MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Gameplay, Animations & Retro-Mode Deep Dive

[MauerMorneau09]

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Agree with the pitching deliveries, they've seem to have been really non-nonchalant the past few years. I thought the deliveries from MLB 09-11 were spot on. After that it became too obvious that the same guy was doing all of the new deliveries. There was some quirk with his stepback and his leg kick that made them look pretty similar.

[scobb1972]

You are welcome!

Are we going to get the flags at Progressive Field updated? Already sent Ramone a picture and I'm sure its an easy fix. Know he stated a WIP, so that I understand. Did also send Ramone a link to an article about the Indians and the Cleveland landmark, the Terminal Tower but he told me it was probably too late to add to 17, since it's never been in the game. But one can only hope it's not too late. If they could add to Target Field before release, why not a Cleveland landmark.

[Artman22]

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I agree 100% with you on the pitching. The arm just doesn't have that exploding factor after they release the ball, it doesn't whip to the side with speed or momentum.



As for the graphics I don't think the show will get any better then this, apart from slight improvements. They've been using an in-house engine meant for the ps3 and have only been upgrading it, doing so will only take you so far. If we want The Show to be on par or surpass other sports games in the graphics department they would have to use a different engine like the other sports games have done.



I think it would be best if SDS uses another 1st party studios engine rather then building one from scratch (as it takes too much time and resources to make a brand new engine).



I would say the Killzone/Horizon/Death Stranding engine would be the best choice to replace the current engine being used.

I'm starting to think this is most likely the reason. They're still running on an older PS3 graphics engine. If you look at some of the players faces and skin textures they look very PS3 like. I'd be nice to see if maybe for the pro version they show us something better or at least they're working on something better for future MLB the show titles.


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[Bondsfan]

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I was disappointed in the stream. For a "new gameplay" stream, this is where in past years you would hear about new batting mechanics or new pitching mechanics. Instead, we heard about new throwing animations which I would venture that 95% of the people to play this game would not even recognize if they weren't pointed out. And retro mode which I would bet that the vast majority of the people that will buy the game will not be interested in playing. Lastly the catcher throwing meter on stolen bases. This is essentially the big new game-play mechanic.

All in all, I get it. The game has essentially peaked creatively. There's just not much more that they can perfect on in terms of core game-play. They can improve the ball physics, the hit types, the animations, but seeing a major change to the way we play the game with batting or pitching is over. And unfortunately that makes the game feel a little bit stale.

I don't blame the developers. I can't think of any major changes I'd make off the top of my head either. I'm just saying, each year is starting to feel an awful lot like the previous year, and it's starting to feel quite a bit like a "roster update" release.

I do think that since there isn't much to improve upon gameplay, at least anything revolutionary, then hopefully they put the focus on game modes like RTTS and Franchise. I get that Diamond Dynasty is huge for them, but many people only play RTTS and Franchise and those modes haven't changed much for years. I really hope they've made big changes in those modes to make this game actually feel next gen, because otherwise it still seems like the same game from the PS3 era with better graphics and better animation.

[knich]

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Jersey sleeves definitely look improved

I just hope they fixed the graphics glitch where players without long sleeves have tattered uniform. The only time you don't see this problem is when you play with tight camera view.

It fells like a gimmick to me because it is not something that helps the game to play a better more realistic game or that gives more control options or camera options.


I don't think people think ps4 has unlimited graphic and computing power. The problem is last gen mlb the show was by far the best looking game and now it is far behind NBA 2k and NHL and even behind madden when it comes to just graphics and mlb out side of its lighting hardly looks better then it did on ps3. There are a lot of other games/franchises where the jump from ps3 to ps4 or from xbox360 to xboxone was much bigger then the graphic jump of the show on ps3 to ps4.

Unfortunately, NHL 17's player models are NOT next gen. So MLB and NHL are very similar here. Also, with NHL there are only ten guys on the ice and the arenas are largely the same with slight variation. I think the graphics in NHL are woefully behind NBA, Fifa and NFL as well. Too bad.

[Adam_SDS]

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Are we going to get the flags at Progressive Field updated? Already sent Ramone a picture and I'm sure its an easy fix. Know he stated a WIP, so that I understand.

Might be too late to try to get the new flags, as it wasn't pointed out that they were wrong until the stream/vlog this week.

[Smallville102001]

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I just hope they fixed the graphics glitch where players without long sleeves have tattered uniform. The only time you don't see this problem is when you play with tight camera view.



Unfortunately, NHL 17's player models are NOT next gen. So MLB and NHL are very similar here. Also, with NHL there are only ten guys on the ice and the arenas are largely the same with slight variation. I think the graphics in NHL are woefully behind NBA, Fifa and NFL as well. Too bad.

NBA has like by far the best graphics when it comes to the 4 major sports video games this gen but I disagree about NHL. NHL guys faces look photo realistic at times. The show not so much. I also hate when people say the thing about having only so many players at one time like you said about the NHL game compared to mlb because it just sounds like a excuse to me and it didn't stop mlb from having the best graphics last gen. If the amount of players and arenas was the reason then why did that not impact the show last gen?

Masahiro Tanaka 2016 Highlights

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Masahiro Tanaka Pitching [and rosin bag] - (PSVita Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2012)

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Masahiro Tanaka Pitching - (PS4 MLB 15 The Show)

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The Show's pitching motions still do not exude power(strength). Never change~~

Wow I never noticed this before this videos thinks lol.

[strawberryshortcake]

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Masahiro Tanaka 2016 Highlights

Spoiler

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Masahiro Tanaka Pitching [and rosin bag] - (PSVita Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2012)

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Masahiro Tanaka Pitching - (PS4 MLB 15 The Show)

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The Show's pitching motions still do not exude power(strength). Never change~~

I made a post about this last year. I skipped several iteration of the show but bought MLB 16 because I wanted to do a side by side comparison with video game and real life starting pitchers, relievers, and closers, but unfortunately, I never got around to it. One day...

Anytime an object moves extremely fast, there should be a lot of motion blur. MLB The Show, on the other hand, chooses to capture each frame entirely too clean and that's simply not how motion works. This is one reason why Tanaka's pitch (including the majority pitchers) in MLB the Show looks as if it's in slow motion, seemingly as if it's very calculated and clinical so to speak.

Pro Yakyuu does a tremendous job replicating the art (the kinesiology) of pitching, fielding and hitting. The first time I've ever come across PYS's youtube footage, I had to do multiple takes to determine if it was real life footage or gameplay footage.

[Caulfield]

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Masahiro Tanaka Pitching [and rosin bag] - (PSVita Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2012)

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That does look awesome, yet its still too arcadey for my tastes.

[scobb1972]

Might be too late to try to get the new flags, as it wasn't pointed out that they were wrong until the stream/vlog this week.

I am sure when 16 came out, SDS received a lot of complaints about the Progressive Field flags being wrong, I was one of them. When 15 was released, a lot of Indians fans were upset that the renovations weren't included and fixed for 16. Please don't disappoint us again.

[viperman240]

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Masahiro Tanaka 2016 Highlights

Spoiler

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Masahiro Tanaka Pitching [and rosin bag] - (PSVita Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2012)

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Masahiro Tanaka Pitching - (PS4 MLB 15 The Show)

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The Show's pitching motions still do not exude power(strength). Never change~~

Another thing your video points out indirectly is the body proportions of Tanaka. When comparing the real life footage to pro yakyuu spirits his body looks correct, Tanaka has the correct torso/leg with the correct height/width. But if you were to compare The Show to either the real life footage or pro yakyuu spirits, Tanaka just looks off, as if he has the body of a boy not a man.

I've already pointed this out a while back in another post so I'll try not to repeat myself on this. I just hope they fix the body proportions in this game as it just looks off to me.

[kennyacid]

I can't wait for the day when gameplay surpasses pro baseball spirits. That game just does so much right on the gameplay side.

[PVarck31]

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Might be too late to try to get the new flags, as it wasn't pointed out that they were wrong until the stream/vlog this week.

I definitely pointed out the flags being wrong last year in either the stadium thread or maybe on the Show website forums.

If you can't get this fixed this year can you please make sure the Indians wear red socks. I know a ton of us would really appreciate that.

[Armor and Sword]

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Boy I can not WAIT for the moment when they tell us that they have put back regular season stats for the batter EACH time they come to the plate. Rather then only showing their stats for that particular day.

No confirmation.....but based on feedback from our community I am 99.9% certain it will be back.

[cutler6]

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I definitely pointed out the flags being wrong last year in either the stadium thread or maybe on the Show website forums.

If you can't get this fixed this year can you please make sure the Indians wear red socks. I know a ton of us would really appreciate that.

I also noticed that the Progressive Field logo is still missing on the backstop.