MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[BetteRedthnDead]

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Okay, CPU trade time. Want to see if I should let this one stand. My standards for letting it stand are as follows: "does this make sense and seem somewhat plausible?" I'm not concerned about moves being made early in the season, IF it makes sense for both organizations. Let me know what you think of this one.

Orioles are four games back in the East after one month. They get SP Patrick Corbin (82 OVR, 2.21 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 9.34 K/9, one year left of ARB) from ARI. He becomes the ace immediately. ARI left with one solid starting pitcher in Greinke and a bunch of question marks.

Zona, 9-21 and not looking at stellar comeback odds, gets 2B Jonathan Schoop (79 OVR, .303/.354/.526, 5 HR, two years left of ARB) from BAL. Arizona's second baseman before, Brandon Drury, is hitting on the interstate, and this move will almost certainly push him to a backup role. Schoop has an extra year of team control, and they may decide to cash in this summer and flip him for prospects if the season turns ugly. Baltimore's rookie second baseman Sean Coyle (72 OVR, .250 with 3 HR in 32 ABs) becomes the starter.

So two major pieces of overperformance are swapping places here, patching up weaknesses but creating new ones. Is it realistic for Baltimore to give up Schoop to go get an arm? Is the probably-out-of-it Zona willing to sacrifice a big piece of their rotation to get an effective bat that they may be flipping later? This is a tough call for me. I'm not concerned about the timing of the deal. I just want to know if you think this is a deal I can safely let slide from a commissioner's perspective.


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I am of the opinion that a trade like that could happen in real life. It may not make complete sense, but I think that keeps things interesting. This doesn't seem too dissimilar from the Walker/Segura trade AZ & SEA executed last off-season. Probably better comparisons but you get my drift.

[sc050610]

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Okay, CPU trade time. Want to see if I should let this one stand. My standards for letting it stand are as follows: "does this make sense and seem somewhat plausible?" I'm not concerned about moves being made early in the season, IF it makes sense for both organizations. Let me know what you think of this one.

Orioles are four games back in the East after one month. They get SP Patrick Corbin (82 OVR, 2.21 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 9.34 K/9, one year left of ARB) from ARI. He becomes the ace immediately. ARI left with one solid starting pitcher in Greinke and a bunch of question marks.

Zona, 9-21 and not looking at stellar comeback odds, gets 2B Jonathan Schoop (79 OVR, .303/.354/.526, 5 HR, two years left of ARB) from BAL. Arizona's second baseman before, Brandon Drury, is hitting on the interstate, and this move will almost certainly push him to a backup role. Schoop has an extra year of team control, and they may decide to cash in this summer and flip him for prospects if the season turns ugly. Baltimore's rookie second baseman Sean Coyle (72 OVR, .250 with 3 HR in 32 ABs) becomes the starter.

So two major pieces of overperformance are swapping places here, patching up weaknesses but creating new ones. Is it realistic for Baltimore to give up Schoop to go get an arm? Is the probably-out-of-it Zona willing to sacrifice a big piece of their rotation to get an effective bat that they may be flipping later? This is a tough call for me. I'm not concerned about the timing of the deal. I just want to know if you think this is a deal I can safely let slide from a commissioner's perspective.


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This is strictly a fan perspective that follows this organization everyday. They wouldn't trade Schoop, especially considering its still pretty early in the season and they are in it. If anything, they would trade what few prospects they have left before they deal anyone from the major league roster.

With that being said, I think the value matches up well though as whatever positive WAR Schoop gains offensively he quickly loses it because of his poor defense.

[Beastboy2335]

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I'm in need of a few team ideas for a tear down and rebuild. KC, Toronto, and Baltimore are off limits as well as Detroit. I could use a few teams and the players to build around on them

[sc050610]

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I'm in need of a few team ideas for a tear down and rebuild. KC, Toronto, and Baltimore are off limits as well as Detroit. I could use a few teams and the players to build around on them

Follow the rumors that are out there now.

KC: Trade most of the free agents to be like Hosmer, Mustakas, and probably Herrera.

TOR: Trade Donaldson. Not sure they would part with a Stroman yet unless they get overwhelmed with an offer.

BAL: Trade Britton to the Dodgers or Nats, Trade Brach to whoever doesn't get Britton. Trade Welington Castillo. Maybe approach a Machado trade if they are really bad.

DET: Trade JD Martinez, and wait and see what happens with Verlander in real life. In the game, I think it will tough to do a Verlander trade because of budgets. Cabrera is basically untradable because of his contract.

Will need more information though like standings who is contending and who isn't. Also, stats of players.

[rjackson]

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I'm guessing yes.

Feels like all the trades outside of the Quintana deal have gotten pretty underwhelming returns. Market seems to be pretty bare right now if you're a seller.

Just for fun, I put in the real trade that happened and the AI logic would barely agree to it. The CPU views Mateo as a more difficult get. I would give up the same (Frazier, Kahnle, DRob) and only get him. I have time to decide how I'll go about it but I think that might be an option.

[rjackson]

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I'm in need of a few team ideas for a tear down and rebuild. KC, Toronto, and Baltimore are off limits as well as Detroit. I could use a few teams and the players to build around on them

Are you asking for a suggestion on which team to play a franchise with?

[Pirates0515]

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I know this is a trade thread but here me out. Lets just say that I'm the Pirates and want to addd Verlander to my team but can't because of the budget and I don't have players to offset his contract without giving up my star players. I think the makers of the game should have real-life budgets like they do in NBA, Madden, and NHL. Yes I know this is tricking because you can go over the luxury tax in MLB and pay fines. But in my opinion teams don't have just a $10 million budget to absorb contracts in real-life because of the luxury tax. The only problem with doing this is that teams like the Astros, Pirates, Brewers, Braves and other small market teams that have a low payroll can trade there top prospects and get a guy like Verlander and another top pitcher with a high salary and just run off, but I think this option is something they should explore in future years so people don't have to turn the ignore budget on to make a play for a guy like verlander without giving up a guy that makes the most money on your team that would be unrealistic. please let me know your thoughts on this as I would love to make this game more realistic like 2k, Madden and NHL. And on another note I would like for them to add an option for a three team trade like in NBA 2K

[TexasRyan]

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I'm 2 games back from .500 near the end of June with the Texas Rangers using TheMonkeyMan23's roster and I think somewhere between the 90 game point and the trade deadline I'm going to make a decision wether to buy or sell. I'm tied with the Astros 3 games back from the Mariners who are in 1st place but I'm like 3.5 games back from the wild card spot so at this point I'm thinking of selling and looking for suggestions. I'm using the Rangers typical lineup except I've got Odor in left field and Profar at 2nd.

Guys I'm thinking about trading:
Yu Darvish - A potential, 90 rating, and having a good year so he brings back the most. But he's playing so well he's still a really valuable asset. At the same time he's 30 and idk when he'll start declining.

Cole Hamels - He's having a rough season with a 5 something ERA, but at 33 I think he can still play one more year next year which is all that's left on his contract and be valuable to the team so I don't see the point in trading him.

Jonathan Lucroy - Might be the most realistic trade in real life, but it doesn't make sense much in the game bc he's having a nice year and is only 30 so resigning him for a couple of years might make more sense until Jose Trevino is ready to be called up.

Adrian Beltre - Again this is tough because he's still my best player in the lineup and is having a monster year. However, he's already declined to an 84 and at his age he's going to keep declining. Will still be a very playable player the rest of the season in the cleanup spot but next year his contract is still on the table and he will decline to the point to where he probably won't be able to start.

Shin Soo-Choo - Another guy who's having a decent year but he's going to start declining soon and rapidly (probably next season) and he has a huge contract over the next 5 years so I can't afford to keep a guy who's costing me that much money and will be unplayable at some point.

Open for other suggestions of people to trade too, including Carlos Gomez. One problem I'm facing is that the three highest potential guys I have are all lefties (Mazara/Odor/Gallo). I don't think I'd trade any of them but if I trade for some young bats then righties might be the way to go. I also have some decisions to make with my pitching staff regarding wether I trade Darvish or resign him, keep Hamels one more year, and I'm stuck with resigning Ross/Cashner and Perez who's terrible.

[Beastboy2335]

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Are you asking for a suggestion on which team to play a franchise with?

Yes and those teams I mentioned I do no want to do again

[whbaseball51121]

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I'm in need of a few team ideas for a tear down and rebuild. KC, Toronto, and Baltimore are off limits as well as Detroit. I could use a few teams and the players to build around on them

How about the Mets? They've struggled in real life and could probably use at least a retooling if not rebuild. Angels maybe? That's kind of a hard one but the challenge might be fun. Giants could work, or Marlins? Just some ideas

[rtwilli4]

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I know this is a trade thread but here me out. Lets just say that I'm the Pirates and want to addd Verlander to my team but can't because of the budget and I don't have players to offset his contract without giving up my star players. I think the makers of the game should have real-life budgets like they do in NBA, Madden, and NHL. Yes I know this is tricking because you can go over the luxury tax in MLB and pay fines. But in my opinion teams don't have just a $10 million budget to absorb contracts in real-life because of the luxury tax. The only problem with doing this is that teams like the Astros, Pirates, Brewers, Braves and other small market teams that have a low payroll can trade there top prospects and get a guy like Verlander and another top pitcher with a high salary and just run off, but I think this option is something they should explore in future years so people don't have to turn the ignore budget on to make a play for a guy like verlander without giving up a guy that makes the most money on your team that would be unrealistic. please let me know your thoughts on this as I would love to make this game more realistic like 2k, Madden and NHL. And on another note I would like for them to add an option for a three team trade like in NBA 2K

In one of my test simulations I started out with the Braves (not a small budget for 2017) and traded away Kemp, Dickey, Colon and Freeman, all for prospects. I was banking loads of cash for all of 2017.

But once offseason starts, that money seems to vanish. Note that my cash flow did increase by a substantial amount but I couldn't figure out exactly how the banked cash correlated to the increased cash flow for the 17-18 off season and the 2018 season. I did several sims and the math never seemed consistent.

I'm hoping this is just a foundation for a much more detailed budget system as IRL there are many MANY more things that factor in.

You should be able to take in $$$ for parking, merch, concessions, media contracts, etc. And if you don't spend it, you should get to keep it. Look at what the Brewers are doing... they are certainly bringing in more $$$ then they are spending at the moment... their payroll is likely to double over then next 2-3 years but in The Show 17 the only way they can increase is if you win a lot right from the start.

Unfortunately I think it is more likely that the budget system will stay as is, which encourages guys like you to spend their stubs on more budget.





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[rtwilli4]

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Yes and those teams I mentioned I do no want to do again

The White Sox were sort of half way into their teardown at the start of 2017. I guess they've done most of the work for you now though.

It doesn't seem fair to teardown the Giants as they're one of the better teams in The Show, but if you follow their real life progress up to the All-Star break as then make fair trades after then they'd be a really fun team. Awesome stadium too.

I just finished 2017 with the Braves. Won 86 games but still a few years away from being truly competitive. They already have tons of talent in the minors but will have 7-8 spots to fill on their MLB roster for 2018 plus some guys to trade at the deadline and/or during 2018 season.

The Pirates are fun. I played 3 years with them in MLBTS 16. It is challenging because IRL they can't and won't actually tear down but seem able to be active in the market and competitive at the same time. Loads of exciting talent in Pittsburgh and some in the minors too.



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[Beastboy2335]

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The White Sox were sort of half way into their teardown at the start of 2017. I guess they've done most of the work for you now though.

It doesn't seem fair to teardown the Giants as they're one of the better teams in The Show, but if you follow their real life progress up to the All-Star break as then make fair trades after then they'd be a really fun team. Awesome stadium too.

I just finished 2017 with the Braves. Won 86 games but still a few years away from being truly competitive. They already have tons of talent in the minors but will have 7-8 spots to fill on their MLB roster for 2018 plus some guys to trade at the deadline and/or during 2018 season.

The Pirates are fun. I played 3 years with them in MLBTS 16. It is challenging because IRL they can't and won't actually tear down but seem able to be active in the market and competitive at the same time. Loads of exciting talent in Pittsburgh and some in the minors too.



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I'm leaning towards Seattle and Atlanta ATM. Any trade ideaa to unload Cano and King Felix would be appreciated. They have some value , but their contracts make it hard to decipher

[kenp86]

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I'm leaning towards Seattle and Atlanta ATM. Any trade ideaa to unload Cano and King Felix would be appreciated. They have some value , but their contracts make it hard to decipher

Honestly think both fit well in New York. Yank fans i know, still are upset that Cano left and would love to see him back. Theyve been linked to King at points when Seattle is out of it. Think it could be fun to have that happen. Figure gotta involve maybe Sheffield and/or Kap, Frazier, Castro ($ purposes) and maybe a guy like Bird. Change of scenery type thing. Probably far off lol

[Beastboy2335]

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Honestly think both fit well in New York. Yank fans i know, still are upset that Cano left and would love to see him back. Theyve been linked to King at points when Seattle is out of it. Think it could be fun to have that happen. Figure gotta involve maybe Sheffield and/or Kap, Frazier, Castro ($ purposes) and maybe a guy like Bird. Change of scenery type thing. Probably far off lol

I like NY for Felix . They're in the market for an ace and it could be something like C.C, Sheffield, and Bird for Felix?. Cano I feel could go elsewhere.