CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

[JayD]

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I just had a game against the Mets, who were down 3 runs, where they allowed Noah Syndergaard bat in the bottom of the 6th inning and then had a reliever pitch in the top of the 7th inning. Bullpen management is very odd.

[Hardworker33]

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I posted it to The Show's Bug Reports forum.

Thanks! I was going to do it.

[bcruise]

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I don't understand. Is this a frequent issue for you guys (like, almost every game?) I don't think I've seen a pitcher get pulled abnormally early with sliders at default. In the CPU vs CPU Franchise game I'm watching right now Lester threw 102 pitches before he was yanked in the 7th with a 5-2 lead. That's, like, spot on.

I know someone mentioned quick manage, so I guess I can mess around with that too to maybe see what you guys are seeing.

[countryboy]

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I don't understand. Is this a frequent issue for you guys (like, almost every game?) I don't think I've seen a pitcher get pulled abnormally early with sliders at default. In the CPU vs CPU Franchise game I'm watching right now Lester threw 102 pitches before he was yanked in the 7th with a 5-2 lead. That's, like, spot on.

I know someone mentioned quick manage, so I guess I can mess around with that too to maybe see what you guys are seeing.

Yeah it might be helpful to post game mode and settings (quick counts) to see if there is a common factor


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[Hardworker33]

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Yeah it might be helpful to post game mode and settings (quick counts) to see if there is a common factor


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As for myself,

I play All-star both on pitching & batting with my own sliders (to make it a bit harder but not HOF level) while always playing quick count (no manage mode for me).

Like I said earlier, as soon as I started to see the pattern, I put manager hook at 0 and bump CPU SP stamina at max level to see if it would help... which hasn't.

[bcruise]

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As for myself,

I play All-star both on pitching & batting with my own sliders (to make it a bit harder but not HOF level) while always playing quick count (no manage mode for me).

Like I said earlier, as soon as I started to see the pattern, I put manager hook at 0 and bump CPU SP stamina at max level to see if it would help... which hasn't.

I'll play some games in quick counts on default sliders (HOF) and report back.

[BoNity]

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I have noticed this too.

Default all-star VS. CPU, full game, no quick counts

Havent had an opposing starter make it to inning 7, couple of them had shutouts going. One guy (Forget the name) only had 40 something pitches thrown through 6 and only 2 hits....got yanked.

[HozAndMoose]

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I'll play some games in quick counts on default sliders (HOF) and report back.

Its a problem on there for sure. Idk the exact numbers but there have been numerous times the SP hasnt made it through 5 and i dont even have a run yet.

[HypoLuxa13]

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Does anyone have a link to the bug report that we can vote up? The show nation site isn't loading right on my phone right now, maybe the big reports can't be voted up anyway...

Went through a test season in franchise today with critical moments turned on, and at first was noticing that every time I was put into a save critical situation, the bullpen was almost empty. The CPU was using 5-6 pitcher per game, and I realized this was why. Starter going 5 innings or less in many situations.

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[bcruise]

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Does anyone have a link to the bug report that we can vote up? The show nation site isn't loading right on my phone right now, maybe the big reports can't be voted up anyway...

Went through a test season in franchise today with critical moments turned on, and at first was noticing that every time I was put into a save critical situation, the bullpen was almost empty. The CPU was using 5-6 pitcher per game, and I realized this was why. Starter going 5 innings or less in many situations.

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Correct. They don't have that functionality in this year's tracker (and I'm glad because it made the bug hunting little more than a popularity contest). But you can reply to the thread for the issue if you want to support it.

4 games down, I want to go through the rotation at least twice (quick managing my turns in the field and playing out my AB's). Results have been....mixed. I see what you guys are saying, but so far I haven't seen a really extreme case yet.

[bcruise]

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I cut it off because I apparently jinxed the AI hard - those last two games were early pulls no matter how you slice it.

Remember the pitch counts in QC are fudged a bit.

Martinez: 68 pitches 5 IP, 4 ER (PH)
Wainwright: 68 pitches, 4 IP, 5 ER
Wacha: 77 pitches, 6 IP, 2 ER, 12 K, Tying run on deck
Garza: 80 pitches, 5 2/3 IP, 1 ER, 9 K (Just gave up go-ahead solo HR)
Guerra: 69 pitches, 4 IP, 2 ER
Davies: 70 pitches, 5 1/3 IP, 1 ER (pulled after fly out)

The first two were clear ineffectiveness pulls and the 2nd two were probably game situation decisions.

I will say that Stamina probably played a role in some of these - it was dipping down below half and towards 1/4 and that's when the AI will make moves like this. But it does seem like it's too soon for that to happen.

My curiosity's piqued, so I'll mess around a bit with stamina and hook and see what I get. I will say that minimizing hook could actually have a negative effect on this problem, because the AI might not pull its pitchers until they end up totally gassed. Then they could go into their next start tired at less than full stamina. Just a theory - I think I'm going to mess with stamina before hook.

[themoneyteam1212]

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This is awful. Makes franchise unplayable for me

[BL8001]

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Yep something is totally off here.

It's like the main game situation is being totally ignored. Not sure what the pull determiner is yet but something is triggering it way too early.

Me as mariners at Tigers, verlander pitching, I tagged him for a HR in the 1st after he struck 2 out.

In the 5th he was around 70 pitches and really dealing. I did not have much success at the plate after the early homer. I drew a walk and the AI did a mound visit. Huh?

He stayed in. Vasgersian said someone was warming up, what?

I got a single. Then up popped a 3-2 count and I left the bat on my shoulder and drew a walk.

Verlander pulled.

It was 1-0 me in a very even game. i get it, bases loaded, but they would totally let verlander work out of the jam and at least face 1 more batter.

Something wonky is going on.

[bcruise]

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Yep something is totally off here.

It's like the main game situation is being totally ignored. Not sure what the pull determiner is yet but something is triggering it way too early.

Me as mariners at Tigers, verlander pitching, I tagged him for a HR in the 1st after he struck 2 out.

In the 5th he was around 70 pitches and really dealing. I did not have much success at the plate after the early homer. I drew a walk and the AI did a mound visit. Huh?

He stayed in. Vasgersian said someone was warming up, what?

I got a single. Then up popped a 3-2 count and I left the bat on my shoulder and drew a walk.

Verlander pulled.

It was 1-0 me in a very even game. i get it, bases loaded, but they would totally let verlander work out of the jam and at least face 1 more batter.

Something wonky is going on.

I think it's the opposite, actually. The game situation's not being ignored, it's being weighted too heavily. If the game is close, it won't hesitate to use the hook on even the best pitcher even if their stamina is a little below half.

The description on the Manager Hook slider does say "Situation is still the dominant factor", but I do feel like it's overpowering the other factors completely.

I want to re-iterate that I have not personally seen this occur much, if at all in normal gameplay - only this series of QC franchise games I just tested (I don't play much QC). Even then I didn't see anything really crazy like 50 pitches (I'm guessing RTTS stamina had something to do with that). That game with Lester throwing 100+ pitches into the 7th earlier did actually happen.

[HypoLuxa13]

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This is awful. Makes franchise unplayable for me

I don't know if it is unplayable, but it is something i'm hoping can be patched in the first major patch. Else it will certainly impact my enjoyment of franchise mode... My test franchise I ran through today with the Padres went very well otherwise, I was thinking about continuing and not waiting for OSFM, we'll see if it gets patched though

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