MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[hampshirestags]

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What do you think it takes to get Jeff Hoffman out of Colorado this season? Haven't started a franchise yet, will be with the Yankees, but doubt they have the pieces to bring him over. Thoughts?

MLB ready top 50"ish" (depending on what prospect list you look at) SP that was just traded for Tulo. The Yankees have the pieces but you'd be trading future for future and the markup for just making the phone call would be ridiculous.

Do you just personally like Hoffman or are you looking for young/controllable pitching? You can do better for less.

[hampshirestags]

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So my Blue Jays franchise didn't go as planned and we are 18 back of the Red Sox in mid july so looking to sell some assets going into the deadline to make it more fun. I'm not sure of value on the players because i am a big fan but some players i'm looking at trading are:

Josh Donaldson 3B: Hitting just like every year with a 295 average and 28 homers to a 4.4 WAR. Looking for top end prospects almost MLB ready for him. Annual MVP candidate with 1.5 years of control left.
Teams: St Louis- 52-36 1 game back of cubs. If they want to compete with cubs have to make a splash. Gyroko is out 1-2 months.
Mets- 51-37 leading division by 1, could use 3B upgrade with Wright out and Reyes struggling.
Red Sox- 59-31 flat out dominating could be best team in MLB with upgrade to 3B. Unlikely because in the same division but thought i should list.

J.A Happ SP: Pitching not his best to a 2 WAR (3.75 ish era) but still a very solid pitcher coming off a 20 win season with an affordable contract for 1.5 more years.
Marco Estrada SP: Free agent to be pitching to a 2.3 WAR
Francisco Liriano SP: Free agent to be pitching to a 1.4 WAR
Steve Pearce 1B: Having a career year with a 3 WAR (.293 21 HRs) with 1.5 years left at 6.5 per.
Tulo SS: 2.4 WAR 3years/54mil left i believe after this year.
Bautista RF/DH: 1.9 WAR free agent to be (options won't be picked up)

Teams in contention:
Red Sox 59-31
Yankees 50-38
Indians 52-37
Royals 47-41
Angels 57-35
Mariners 47-43
Rangers 46-42
Nats 52-37
Mets 51-37
Phillies 46-42
Cubs 53-35
Cardinals 52-36
Giants 57-33
Dodgers 53-38

Thanks for the help i'm gonna temper my expectations because of bias but would appreciate feedback. Sorry for it being kind of long but put all the info i could.

I like Donaldson to the Mets. They could put something together around one of their young MLB SP's and some good pieces but don't look for Rosario.

The rest of your stuff is pretty much that...stuff. A couple prospects here or there for the rental Estrada and rental + in Happ but Bautista, Tulo (value, not talent) and Liriano most likely don't move the needle enough to get teams to bite.

[BigOscar]

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Toying with the idea of starting an Angels franchise and rebuilding. Last year I had a franchise with them where I gambled and ended up losing the wildcard game, but I was considering going the opposite direction this year and rebuilding.

Everyone except Trout and Bedrosian would be on the market (and Pujols because he's untradeable), what sort of value do you think I could get for the likes of Kole Calhoun, Matt Shoemaker and Andrelton Simmons? Not convinced anyone else has a whole lot of value, maybe Cron or Skaggs have nominal value?

[breaking_ankles99]

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I like Donaldson to the Mets. They could put something together around one of their young MLB SP's and some good pieces but don't look for Rosario.

The rest of your stuff is pretty much that...stuff. A couple prospects here or there for the rental Estrada and rental + in Happ but Bautista, Tulo (value, not talent) and Liriano most likely don't move the needle enough to get teams to bite.

I also feel like theres a deal to be made with mets and jays, what would an idea of the value look like, from what i could see donaldson has very high value being IMO a top 10 position player in the MLB. Would there be a deal around donaldson for reyes to the cards?

[brandonholmes]

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I like Donaldson to the Mets. They could put something together around one of their young MLB SP's and some good pieces but don't look for Rosario.

Disagree with you on this one Hampshire. I know my bias is showing, but I'd think the Jays would and should ask for Rosario, and a lot of us agreed earlier in the thread a Donaldson to Mets deal would involve him as the headline piece. He's a top-10 player you get for 2 playoff runs, those don't exactly come to market on a regular basis. The original valuation still stands IMO: Rosario, Dom Smith and a piece (believe it was Lugo). Heck if I was the Jays I'd hold out for more. Look at the package Sale just returned. Just last year FanGraphs had Donaldson as more valuable. Less team control now so I could see an instance where he's valued less, but even still, food for thought. Don't think he goes to the Mets without Rosario coming back.

[kenp86]

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So this just happened in my franchise.

KC gets: Darvish
TX gets: Hosmer

Lmao so i sim a couple more days then this happens..
STL gets: Darvish
KC gets: Carpenter, Wacha

[brandonholmes]

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So this just happened in my franchise.

KC gets: Darvish
TX gets: Hosmer

Lmao so i sim a couple more days then this happens..
STL gets: Darvish
KC gets: Carpenter, Wacha

Why I use 30 team control in a nutshell, lol.

[hampshirestags]

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Disagree with you on this one Hampshire. I know my bias is showing, but I'd think the Jays would and should ask for Rosario, and a lot of us agreed earlier in the thread a Donaldson to Mets deal would involve him as the headline piece. He's a top-10 player you get for 2 playoff runs, those don't exactly come to market on a regular basis. The original valuation still stands IMO: Rosario, Dom Smith and a piece (believe it was Lugo). Heck if I was the Jays I'd hold out for more. Look at the package Sale just returned. Just last year FanGraphs had Donaldson as more valuable. Less team control now so I could see an instance where he's valued less, but even still, food for thought. Don't think he goes to the Mets without Rosario coming back.

You bring up some very valid points so let me see if I can clarify a little to validate what I said.

Donaldson is a MVP candidate every time he steps on the field, no doubt. The poster presented a scenario where the Mets were +1 in the division and I made an assumption the Nats were chasing and then... well, everybody else was just showing up. If I'm the Mets and I'm winning without him, why would I trade 2 guys (Rosario/Smith) I brought up after the Super 2 cutoff (he was 90 games in) that I'm winning with? I would deal from my surplus or not at all.

Let's also add in that Donaldson is technically a rental and needs approx. 2 WAR to equal out what you're paying him this year. Also, he now has a DL trip on his resume that he really hasn't had in the past (hamstring? I don't remember what it is but as a O's fan, I'm just glad he's sitting so I didn't get into the details). I disagreed with the original valuation but I want to say (though am not positive, please correct me if I'm wrong) was done for a pre-season trade.

I was trying to give a bit of realism from the business side of baseball (not that I ever worked in a front office). If you look at it strictly from a surplus perspective (I'm doing the math in my head as I type so I'm going to round and probably be off a little), based on Steamer projection for this year, prior to the DL trip, you're looking at ~ 35 mm. Throw in some extra simply because Donaldson is legit and you're still only looking at 2 good prospects, not 1 elite, 1 very good and window dressing.

For future reference (this is for everyone), I never comp pitcher/position player deals. Apples and oranges.

[jseward92]

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You're gonna have to give up Ian Happ plus some more young depth. Paxton is young and expensive to trade for

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Happ + Candelario + De La Cruz + more? I know Seattle has Seager at third but Candelario could be the best fit at first for them. Just looking at their farm I think he is better than Vogelbach and Peterson who are right there in line.

[hampshirestags]

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Happ + Candelario + De La Cruz + more? I know Seattle has Seager at third but Candelario could be the best fit at first for them. Just looking at their farm I think he is better than Vogelbach and Peterson who are right there in line.

I think you're there without the + more.

[brandonholmes]

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You bring up some very valid points so let me see if I can clarify a little to validate what I said.

Donaldson is a MVP candidate every time he steps on the field, no doubt. The poster presented a scenario where the Mets were +1 in the division and I made an assumption the Nats were chasing and then... well, everybody else was just showing up. If I'm the Mets and I'm winning without him, why would I trade 2 guys (Rosario/Smith) I brought up after the Super 2 cutoff (he was 90 games in) that I'm winning with? I would deal from my surplus or not at all.

Let's also add in that Donaldson is technically a rental and needs approx. 2 WAR to equal out what you're paying him this year. Also, he now has a DL trip on his resume that he really hasn't had in the past (hamstring? I don't remember what it is but as a O's fan, I'm just glad he's sitting so I didn't get into the details). I disagreed with the original valuation but I want to say (though am not positive, please correct me if I'm wrong) was done for a pre-season trade.

I was trying to give a bit of realism from the business side of baseball (not that I ever worked in a front office). If you look at it strictly from a surplus perspective (I'm doing the math in my head as I type so I'm going to round and probably be off a little), based on Steamer projection for this year, prior to the DL trip, you're looking at ~ 35 mm. Throw in some extra simply because Donaldson is legit and you're still only looking at 2 good prospects, not 1 elite, 1 very good and window dressing.

For future reference (this is for everyone), I never comp pitcher/position player deals. Apples and oranges.

All valid, save for a few things.

First, it's totally fine to evaluate JDs real life value with the calf injury, but seeing as we're talking about a specific franchise where, based off the numbers that DL stint never happened, that shouldn't factor in. All we can use for the sake of fairness is everything up to the beginning of 2017 + stats from this particular poster.

I'm not sure where you're getting the info the Mets had brought up Rosario and Smith, I didn't see that in his post. As far as I know, they're still in the minors.

Numerically though, I agree, though these "rental" trades never work out in terms of surplus value, so I'm not sure that's the best comparable metric. Nor is Josh a pure rental. He's ARB eligible for one more year, FA after next season, so two playoff runs. Based on that, I think you're looking at much more than lottery tickets. Donaldson is elite enough to slide pretty much every 3B in baseball somewhere else, with the exception of your own boy Machado and Arenado. There would almost certainly be a bidding war for 2 chances at a WS with this guy in your lineup.

[breaking_ankles99]

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You bring up some very valid points so let me see if I can clarify a little to validate what I said.

Donaldson is a MVP candidate every time he steps on the field, no doubt. The poster presented a scenario where the Mets were +1 in the division and I made an assumption the Nats were chasing and then... well, everybody else was just showing up. If I'm the Mets and I'm winning without him, why would I trade 2 guys (Rosario/Smith) I brought up after the Super 2 cutoff (he was 90 games in) that I'm winning with? I would deal from my surplus or not at all.

Let's also add in that Donaldson is technically a rental and needs approx. 2 WAR to equal out what you're paying him this year. Also, he now has a DL trip on his resume that he really hasn't had in the past (hamstring? I don't remember what it is but as a O's fan, I'm just glad he's sitting so I didn't get into the details). I disagreed with the original valuation but I want to say (though am not positive, please correct me if I'm wrong) was done for a pre-season trade.

I was trying to give a bit of realism from the business side of baseball (not that I ever worked in a front office). If you look at it strictly from a surplus perspective (I'm doing the math in my head as I type so I'm going to round and probably be off a little), based on Steamer projection for this year, prior to the DL trip, you're looking at ~ 35 mm. Throw in some extra simply because Donaldson is legit and you're still only looking at 2 good prospects, not 1 elite, 1 very good and window dressing.

For future reference (this is for everyone), I never comp pitcher/position player deals. Apples and oranges.

This might be me being a homer, however I have seen lesser rentals get very good prospects around deadline time. If a player of donaldsons caliber becomes available and still has the extra year i've got to think the bidding war would be extremely high and he could fetch a larger return than a couple 'good' prospects.
I would think a solid comparison would be what would you expect in return for machado minus a little bit

[hampshirestags]

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All valid, save for a few things.

First, it's totally fine to evaluate JDs real life value with the calf injury, but seeing as we're talking about a specific franchise where, based off the numbers that DL stint never happened, that shouldn't factor in. All we can use for the sake of fairness is everything up to the beginning of 2017 + stats from this particular poster.

I'm not sure where you're getting the info the Mets had brought up Rosario and Smith, I didn't see that in his post. As far as I know, they're still in the minors.

Numerically though, I agree, though these "rental" trades never work out in terms of surplus value, so I'm not sure that's the best comparable metric. Nor is Josh a pure rental. He's ARB eligible for one more year, FA after next season, so two playoff runs. Based on that, I think you're looking at much more than lottery tickets. Donaldson is elite enough to slide pretty much every 3B in baseball somewhere else, with the exception of your own boy Machado and Arenado. There would almost certainly be a bidding war for 2 chances at a WS with this guy in your lineup.

First, I'd like to eat some crow in that I miscalculated his service time (don't know why I just didn't look it up) and had his current deal buying out his last arb years. He will have 1 last arb year left in '18 (how the he77 did that happen? I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that arb hearing in the offseason) So yes, 1.5 years. Also, I'll concede the injury time as the poster most likely started his franchise prior to that. I assumed both Rosario/Smith were up as it's time for them but with the CPU managing, it is a total crap shoot.

I would ask that we all keep in mind that this stud (and yes, he is a stud) is 32 this year and is hitting his depreciation full speed. I truly believe his best value is with the Jays but will concede to everyone that I may be selling low on him...still don't see Rosario though ;-)

This might be me being a homer, however I have seen lesser rentals get very good prospects around deadline time. If a player of donaldsons caliber becomes available and still has the extra year i've got to think the bidding war would be extremely high and he could fetch a larger return than a couple 'good' prospects.

Not totally disagreeing with you but...well, disagreeing with you a little bit. Though, in our best moment, do we believe TOR will be 18 back 90 games in? Wonder what Vegas tells us about that? Also keep in mind, rentals change starting this year as the QO process no longer guarantees a 1st round draft sandwich pick (not relevant here with an arb year but rentals in general). That's millions of dollars difference (we'll get the exact numbers in June...though I'd imagine, with a little research/math, we could project what it would be). As I said above, I'm on the low end. Come up with a deal you like with NYM and STL and I'll let the others chime in on the value.

Edit: where are the Nats and is there a deal to be made? I see them in the bidding process also if they are chasing the Mets.

[HolyStroke3]

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A few deals in my 30 team control, I don't play with any of these clubs. Stats are as of 5/19. the only deal I'm looking to make soon is Braun to LA (hits 10/5 rights 5/24) the others would come later in the year.


LAD: LF R. Braun (87 OVR- .317/.361/.423 3 HR 27 RBI)
MIL: CF A. Verdugo (62 OVR/87 Potential/#3 Prospect), SP I. Abdullah (56 OVR/74 Pot./#15 Pros.)

ARZ: CP D. Robertson (84 OVR- 10/10 Saves 0.00 ERA .73 WHIP 15 K 12.1 IP)
CWS: SP A. Banda (64 OVR/90 Pot./#1 Pros.), CF A. Grier (59 OVR/79 Pot./#9 Pros.), SP M. Koch (58 OVR/87 Pot./#17 Pros.)

NYM: 3B T. Frazier (83 OVR- .247/.318/.565 13 HR 23 RBI)
CWS: RF B. Nimmo (63 OVR/83 Pot./#7 Pros.), 1B P. Alonso (58 OVR/76 Pot./#9 Pros.)

[Mattchu12]

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MLB ready top 50"ish" (depending on what prospect list you look at) SP that was just traded for Tulo. The Yankees have the pieces but you'd be trading future for future and the markup for just making the phone call would be ridiculous.

Do you just personally like Hoffman or are you looking for young/controllable pitching? You can do better for less.

Looking for young and controllable pitching in general, but Hoffman fits the profile of guys I personally like. Also looking at Adam Conley and Daniel Magden are on my list too. Team is flush on position talent, so time to find pitching.