MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[redsox4evur]

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Remember Craig Kimbrel? That's Miller's value. Not hilarious at all.

So then Miller's value is Frazier AND Zimmer not just one, right? Because Kimbrel returned Margot and Guerra who are 39 & 49 respectively.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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So then Miller's value is Frazier AND Zimmer not just one, right? Because Kimbrel returned Margot and Guerra who are 39 & 49 respectively.

No because both Frazier and Zimmer are more highly regarded than Margot and Guerra were/are. As much as I hate people using these bins to decide everything...Frazier is in the Top 20-25 range. Zimmer is not far behind him. The midseason BA Top 100 has Frazier #21 and Zimmer #26. Margot is #39 and Guerra (who has stunk it up this year) is way down to #87 although he was higher at the time of the trade.

So, by that logic, Frazier + Zimmer would be a pretty massive overpay. I think you need one of them, however.

[NDAlum]

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In 2018 the White Sox need to rebuild. I want to blow their team up at the ASB as they are tied for the worst record in baseball (40-65). They need to ship out Sale/Abreu for pieces.

Sale (29 yrs old 93 ovr A POT with $36M owed over next 4.5 seasons...WTF how did they pull this off?)
2018 stats: 145 IP 176 K 38 BB 2.92 ERA 1.16 WHIP 4 CG 3 SHO 4.01 WAR
He's been durable and has at least 208.2 IP over last 3 seasons. He's a true #1 ace with several more years of excellence

Abreu (31 yrs old 86 ovr B POT with $40M owed over next 3.5 seasons...a bargain)
2018 stats: .286/.336/.531 with 24 HR 54 RBI 1.94 WAR
He's played in at least 145 gms in all 4 MLB seasons and is coming off two great years averaging 40 HR 110 RBI

Available suitors for Sale:
Pittsburgh Pirates seem like the best fit

Would this work for Sale
SP Tyler Glasnow (24 76 ovr A pot)
SP Josh Winters (23 64 ovr A pot - drafted player)
3B Ke'Bryan Hayes (21 66 B pot)
CF Austin Meadows (22 68 B pot)

Teams for Abreu:
Washington Nationals, St. Louis Cardinals, San Francisco Giants, Toronto Blue Jays

Nationlals potential deal:
***Don't have pieces unless Giolito is involved***

St. Louis Cardinals for Abreu:
SP Alex Reyes (23 76 ovr A pot)
SS Delvin Perez (20 67 ovr A pot)
3B William Chen (20 68 ovr B pot - drafted player)

Giants don't have pieces

Blue Jays
CF Anthony Alford (22 75 ovr A pot)
SP Sean Reid-Foley (21 71 ovr B pot)

Thoughts?

[Archanine]

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Remember Craig Kimbrel? That's Miller's value. Not hilarious at all.

Kimbrel has also been better for a longer period of time and is a natural closer. light years more value all around.

[Archanine]

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So then Miller's value is Frazier AND Zimmer not just one, right? Because Kimbrel returned Margot and Guerra who are 39 & 49 respectively.

and Frazier and Zimmer are both top 25-30 prospects.

[Archanine]

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Buster Olney says Indians and Brewers are talling about Lucroy/Smith. what do the Brewers need? dont think the indians will send out Frazier, Bradley or Aiken in this type of deal either, though.

[redsox4evur]

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Buster Olney says Indians and Brewers are talling about Lucroy/Smith. what do the Brewers need? dont think the indians will send out Frazier, Bradley or Aiken in this type of deal either, though.

They will send out AT LEAST one of Frazier, Bradley or Aiken in most any deal they make this trade deadline. As much as you and I dislike it the Pomeranz deal is going to set the market and it's a seller's market. Lucroy is the best available catcher and dare I say the best bat available.

Edit: Random question what are your thought's on Michael Brantley?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Buster Olney says Indians and Brewers are talling about Lucroy/Smith. what do the Brewers need? dont think the indians will send out Frazier, Bradley or Aiken in this type of deal either, though.

Then they aren't getting Lucroy/Smith. I can't say it enough that value has to go out to get value. Lucroy is on a 4 WAR pace. So just this season thats something like $28 million in surplus value. Plus if he does that next year thats another $26.8. So before Smith is added we are sitting at $54.8 in surplus value which is extremely close to the value of a hitter ranked #11-25.

Once you tack on Smith it would take one of Zimmer or Frazier plus additional prospects

[Archanine]

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They will send out AT LEAST one of Frazier, Bradley or Aiken in most any deal they make this trade deadline. As much as you and I dislike it the Pomeranz deal is going to set the market and it's a seller's market. Lucroy is the best available catcher and dare I say the best bat available.

lol no they wont. but good try though. as much as you want to feel better about the boston trade, it wont in any way shape or form set the market, it was just dumbrowski getting desprite again.

indians have needed a solid feilding power hitting 3B for like 2 decades now and turned down a deal.witht he reds for Todd Frazier because the Reds wanted Zimmer or Frazier as the headliner

theres an incredibly low chance Frazier is anything but an indian after TDL, same with Bradley and Aiken. and i think its crazy people think the indians have to give up these guys like they dont have a great farm system, despite the fact the indians had what 8 guys in BA mid season top 100 prospect list? but sure, a team is going to turn down 3 top 100 prospects because they werent one of the indians top 4, all because one GM made a very bad deal value wise.

yeah, wont happen.

[Archanine]

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Then they aren't getting Lucroy/Smith. I can't say it enough that value has to go out to get value. Lucroy is on a 4 WAR pace. So just this season thats something like $28 million in surplus value. Plus if he does that next year thats another $26.8. So before Smith is added we are sitting at $54.8 in surplus value which is extremely close to the value of a hitter ranked #11-25.

Once you tack on Smith it would take one of Zimmer or Frazier plus additional prospects

good thing i never said a trade wouldnt inolve Zimmer, which is alao the second time youve missed that btw.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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lol no they wont. but good try though. as much as you want to feel better about the boston trade, it wont in any way shape or form set the market, it was just dumbrowski getting desprite again.

indians have needed a solid feilding power hitting 3B for like 2 decades now and turned down a deal.witht he reds for Todd Frazier because the Reds wanted Zimmer or Frazier as the headliner

theres an incredibly low chance Frazier is anything but an indian after TDL, same with Bradley and Aiken. and i think its crazy people think the indians have to give up these guys like they dont have a great farm system, despite the fact the indians had what 8 guys in BA mid season top 100 prospect list? but sure, a team is going to turn down 3 top 100 prospects because they werent one of the indians top 4, all because one GM made a very bad deal value wise.

yeah, wont happen.

Thanks for this post. I didn't realize you worked in the Cleveland front office.

Also most agree the Pomeranz/Espinoza deal was fair value

[Archanine]

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If the Indians threw out say Zimmer, Meija, Sheffield, And a guy like Hillman, the Brewers GM would lose his job the second the phone hang up.

[Archanine]

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Thanks for this post. I didn't realize you worked in the Cleveland front office.

Also most agree the Pomeranz/Espinoza deal was fair value

nobody outsode of Dumbrowski fans find it as good value. i saw je was still getting ripped on mlb network this morning or yesterday

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Anyone else getting the sense that our argumentative, multiply-banned Indians fan friend is back? lol. Has all the hallmarks...a know-it-all that just joined and is starting to throw shade...It always starts with "everyone on the Indians is more valuable than they really are" then devolves from there.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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nobody outsode of Dumbrowski fans find it as good value. i saw je was still getting ripped on mlb network this morning or yesterday

I'm not a Dombrowski fan. I thought it was fair value. AC thought it was fair value. There is enough risk in an 18 year old pitcher in A ball that mitigates the ceiling with a trade. Fangraphs has articles about how it was fair value. But sure if whoever MLB Network had on TV said it was bad it must be bad.

This is a SELLER'S market. Brewers don't have to trade Lucroy. That means they can get an absurd amount of talent back. And the Indians aren't the Sox, Braves, Rangers or Dodgers, they have a solid system but no one outside of you I guess thinks their system is elite.

Now that you mention that it does sound like our old friend...