MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Archanine]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

So consisering moving Salazar or Kluber with the indians. Kluber due to age and lack of a long term deal, Salazar due to only being able to work 5-6 innings and lack of a long term deal

moving Kluber i would want an elite bat coming back, a 1B or 3B type, Salazar more of a young power hitting OFer or one of the IF corner spots.

would probably consider Kluber trade over Salazar since hes older and Salazar would probably cheaper, plus Kluber can make an argument hes been the best pitcher in the AL over the last 2 and a half years, so he would bring back an MVP type player in a straight up one for one deal.

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

So consisering moving Salazar or Kluber with the indians. Kluber due to age and lack of a long term deal, Salazar due to only being able to work 5-6 innings and lack of a long term deal

moving Kluber i would want an elite bat coming back, a 1B or 3B type, Salazar more of a young power hitting OFer or one of the IF corner spots.

would probably consider Kluber trade over Salazar since hes older and Salazar would probably cheaper, plus Kluber can make an argument hes been the best pitcher in the AL over the last 2 and a half years, so he would bring back an MVP type player in a straight up one for one deal.

I'm confused. What year are you in for your franchise? Kluber is under control through 2021 with his options, and Salazar is under control through 2019. Not sure what you consider long term, but 4 years and 6 years for pitchers is towards the upper end you will see for non-Kershaw types.

[Still2REal]

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I traded Chris Archer for Gallo and Profar before the season started.

Do you guys think I "fleeced" the CPU in real world terms? Not the "Gallo is a guaranteed superstar" Show world?

I'm just trying evaluate our different perspectives

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I traded Chris Archer for Gallo and Profar before the season started.

Do you guys think I "fleeced" the CPU in real world terms? Not the "Gallo is a guaranteed superstar" Show world?

I'm just trying evaluate our different perspectives

No this seems within a reasonable return. Archer has shown a higher ceiling than Ross, and has 6 years of cost effective team control. Ross has 2. I think the discrepancy is between our value of years of control. Teams have just shown that they will pay more for a perceived ace, OR for long term team control. Ross is a very good pitcher but I personally see him just below the ace tier, plus we know his injury IRL and the trading team only gets 2 seasons of him.


Quick tangent: It irks me when people say we can't predict the future, how do you know what a gm will do, etc. And then they will go on to say Gallo will be a bust, or he can't hit .220 (Just using the Gallo example since it was last night. It wasn't the first example and it won't be the last). Just be consistent, no one here claims to be a fortune teller, so don't go after a posters ability to predict the future while also deciding to predict the future.


I do enjoy when we can get an intelligent dialog going about player values and trades and such.

[crques]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

So I started my Braves franchise last night (OSFM Mid Season Roster). I played a few games, but simmed most. I'm currently at June 15 and I'm 22-43 and 20 GB in the division. The Rockies are 29-36 and 13 GB in the West. Inciarte is injured and out 2 months. I'm looking to add an outfield bat for the remainder of the year, and future. What kind of package would be fair for either Blackmon or Gonzalez? Blackmon is batting .322 with 7 homeruns, and Cargo is hitting .330 with 13 homeruns. I don't want to give up Teheran, Freeman, or Swanson...but I'm willing to move anyone else.

[Still2REal]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

No this seems within a reasonable return. Archer has shown a higher ceiling than Ross, and has 6 years of cost effective team control. Ross has 2. I think the discrepancy is between our value of years of control. Teams have just shown that they will pay more for a perceived ace, OR for long term team control. Ross is a very good pitcher but I personally see him just below the ace tier, plus we know his injury IRL and the trading team only gets 2 seasons of him.


Quick tangent: It irks me when people say we can't predict the future, how do you know what a gm will do, etc. And then they will go on to say Gallo will be a bust, or he can't hit .220 (Just using the Gallo example since it was last night. It wasn't the first example and it won't be the last). Just be consistent, no one here claims to be a fortune teller, so don't go after a posters ability to predict the future while also deciding to predict the future.


I do enjoy when we can get an intelligent dialog going about player values and trades and such.

I agree with you 100% on Archer. Just to clear some things up.

1. Archer is more valuable than Ross, but my initial proposal was actually Ross + Norris. 2 proven major leaguer players and at least 2 years of control on both at a position of team need for the Rangers. Also, real world terms and before the season. The basic gist being - Ross for Gallo was not entirely unreasonable at that time.

2. I wasn't saying no one can predict the future or Gallo would be a bust. There is always the "that would never happen crowd" and the "anything can happen" crowd. I only identified several trades that defied the logic being used and pointed out that Gallo was not some surefire prospect with no holes.

In MLB The Show 16 Terms, Gallo is damn near the best prospect on the game. He rarely busts in the simulations I have performed... Which is why I got him too LOL

[KBLover]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I traded Chris Archer for Gallo and Profar before the season started.

Do you guys think I "fleeced" the CPU in real world terms? Not the "Gallo is a guaranteed superstar" Show world?

I'm just trying evaluate our different perspectives

Archer is a 3 WAR and 5 WAR pitcher in last two seasons and has good abilities. Someone needing a pitcher now, I could see making a deal like this, and from an in-game perspective, Archer is a probable ace-level pitcher and still young so will likely improve. So no, both irl and in-game, I wouldn't consider this a "fleecing", especially if the franchise evolves into a hitter haven - Archer would become more valuable and Gallo somewhat less due to rarity (good pitchers became rarer than good hitters).

I will, however, always lean towards in-game. One, that's what you're playing and it doesn't always play out like MLB (Gallo is a great example, especially if he does fall apart irl - I mean in my carryover, Buxton is basically been the best on-paper [ratings] player in baseball for years). Two, that's how the players will respond. They won't progress/decline as in MLB, but as in The Show and it's mechanisms.

The contracts are different. The environment is different. The career arcs are more consistent. Injury history does not matter (unless edited into his durability and/or stamina rating by hand).

That's why I'll always lean towards what's happening in people's own franchises (and agree with folks providing franchise information from the start) and how the players are likely to respond in MLB16. From a practical perspective, it's what's really going to matter going forward to the franchise and the value the teams involved will get.

In MLB The Show 16 Terms, Gallo is damn near the best prospect on the game. He rarely busts in the simulations I have performed... Which is why I got him too LOL

Which is why he should be valued as such, regardless of what the irl Gallo does.

[cubsgocontinental23]

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Hey guys I'm back again at the deadline with my 30 team control franchise. Was hoping to get some input on some of the bigger trades I've been working on:

Indians get:
Carlos Gonzalez(359 AB, .262/.327/.487, 18 HR, 50 RBI, 2.08 WAR)
Rockies get:
Clint Frazier-AA(333 AB, .252/.328/.366, 6 HR, 41 RBI), Francisco Mejia-AA(28 AB, .321/.367/.464, 1 HR, 8 RBI), Shawn Morimando-AA(93.2 IP, 65 BB/58 K, 5.48 ERA, 1.78 WHIP, 5.02 FIP)

Blue Jays get:
Matt Kemp(373 AB, .279/.313/.507, 18 HR, 59 RBI, 17 SB, .3 WAR, 11 Errors due to the stupid game mistakes), 13 M for next 3 years
Padres get:
Sean Reid-Foley-AAA(37 IP, 7.54 ERA, 1.97 WHIP, 31 K, 4.84 FIP), Jorge Flores-AAA(72 AB, .153/.228/.194, 0 HR, 6 RBI)

Rangers get:
Edison Volquez(119.1 IP, 4.37 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 46 BB/103 K, 2.03 WAR, 3.77 FIP)
Royals get:
Josh Morgan-No stats(Single-A), Jose Leclerc-AA(116.2 IP, 4.01 ERA, 1.53 WHIP, 67 BB/114 K, 3.60 FIP), Yohander Mendez-AAA(32.2 IP, 6.06 ERA, 1.59 WHIP, 18 BB/ 27 K, 4.62 FIP)

2 Possibilities for Chapman trade:
D-Backs get:
Aroldis Chapman(31.1 IP, 2.01 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 10 BB/ 49 K, 0.90 WAR, 2.11 FIP)
Yankees get:
Braden Shipley-AAA(124.2 IP, 4.19 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 49 BB/ 108 K, 4.24 FIP), Silvio Bracho-AAA(35.2 IP, 4.04 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, 16 BB/ 27 K, 3.22 FIP), Gabriel Guerrero-AAA(51 AB, .275/.351/.392, 1 HR, 11 RBI)

Rangers get:
Aroldis Chapman
Yankees get:
Lewis Brinson-AAA(175 AB, .200/.314/.326, 5 HR, 23 RBI, 8 SB), Reed Garrett-AA(39 IP, 5.08 ERA, 1.69 WHIP, 24 BB/26 K, 5.21 FIP), Frank Lopez-AA(81.1 IP, 4.87 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 43 BB/68 K, 3.90 FIP)

Twins get:
Logan Forsythe(366 AB, .290/.343/.503, 16 HR, 50 RBI, 1.01 WAR - 14 Errors), Jake Odorizzi(135.2 IP, 3.18 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 37 BB/120 K, 4.01 WAR, 2.64 FIP)
Rays get:
Tyler Jay-AAA(39.2 IP, 24 BB/39 K, 4.76 ERA, 1.74 WHIP, 4.84 FIP), Nick Gordon-AAA(88 AB, .239/.295/.330, 1 HR, 8 RBI), Kohl Stewart-No stats(Single-A), Yorman Landa-No stats(Single-A)

Reasoning:
Cargo Trade: It looks like the Indians are in win now mode as they have come from 14 games under .500 to being 4 back in the division and 1.5 back of the WC. They need need a corner outfielder to replace the lack of production from Lonnie Chisenhall.

Kemp Trade: It's the time of year again where Toronto is in first in the division competing for WS. They desperately need another corner OF to replace the terrible production from both Saunders and Brown. Figured that in some eyes Reid-Foley might be too much but his terrible year and Kemp also hitting the crap out of the ball plus half his contract being paid for, I figured why not.

Volquez trade: The Royals are out of it and the Rangers need pitching with Darvish down. The return is not as big as if he were pitching good but it gives them a young infielder that they need.

Chapman both trades: Yankees are down and wanna get value from him due to his stellar year. Both teams are desperate for a dominant late inning reliever and are both in the hunt for the playoffs.

Odo+Forsythe trade: Dozier is down for two months and the pitching staff has been horrible. they are in the boat as the Indians. I feel like this could be a safe trade for them as Odo could be their number 2 for the future. Rays get back a middle infield stud and a great arm.

Sorry for the really long post guys, I know you typically ignore them. But i'm just kind of in desperation mode right now and wanted to give as much info as possible. Thanks in advance for any input!

[BlueJays09]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Having a bit of a panic. Lost Tulo for 2 months with a broken forearm. I am 34-25 (1.5 games back) on June 7th. I don't want to slip to far down so would like to make a move rather soon. Here are some guys I am eyeing:

1) Aybar - .259, 3 Hr, 21 RBI (216 AB). 0.37 WAR. I could also get Tyler Flowers in the deal (.228, 2hr, 79 AB).

2) Glavis - .245, 2 Hr, 10 RBI (110 AB). 0.80 WAR. Currently in AAA and Crawford is up in the MLB.

3) Cozart - .202, 5 HR, 20 RBI (198 AB). -0.45 WAR. I could Pacheco in the deal (In AAA)

I have Barney starting at SS for now with Goins a backup but I might try and grab one of these guys if possible rather quickly. So it's Aybar+Flowers, Glavis or Cozart+Pacheco.

When tulo gets back the player I get will become a backup as all are UFA next year and can see time at 2B with Travis struggling.

Thanks in advanced


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[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

No this seems within a reasonable return. Archer has shown a higher ceiling than Ross, and has 6 years of cost effective team control. Ross has 2. I think the discrepancy is between our value of years of control. Teams have just shown that they will pay more for a perceived ace, OR for long term team control. Ross is a very good pitcher but I personally see him just below the ace tier, plus we know his injury IRL and the trading team only gets 2 seasons of him.


Quick tangent: It irks me when people say we can't predict the future, how do you know what a gm will do, etc. And then they will go on to say Gallo will be a bust, or he can't hit .220 (Just using the Gallo example since it was last night. It wasn't the first example and it won't be the last). Just be consistent, no one here claims to be a fortune teller, so don't go after a posters ability to predict the future while also deciding to predict the future.


I do enjoy when we can get an intelligent dialog going about player values and trades and such.

What do you mean? Are you not using your crystal ball on these proposals? I always keep my psychic hat near my computer and crystal ball so I can handle some of these posts in a timely manner.

[BlueJays09]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Blue Jays get:
Matt Kemp(373 AB, .279/.313/.507, 18 HR, 59 RBI, 17 SB, .3 WAR, 11 Errors due to the stupid game mistakes), 13 M for next 3 years
Padres get:
Sean Reid-Foley-AAA(37 IP, 7.54 ERA, 1.97 WHIP, 31 K, 4.84 FIP), Jorge Flores-AAA(72 AB, .153/.228/.194, 0 HR, 6 RBI)

I am not a big fan of Kemp, but I might need OF help come the trade deadline in July. I might steal this one from you haha. I was looking at Cargo and Bruce at the moment, but I will keep an eye on Kemp as well.

[CBoller1331]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Hey guys I'm back again at the deadline with my 30 team control franchise. Was hoping to get some input on some of the bigger trades I've been working on:

Indians get:
Carlos Gonzalez(359 AB, .262/.327/.487, 18 HR, 50 RBI, 2.08 WAR)
Rockies get:
Clint Frazier-AA(333 AB, .252/.328/.366, 6 HR, 41 RBI), Francisco Mejia-AA(28 AB, .321/.367/.464, 1 HR, 8 RBI), Shawn Morimando-AA(93.2 IP, 65 BB/58 K, 5.48 ERA, 1.78 WHIP, 5.02 FIP)

Blue Jays get:
Matt Kemp(373 AB, .279/.313/.507, 18 HR, 59 RBI, 17 SB, .3 WAR, 11 Errors due to the stupid game mistakes), 13 M for next 3 years
Padres get:
Sean Reid-Foley-AAA(37 IP, 7.54 ERA, 1.97 WHIP, 31 K, 4.84 FIP), Jorge Flores-AAA(72 AB, .153/.228/.194, 0 HR, 6 RBI)

Rangers get:
Edison Volquez(119.1 IP, 4.37 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 46 BB/103 K, 2.03 WAR, 3.77 FIP)
Royals get:
Josh Morgan-No stats(Single-A), Jose Leclerc-AA(116.2 IP, 4.01 ERA, 1.53 WHIP, 67 BB/114 K, 3.60 FIP), Yohander Mendez-AAA(32.2 IP, 6.06 ERA, 1.59 WHIP, 18 BB/ 27 K, 4.62 FIP)

2 Possibilities for Chapman trade:
D-Backs get:
Aroldis Chapman(31.1 IP, 2.01 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 10 BB/ 49 K, 0.90 WAR, 2.11 FIP)
Yankees get:
Braden Shipley-AAA(124.2 IP, 4.19 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 49 BB/ 108 K, 4.24 FIP), Silvio Bracho-AAA(35.2 IP, 4.04 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, 16 BB/ 27 K, 3.22 FIP), Gabriel Guerrero-AAA(51 AB, .275/.351/.392, 1 HR, 11 RBI)

Rangers get:
Aroldis Chapman
Yankees get:
Lewis Brinson-AAA(175 AB, .200/.314/.326, 5 HR, 23 RBI, 8 SB), Reed Garrett-AA(39 IP, 5.08 ERA, 1.69 WHIP, 24 BB/26 K, 5.21 FIP), Frank Lopez-AA(81.1 IP, 4.87 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 43 BB/68 K, 3.90 FIP)

Twins get:
Logan Forsythe(366 AB, .290/.343/.503, 16 HR, 50 RBI, 1.01 WAR - 14 Errors), Jake Odorizzi(135.2 IP, 3.18 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 37 BB/120 K, 4.01 WAR, 2.64 FIP)
Rays get:
Tyler Jay-AAA(39.2 IP, 24 BB/39 K, 4.76 ERA, 1.74 WHIP, 4.84 FIP), Nick Gordon-AAA(88 AB, .239/.295/.330, 1 HR, 8 RBI), Kohl Stewart-No stats(Single-A), Yorman Landa-No stats(Single-A)

1. Cargo deal looks pretty good. Some may call it an overpay, but i think there will be some teams willing to overpay for his bat.

2. Kemp deal is alright....but given the way both prospects are struggling, Im not sure if theyd do it. I think you could probably switch out one of them for a lesser prospect who is playing a little better.

3. Volquez trade looks good. Also might be an overpay, just cause its a 3 for 1 and Volquez isn't pitching great, but if the Rangers are desperate for another arm its not out of the question.

4. I don't think the Rangers would give up Brinson for 3 months of Chapman.

5. Don't think you need both Gordon and Jay in the Twins deal. Take one of them out and its probably good.

[cubsgocontinental23]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

1. Cargo deal looks pretty good. Some may call it an overpay, but i think there will be some teams willing to overpay for his bat.

2. Kemp deal is alright....but given the way both prospects are struggling, Im not sure if theyd do it. I think you could probably switch out one of them for a lesser prospect who is playing a little better.

3. Volquez trade looks good. Also might be an overpay, just cause its a 3 for 1 and Volquez isn't pitching great, but if the Rangers are desperate for another arm its not out of the question.

4. I don't think the Rangers would give up Brinson for 3 months of Chapman.

5. Don't think you need both Gordon and Jay in the Twins deal. Take one of them out and its probably good.

For the kemp deal I'm controlling the Padres as my main team so I have no real problem with Reid-Foley's negative production.

I was thinking the same thing about the rangers-chapman deal, how do you feel about the D-backs deal?

[CBoller1331]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I was thinking the same thing about the rangers-chapman deal, how do you feel about the D-backs deal?

I think its better, I don't really know enough about the DBacks system to fairly value all those guys though.

[Jason27]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Hey guys I'm back again at the deadline with my 30 team control franchise. Was hoping to get some input on some of the bigger trades I've been working on:

Indians get:
Carlos Gonzalez(359 AB, .262/.327/.487, 18 HR, 50 RBI, 2.08 WAR)
Rockies get:
Clint Frazier-AA(333 AB, .252/.328/.366, 6 HR, 41 RBI), Francisco Mejia-AA(28 AB, .321/.367/.464, 1 HR, 8 RBI), Shawn Morimando-AA(93.2 IP, 65 BB/58 K, 5.48 ERA, 1.78 WHIP, 5.02 FIP)

Blue Jays get:
Matt Kemp(373 AB, .279/.313/.507, 18 HR, 59 RBI, 17 SB, .3 WAR, 11 Errors due to the stupid game mistakes), 13 M for next 3 years
Padres get:
Sean Reid-Foley-AAA(37 IP, 7.54 ERA, 1.97 WHIP, 31 K, 4.84 FIP), Jorge Flores-AAA(72 AB, .153/.228/.194, 0 HR, 6 RBI)

Rangers get:
Edison Volquez(119.1 IP, 4.37 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 46 BB/103 K, 2.03 WAR, 3.77 FIP)
Royals get:
Josh Morgan-No stats(Single-A), Jose Leclerc-AA(116.2 IP, 4.01 ERA, 1.53 WHIP, 67 BB/114 K, 3.60 FIP), Yohander Mendez-AAA(32.2 IP, 6.06 ERA, 1.59 WHIP, 18 BB/ 27 K, 4.62 FIP)

2 Possibilities for Chapman trade:
D-Backs get:
Aroldis Chapman(31.1 IP, 2.01 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 10 BB/ 49 K, 0.90 WAR, 2.11 FIP)
Yankees get:
Braden Shipley-AAA(124.2 IP, 4.19 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 49 BB/ 108 K, 4.24 FIP), Silvio Bracho-AAA(35.2 IP, 4.04 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, 16 BB/ 27 K, 3.22 FIP), Gabriel Guerrero-AAA(51 AB, .275/.351/.392, 1 HR, 11 RBI)

Rangers get:
Aroldis Chapman
Yankees get:
Lewis Brinson-AAA(175 AB, .200/.314/.326, 5 HR, 23 RBI, 8 SB), Reed Garrett-AA(39 IP, 5.08 ERA, 1.69 WHIP, 24 BB/26 K, 5.21 FIP), Frank Lopez-AA(81.1 IP, 4.87 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 43 BB/68 K, 3.90 FIP)

Twins get:
Logan Forsythe(366 AB, .290/.343/.503, 16 HR, 50 RBI, 1.01 WAR - 14 Errors), Jake Odorizzi(135.2 IP, 3.18 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 37 BB/120 K, 4.01 WAR, 2.64 FIP)
Rays get:
Tyler Jay-AAA(39.2 IP, 24 BB/39 K, 4.76 ERA, 1.74 WHIP, 4.84 FIP), Nick Gordon-AAA(88 AB, .239/.295/.330, 1 HR, 8 RBI), Kohl Stewart-No stats(Single-A), Yorman Landa-No stats(Single-A)

Reasoning:
Cargo Trade: It looks like the Indians are in win now mode as they have come from 14 games under .500 to being 4 back in the division and 1.5 back of the WC. They need need a corner outfielder to replace the lack of production from Lonnie Chisenhall.

Kemp Trade: It's the time of year again where Toronto is in first in the division competing for WS. They desperately need another corner OF to replace the terrible production from both Saunders and Brown. Figured that in some eyes Reid-Foley might be too much but his terrible year and Kemp also hitting the crap out of the ball plus half his contract being paid for, I figured why not.

Volquez trade: The Royals are out of it and the Rangers need pitching with Darvish down. The return is not as big as if he were pitching good but it gives them a young infielder that they need.

Chapman both trades: Yankees are down and wanna get value from him due to his stellar year. Both teams are desperate for a dominant late inning reliever and are both in the hunt for the playoffs.

Odo+Forsythe trade: Dozier is down for two months and the pitching staff has been horrible. they are in the boat as the Indians. I feel like this could be a safe trade for them as Odo could be their number 2 for the future. Rays get back a middle infield stud and a great arm.

Sorry for the really long post guys, I know you typically ignore them. But i'm just kind of in desperation mode right now and wanted to give as much info as possible. Thanks in advance for any input!

I love the CarGo trade for both teams involved