CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

[squashbuggie]

Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

^^

I'm not disputing a Sim/QC/Quick manage mid-innings problem. I am worried about CG's and SO's possibly balooning again if it's tweaked too strongly though. I think just bumping the matchup/situation-takes-precedence logic back to the 6th inning instead of the 5th would fix that problem. Mess with it too much and you'll ruin CG stats again.

And it's less of an issue for played games as long as the pitchers are throwing enough pitches to run their energy down. People are only noticing it in there when they can't work counts and the pitcher's only thrown 60 pitches or so through 6.

There's a lot of layers to this problem - it's not as simple as "SP Hook logic is broken, fix it" (not saying anyone is saying that)

I will tell you this .... if they try to patch this issue, I am never gonna go online. lol. with the work-arounds, sim stats are incredible. In-game vs cpu pitcher is the problem I guess.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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I'm a newb and SP stamina is THE very first issue I had with this game.

Ex. Randy Johnson 1999-2002;

35 starts per year, 1400+ innings, 354 strikeouts/year on average.

Now, I recognize how unbelievably surreal those numbers are. But this game won't even let you sniff that territory with endurance being want it is.


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[Basketball GURU]

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2nd example is in line with what I was talking about. 5th inning. That part of the logic is a bit too harsh on the SP and could use a tweak.

That first one is crazy, though. Who was pitching in those games?

Im still using my carry over but it was Yordano Ventura under a new name for the first and Shelby Miller for the other

[bcruise]

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Im still using my carry over but it was Yordano Ventura under a new name for the first and Shelby Miller for the other

Oh....that first one's a tricky one, then. Does he still have the same ratings, or is it a completely different player? If it gave him low stamina I could see that happening

Shelby's an 84 stamina (at least in this year's game), so he probably got hit by that 5th inning logic I was talking about.

One more question....are you mid-season? Maybe they started the game with less than full energy?

[saucerset]

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I had an opposite event happen. The starter stayed in all 11 innings and his pitch count was up over 150. Every inning he came out with fresh energy. The box score at the end of the game showed multiple pitchers through the game but while in the game it continued to be the same guy. I saved a screen shot of it.

[bcruise]

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I had an opposite event happen. The starter stayed in all 11 innings and his pitch count was up over 150. Every inning he came out with fresh energy. The box score at the end of the game showed multiple pitchers through the game but while in the game it continued to be the same guy. I saved a screen shot of it.

I do know of a bug that doesn't reset the pitch count when bringing in a new pitcher (seen it happen on my game once and read other reports of it on show nation). It just keeps counting up for the next pitcher. Is there any chance that's what happened?

I ask because 150 pitches sounds about right for an 11 inning game total.

[CleveCluby]

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I would like to take a minute to complement everyone on this post. This is the way a community is supposed to work. Sure there are complaints, but the majority of them are constructive criticism. Everyone is contributing, suggesting Ideas, giving examples and not trashing SECA or the games developers or each other for that matter.

Most of us agree there is an issue. Most of us agree that we feel it it just a small adjustment and hope they don't OVER fix it. Many of us have tested and tried to find a work around and it seems we are all after the same goal. Most of us agree that the game is very good. Most of us agree that can and will be fixed.

Keep the constructive criticism and the Ideas and suggestions coming. With our help, maybe we can get the support and have a better game. In the end, Isn't that all we are really asking for and trying to achieve. I am proud to be a part of this community and it is awesome to see everyone trying to work together. This is how things get done.

And the one thing we all seem to have in common is we all LOVE BASEBALL..

[saucerset]

Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

I do know of a bug that doesn't reset the pitch count when bringing in a new pitcher (seen it happen on my game once and read other reports of it on show nation). It just keeps counting up for the next pitcher. Is there any chance that's what happened?

I ask because 150 pitches sounds about right for an 11 inning game total.

It was always the same pitcher. Name and everything. It wasn't until I looked at the box score that it was different pitchers. Yeah, I agree that it was an accurate pitch count, it was just weird seeing the same guy the whole game. I haven't seen it since so I just chalked it up to a freak occurrence.

[BigOscar]

Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

^^

I'm not disputing a Sim/QC/Quick manage mid-innings problem. I am worried about CG's and SO's possibly balooning again if it's tweaked too strongly though. I think just bumping the matchup/situation-takes-precedence logic back to the 6th inning instead of the 5th would fix that problem. Mess with it too much and you'll ruin CG stats again.

And it's less of an issue for played games as long as the pitchers are throwing enough pitches to run their energy down. People are only noticing it in there when they can't work counts and the pitcher's only thrown 60 pitches or so through 6.

There's a lot of layers to this problem - it's not as simple as "SP Hook logic is broken, fix it" (not saying anyone is saying that)

Honestly, if I'm having to pick between the computer wrecking almost every game by pulling their starter far too early, or the complete game stat looking wrong when I look at the end of the season, that's not even a contest. One is a minor irritant, one wrecks the enjoyment of every game and makes me not want to play Franchise mode.

Not convinced we should have to chose either, it shouldn't be that hard to make pitching logic that isn't terrible one way or the other. Just have starters pitch until they are tired or get into trouble, with the equation for what equals "trouble" become more strict as the pitcher gets more tired. Surely it can't be that hard, it was absolutely fine in game last year

[countryboy]

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Last year didn't have Humanity AI which I believe is the culprit here.

So it may be a bit harder than you'd like to think to find the right balance


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[miamikb2001]

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Last year didn't have Humanity AI which I believe is the culprit here.

So it may be a bit harder than you'd like to think to find the right balance


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I would agree the balance maybe far more difficult then we think,hopefully not.


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[bcruise]

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Just so everyone knows, there is hope here - this kind of thing can be and has been patched before:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ch-1-04-a.html

As I mentioned, we were at the far opposite end of this spectrum last year - Starters were left in too long and complete games and shutouts skyrocketed (which is not just a stats thing - it's an eyesore to see multiple constant 9 IP, 0 ER games popping up on the franchise ticker every day). This thread detailed a patch that (somewhat) addressed that.

[CleveCluby]

Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

Just so everyone knows, there is hope here - this kind of thing can be and has been patched before:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ch-1-04-a.html

As I mentioned, we were at the far opposite end of this spectrum last year - Starters were left in too long and complete games and shutouts skyrocketed (which is not just a stats thing - it's an eyesore to see multiple constant 9 IP, 0 ER games popping up on the franchise ticker every day). This thread detailed a patch that (somewhat) addressed that.

I do remember them patching that, there were many complaints about other pitching issues such as playoff stamina and etc. But I can't remember how long we waited as there were 3 or four patches. Did that get addressed quickly or did it come towards the the last patch and near the end of the season..

[miamikb2001]

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I do remember them patching that, there were many complaints about other pitching issues such as playoff stamina and etc. But I can't remember how long we waited as there were 3 or four patches. Did that get addressed quickly or did it come towards the the last patch and near the end of the season..

It came early May i believe.First patch last year was April 16th


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[raneman85]

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Well there goes my theory. Playing an imported '71 season. Moved stamina starter up one notch. Mel Stotlymyre with 86 stamina is leading the Tigers with 1 out and bases loaded in the 8th 114 pitches, Acker warming up, red stamina bar. McAuliffe bounces into a DP. Mel is coming back out in the 9th. Maybe it's situational.


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