MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Gameplay, Animations & Retro-Mode Deep Dive

[jaybizzle80]

Different year same OS :-) lol

• Retro mode camera is available in the regular game
• Catcher throw meter is still being tuned not finished by any means. Streaming a game that's not done knock knock.
• We are in crunch, it's not easy to pull people away from their day-to-day to do these streams
• Bunting, we didn't realize until after the stream, but we had fastballs down the middle on. So yeah bunting is way easier with every fastball down the middle. Anyway it's been worked on a lot you'll see more Wednesday. And that's the beauty of streaming an unfinished game, we worked on it a lot then streamed and found something else to tune which you'll see on Wednesday.
• Graphics, WIP same as every year look at the first stream or vlog from any year then reference it with the last one.
• Graphics............13th.............:-)

Ramone, I know what you're saying about throwing fastballs down to the middle during the stream but if I have a 3-2 count to Contreas(who has a 32 bunt rating) and want to throw him a fastball, how can a batter like that just lay down a perfect bunt down the 3rd base line?

[CoiaNY]

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I actually was thinking it'll only refer to how the grass reacts when the ball lands/rolls on it. Which, who cares about that if it looks 2D, low-res and gaudy from every gameplay angle.

Haha my thoughts exactly. I can't wait for the presentation stream..

[ryanmc564]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Gameplay, Animations & Retro-Mode Deep Dive

Nick is a White Sox fan.

I find that to be pretty damning.

still better than being a cubs fan. lol

[mrCPUgeek]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Gameplay, Animations & Retro-Mode Deep Dive

Anyone else notice in the pause menu the "Quick Manage" option? Makes me think we may have finally gotten a text-based manage mode similar to the ones from the old MVP games. This would be an awesome quick way to get through more games in Franchise!

That would be superb. 162 games is a haul, but I hate simming, you feel disconnected.

What a find breakfastcat!!!

Whatever that is, if it makes playing out a 162 game season better than just simming the games, I'm all on board!

[Stolm]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Gameplay, Animations & Retro-Mode Deep Dive

game-pacing (specifically auto-skipping whatever remains of real-time presentation, catcher throwing the ball back to the pitcher, batter stepping out and preparing for the next pitch, etc.) seems worse than ever. like if there's not a pitch every 2.6 seconds it just can't be fun. foh. baseball has a very specific pace that allows for contemplation, reflection & strategy-mining between pitches. will not buy if it's yet another year where this is totally ignored.

This has been my biggest complaint for years. The pacing was completely ruined when they started forcing skips of the batter's box presentations.

At-Bats are just completely rushed along at breakneck speed, and don't represent the sport at all. I find myself constantly calling for time-outs which isn't realistic, and is an immersion killer.

I thought with the introduction of Fast-Play and Quick Counts, we would be given back the option to play at a normal pace, but the devs only seem to want to introduce options that speed the game up, and have been moving away from a realistic presentation experience every year.

[SilverBullet1929]

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Did anyone else feel having the current player models in the retro mode was weird? Even with the filter on the players look and move too smoothly for the retro mode. This probably can't be done this year and that's understandable but if retro mode stays in I kinda want player models to look as close to the way they did when I was a kid as possible. Right now retro mode looks old school with the field and the on screen graphics but the player models are not old school.

Also I hope throwback uniforms are usable in retro mode.

Edit: This is what I have in mind, hopefully down the line it's possible. I'd enjoy this more in retro mode...

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Finally some more people coming out and speaking up about the graphics. I personally am talking about the player graphics specifically when I refer to graphics. Boxy shoulders, no variety in body types, no variety in uniforms (tight, baggy, shorter sleeves etc). Stadium graphics are good, so are the crowds. The players themselves lack that PS4 look. Who ever mentioned earlier and quoted me that Madden and NBA 2K player models are not better is absolutely wrong. Those two games are ahead of the Show player models by at least 3 years.

We got the message the first dozen times you posted this...And I am one of those who agree that the models could use some re-working. Making the same post over and over and over gets you typecast and ignored, if not eventually banned. FYI

still better than being a cubs fan. lol

I don't get it...What's wrong with root root rooting for the World Champion Chicago Cubs?

[SilverBullet1929]

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This has been my biggest complaint for years. The pacing was completely ruined when they started forcing skips of the batter's box presentations.

At-Bats are just completely rushed along at breakneck speed, and don't represent the sport at all. I find myself constantly calling for time-outs which isn't realistic, and is an immersion killer.

I thought with the introduction of Fast-Play and Quick Counts, we would be given back the option to play at a normal pace, but the devs only seem to want to introduce options that speed the game up, and have been moving away from a realistic presentation experience every year.

Pace of play bro. Rob Manfred is secretly on the SCEA development team.

[Spokker]

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Pace of play bro. Rob Manfred is secretly on the SCEA development team.

Wait until they start putting a runner on 2nd to start every extra inning. Yuck.

[SilverBullet1929]

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Wait until they start putting a runner on 2nd to start every extra inning. Yuck.

God don't get me started on that. That's arguably cheating to me.

[kehlis]

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Wait until they start putting a runner on 2nd to start every extra inning. Yuck.

God don't get me started on that. That's arguably cheating to me.

Let's not discuss that in this thread, if you would like to discuss it it's being discussed in the MLB Off Topic thread.

[Jeffrey Smith]

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Hope with the new physics we don't see so many comebackers to the mound.

[TheCaesar99]

Yea I don't agree here either. The biggest issue honestly has been the player models and uniforms looking boxy. I know everyone cares about different aspects but for me graphics/player models have been disgraceful. Madden and NBA2K have wayyy better player models

I'll add Fifa too with better player models. It's a shame really, The Show used to be probably the best looking sports video game on PS3, but since the PS4 debut they've fallen well behind. I count myself as another gamer who appreciates good graphics too, it's very important to me personally.

[Factzzz]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Gameplay, Animations & Retro-Mode Deep Dive

Obviously graphics are an issue here or we wouldn't be talking about them yet again before a new release. I've been gaming a LONG time and my experience has generally been that when a developer releases basically an updated game with the same engine for 2 or 3 years, they are working on something fresh for the future. Graphics wise, the MLB The show team clearly are going to go with this engine for as long a they can. The game is good, and even great. But it's stuck right now. Maybe we need to push them harder on this. Let them know that this does matter.

I feel like they must have felt the push because the developers read this message board, and the graphics, specifically player models, has probably been the biggest complaint over the past couple years.

I agree player models could have an update, I dont necessarily mind it as I would rather see the new ball physics then waving jerseys again to each their own and I hope those guys get what they want eventually as well.

One thing I don't get though is comparing between NBA's models and the shows, NBA has 12 guys on a team instead of a 25 man roster plus minors(yes not all minors as default rosters have many randomly generated) and the arenas are different but not to the extreme MLB stadiums can be. It seems like more time can be spent on NBA player models especially details. MLB players are always being introduced during the season as well which doesn't happen as much in the NBA either.

Again i agree for an update just don't see how that comparison can have much merit.

That didn't stop them from having the best graphics on ps3 though. The Show's graphics on ps3 were 10x better than 2k.

2k just took the next step when ps4 was introduced, the Show hasn't, at least in terms of player models.

I said the very first year the ps4 was introduced and the Show came out, that people were going to complain about the player models not being changed, and people were going to say the game looked the same as every other year until they did something about the player models.

If they were going to do something drastic, the year to do it was when the ps4 first came out (like 2k did), it looks like they're going to ride out with these player models for awhile now, so i don't get my expectations up.

It's a shame, because the graphics otherwise are actually really good, better than most games. The stadium graphics, crowd graphics, pretty much everything. The grass and infield could use some work. As well as the problems with uniforms such as the colours and piping problems, but that's not necessarily "graphics," seems more like human error.

But I will say this, if what i thought i saw in the trailer was true, and Jake Arrieta's jersey sleeves looked different and his biceps looked bigger, then that will at least help the situation if they're making improvements to uniform fit and giving more options in that sense. Things like that might not be in the build used in the earlier streams.

So hopefully they have some nice surprises up their sleeves for the graphics stream.

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Jersey sleeves definitely look improved

[strawberryshortcake]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Gameplay, Animations & Retro-Mode Deep Dive

Strictly watching the stream ...

Unfortunately, what I'm most disappointed in is the team not removing animations that simply doesn't fit (and secondly, implementing new animations that looks awkward). More animations added annually is great, but if the ones that sticks out (fielding*, pitching*, etc.) doesn't get redone or completely removed, to me it simply overshadows the work that was done for 17'.

*fielding: outfielder throwing the ball back into the infield; the way the first baseman cocks his arm way above his head to start tossing the ball around the horn; the way the third baseman starts the double play. Immediately after an out, the fielders sort of come to a complete semi-motionless stop for a split second.

*pitching: the pitcher's follow through is still rather slow. The whip of the arm still doesn't exude power, force, strength. Pitcher's whole body follow through doesn't "fall" with proper momentum. Pitching is a whole body motion, and visually it's simply missing that element.

I'll keep tab on 17's info and based on what I've seen, I'll hold off on another year. Happy for those that will enjoy the game, but I'll see if 18' fixes my concerns.