MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[babybombers]

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Then Quintana won't be a Yankee for the second time. It's that easy

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No and I get that but obviously other teams feel the same way and I think the value will have to drop to something around that to pull off that kind of trade or maybe someone with a little more value than mateo. But from what I hear they are wanting a top 15 to top 20 prospect and no one is willing to even consider that unless someone gets desperate at the deadline. Im not arguing with you but it seems every big league team feels the same way a bit.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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No and I get that but obviously other teams feel the same way and I think the value will have to drop to something around that to pull off that kind of trade or maybe someone with a little more value than mateo. But from what I hear they are wanting a top 15 to top 20 prospect and no one is willing to even consider that unless someone gets desperate at the deadline. Im not arguing with you but it seems every big league team feels the same way a bit.

Quintana has been a 5 WAR pitcher on average the last 3 years. Over those 3 years he's been more valuable than Johnny Cueto, Madison Bumgarner and Zach Greinke. He's just about as good as Sale and has a better contract. A team would have to give up a top 25 type player for sure and odds are it would be a top 20 guy. But either way, you don't have to trade for him and we should see here in a couple months what he's actually worth

[babybombers]

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Quintana has been a 5 WAR pitcher on average the last 3 years. Over those 3 years he's been more valuable than Johnny Cueto, Madison Bumgarner and Zach Greinke. He's just about as good as Sale and has a better contract. A team would have to give up a top 25 type player for sure and odds are it would be a top 20 guy. But either way, you don't have to trade for him and we should see here in a couple months what he's actually worth

Fair enough. Did you see what I put about Kap and what value you were thinking for a headliner?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Fair enough. Did you see what I put about Kap and what value you were thinking for a headliner?

Yeah I saw. More of a fringe #2 high end #3 pitcher. So not Matt Harvey

[babybombers]

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Yeah I saw. More of a fringe #2 high end #3 pitcher. So not Matt Harvey

So someone around the value of Salazar sound right or still to high?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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So someone around the value of Salazar sound right or still to high?

An actual #3 not a team with a good team's #3 so no not Danny Salazar he has huge upside. Best case, Sonny Gray. Or Ervin Santana, Robbie Ray, Anthony DeSclafani, or Michael Wacha. That kind of pitcher

[jjpok]

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Hi friends!
I chose to pick the lesser Chicago team, wondering how you valued Quintana and Abreu. They seem to me to be too valuable for to potentially waste away on a rebuilding team. Any recs?


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[BigOscar]

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No and I get that but obviously other teams feel the same way and I think the value will have to drop to something around that to pull off that kind of trade or maybe someone with a little more value than mateo. But from what I hear they are wanting a top 15 to top 20 prospect and no one is willing to even consider that unless someone gets desperate at the deadline. Im not arguing with you but it seems every big league team feels the same way a bit.

You're making out like no one wanted him. The Astro's offered a fantastic package, 3 of their top 4 prospects, so clearly not every team felt the same way as you They will get their price but are in no hurry because his contract is great

[Bard]

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Hi friends!
I chose to pick the lesser Chicago team, wondering how you valued Quintana and Abreu. They seem to me to be too valuable for to potentially waste away on a rebuilding team. Any recs?


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Quintana is a lesser Sale package.

Top 10 prospect in baseball
Top 50 prospect in baseball
Nice potential prospect

Could snag three B's or an A, B, high C.


Abreu has been a solid bat to open his career. He likely has ~24 million in value, kind of hard since he opted into arb, and is a ~2 WAR player.

I'd say a B would get it done, maybe a C as well. Main destination would be to a fellow AL team so he could DH.



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[jjpok]

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Quintana is a lesser Sale package.

Top 10 prospect in baseball
Top 50 prospect in baseball
Nice potential prospect

Could snag three B's or an A, B, high C.


Abreu has been a solid bat to open his career. He likely has ~24 million in value, kind of hard since he opted into arb, and is a ~2 WAR player.

I'd say a B would get it done, maybe a C as well. Main destination would be to a fellow AL team so he could DH.



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I ask, but I'm a little biased, hoping to snag Happ from the northsiders. With Lackey getting old, Arrieta likely to walk, and a fringe starter in Brett, is it something I can convince myself of other than bias to be a plausible deal, or nah?


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[babybombers]

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You're making out like no one wanted him. The Astro's offered a fantastic package, 3 of their top 4 prospects, so clearly not every team felt the same way as you They will get their price but are in no hurry because his contract is great

no I did not say that. if you read everything i wrote other than only one post I said no one is willing to give up a top 15 to a top 20 prospect plus more like the white sox are wanting. I also said Mateo which is #45 prospect with higher upside than that since the down year last year hurt his stock.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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no I did not say that. if you read everything i wrote other than only one post I said no one is willing to give up a top 15 to a top 20 prospect plus more like the white sox are wanting. I also said Mateo which is #45 prospect with higher upside than that since the down year last year hurt his stock.

Mateo would be the second piece. That's our point

He's #85 on the Baseball America list and #91 on Fangraphs list

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[BigOscar]

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no I did not say that. if you read everything i wrote other than only one post I said no one is willing to give up a top 15 to a top 20 prospect plus more like the white sox are wanting. I also said Mateo which is #45 prospect with higher upside than that since the down year last year hurt his stock.

Except Houston were willing to give up what you say no one was willing to give up. Martes is a top 20 prospect, they offered him plus a couple of guys of a similar if not higher level than Mateo. That's the point, Mateo is an add on, not the main piece of a Quintana trade

[babybombers]

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Mateo would be the second piece. That's our point

He's #85 on the Baseball America list and #91 on Fangraphs list

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I prefer MLB.com list but just my preference.

[babybombers]

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Except Houston were willing to give up what you say no one was willing to give up. Martes is a top 20 prospect, they offered him plus a couple of guys of a similar if not higher level than Mateo. That's the point, Mateo is an add on, not the main piece of a Quintana trade

one of 30 teams is not overly confidence of his value. I did say you could see someone desperate overpaying. When one team is willing to do it I consider it overpaying but just my opinion. Never said he was garbage. We are splitting hairs on this from the prospect list I use.