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  • RogueHominid
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    • Aug 2006
    • 10900

    #406
    Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

    Originally posted by KnightTemplar
    CleveCluby, simmed the Dodgers first month again. THIS TIME I GAVE ALL THE SPS A 99 STAMINA. Rotation is Kershaw, Maeda, Ryu, Wood, McCarthy. First month results.

    Kershaw 9
    Maeda 2.1 (gave up 9 hits 7 runs)
    McCarthy 8 (7-2 win)
    Ryu 7.1 (1-1 when pulled)
    Wood (6 was down 3-1 had given up 11 hits)
    Kershaw 4 (gave up 6 hits, 4 runs)
    Maeda 9 (11-1 blowout)
    McCarthy 5 (down 3-0, 7 hits three runs)
    Ryu 6 (down 2-0 9 hits)
    Wood 6 (down 2-0)
    Kershaw 7 (up 1-0)
    Maeda 8
    McCarthy 6 (down 2-0)
    Ryu 6 (down 2-0)
    Wood 4 (gave up 9 hits 4 runs)
    Kershaw 6 (2-2)
    Maeda 6 (down 3-0)
    McCarthy 5 (down 4-0_
    Ryu 8
    Wood 5 (down 3-1)
    Kershaw 8.1
    Maeda (down 4-1)
    Mccarthy 9(2-0)
    Ryu 5.1 (down 2-0)
    Wood 5.2 (2-2 4BB)
    That looks pretty reasonable to me. But again, I'm not a huge MLB stat nerd. I think I could live with those numbers, and I'll gladly eat crow, so to speak, if my impressions were not backed by sufficient data.

    The hook does seem quicker this year than last, but maybe last year's game let pitchers stay in too long...

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    • KnightTemplar
      MVP
      • Feb 2017
      • 3282

      #407
      Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

      Originally posted by Trojan Man
      That looks pretty reasonable to me. But again, I'm not a huge MLB stat nerd. I think I could live with those numbers, and I'll gladly eat crow, so to speak, if my impressions were not backed by sufficient data.

      The hook does seem quicker this year than last, but maybe last year's game let pitchers stay in too long...
      That was with each starter at 99 stamina, though. The previous test I did was with their assigned stamina. If it is the individual player stamina, then it might appear that the in game sliders are not having an effect. Mys-ter-y.

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      • CleveCluby
        Pro
        • Feb 2003
        • 808

        #408
        Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

        EWRMETS. Thanks for the reply and advice.. Will do..
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        • kehlis
          Moderator
          • Jul 2008
          • 27738

          #409
          CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

          Originally posted by CleveCluby
          Thank you Knight Templar. I really appreciate that. Thanks for taking the time. The Dodgers have a pretty good Pitching staff. Your results were 12 out of 25 games the SP got pulled in 5 full or less. That's far better results than I get. That's close to 50 percent of the time. The results that I get are about 65 to 70 percent of the time the SP gets pulled before the 6th. Again though I don't check just one team.. I pick 10 different teams and check five of there games.

          I am also assuming that the Dodgers are your team. Please correct me if I am wrong. Did you happen to notice where the Pitcher batted in the line up, I have found a few games where the SP and REL pitcher were batting in the 7 and 8th spot. I did notice that this seemed to happen when an AL team played a NL team at there home.

          BobSacamano.. Thanks for the suggestion. I will try that today. I have just been starting franchises and just running the first month, But any suggestion is greatly appreciated. Some people think I am being rude which I do not intend to be. I just love BB and this is now my only opportunity to play it again. I am just trying to find away to make the most out of it. For me personally this SP issue just takes all the fun and realism out of the game.

          If others don't mind it. God Bless them. I just can not get into the fact that I am having a great Pitching duel and a close game, I can't hit this guy and I know when it comes to the 5th inning or start of the sixth, They are going to pull him if I get a walk or a hit. That simply is not strategic Baseball. Then I know I'm going to crush the reliever and he is gonna stay in there for the next 3 innings or more.

          Some people may enjoy that. I don't and as I have said, this was never an issue in 14 thru 16. So why is it now. ? I can assume it is because of the Humanity and Quirks being added to the game. Trying to balance each factor out. I love the idea of these options and I am truly hoping the devs will find an adjustment or a happy medium that pleases most of us.

          What really angers me is when a few say there is no problem just leave it alone and seem to have no concern for the many many of us that do see it as an issue. To each there own, But when this many people see the same issue, then it is an issue.

          Some only see it as a QC problem but I have done several test and I feel it is a problem throughout the game. It may be worse in the QC because of how they count the pitches, but there are plenty of people that play with QC, I am one of them, And I would like to be able to continue to play that way with just a little realism and logic.

          And yes, I have seen the mound visits on occasion. A few have been just quick cut scenes but I have also seen full visit.

          The reason you are seeing the pitcher in different spots of the order at the end of the game is because of double switches and that could also have an effect on why the pitchers are being pulled earlier than expected.


          If we are simming for results to test if pitchers are being left in long enough the sims should be with Al teams only to eliminate that variable.

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          • CleveCluby
            Pro
            • Feb 2003
            • 808

            #410
            Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

            Thanks Kehlis. I didn't think about the double switch. Makes a lot of sense. Good advise. I will try that just test AL teams.
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            • squashbuggie
              Banned
              • Dec 2016
              • 371

              #411
              Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

              Originally posted by KnightTemplar
              That was with each starter at 99 stamina, though. The previous test I did was with their assigned stamina. If it is the individual player stamina, then it might appear that the in game sliders are not having an effect. Mys-ter-y.
              I said a week ago that up the stamina and things are fixed.
              I am quick managing and playing all games and it is great.

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              • KnightTemplar
                MVP
                • Feb 2017
                • 3282

                #412
                Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                Originally posted by squashbuggie
                I said a week ago that up the stamina and things are fixed.
                I am quick managing and playing all games and it is great.
                That could be a fix. If people are saying it's a problem, then there's possibly a solution too. I look at some of the SPs stamina and some of them are in the 70s. I'm currently redoing all the SPs stamina to about 90 (all teams).

                Doesn't matter to me if it may be unrealistic, or that one pitcher should have more stamina than another (because of real life) because this is a video game with some bugs. It just matters will it show better results with SPs staying in longer.

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                • gp005
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2017
                  • 280

                  #413
                  Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                  Originally posted by KnightTemplar
                  That could be a fix. If people are saying it's a problem, then there's possibly a solution too. I look at some of the SPs stamina and some of them are in the 70s. I'm currently redoing all the SPs stamina to about 90 (all teams).

                  Doesn't matter to me if it may be unrealistic, or that one pitcher should have more stamina than another (because of real life) because this is a video game with some bugs. It just matters will it show better results with SPs staying in longer.
                  ive done this with my roster and it makes a significant difference....
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                  • gp005
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                    • Jan 2017
                    • 280

                    #414
                    Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                    i dont think its unrealistic eaither... because why does a guy like ubaldo jiminez for example have stamina in the 70's...he can throw 120 pitches easily ( he just gets hit too easy lol ) sorry o's fans
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                    • KnightTemplar
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2017
                      • 3282

                      #415
                      Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                      The above (increasing SP stamina) looks promising. Testing Philadelphia's SP, I increased everyone of them to AT LEAST a 90). An example would be a game vs. Seattle (I did not adjust the SEA SPs)

                      Paxton went 5 at the time the game was 2-2 (8Ks 2BB)
                      Eickhoff (Phils) went 7 (6 Ks, 1BB)

                      Mariot went 7 was leading 4-0, 6Ks, 2BB

                      Nola went 7 in a 0-0 game

                      Nola went 5.1 but gave up 5 in the bottom of the 6th and was yanked

                      Mariot went 7 trailing 1-0

                      Nola went 7 with a 5-2 lead

                      Eichoff went 8 (11 hits) 9-3 lead

                      Hellickson 8 6-1 lead

                      Velazquez 5 down 2-0

                      Mariot 7 with 1-0 lead

                      Nola 5 down 4-0

                      Eichoff 7.2 up 1-0

                      Hellickson 5 up 1-0

                      Velasquez 4 down 2-0

                      Mariot 5 down 3-0

                      Nola 6.2 up 1-0

                      Eichoff 4.2 down 4-0

                      Hellickson 5, down 2-0

                      HMMMMMM...... the pitchers seem to be yanked if they are down with no runs scored for their team. Just looks strange.

                      So increasing stamina MAY not have ANYTHING to do with it, just the AI clicking in with no runs scored and yanking the pitcher?????

                      Anyway, just food for thought, throwing this out there.

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                      • The Kid 24
                        It's Show Time!
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 14766

                        #416
                        Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                        Originally posted by squashbuggie
                        I said a week ago that up the stamina and things are fixed.
                        I am quick managing and playing all games and it is great.
                        What should stamina on pitchers be edited to?
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                        • TGov
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 1169

                          #417
                          Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                          Figured I'd just post this here...

                          Roberto Osuna was pulled after 2 batters in the 9th of a 1-0 game, no injury, high stamina. Jason Grille replaced him to get the final out.

                          What's​ this about?
                          (Favorable matchup?, but Osuna's the closer)

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                          • KnightTemplar
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2017
                            • 3282

                            #418
                            Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                            Originally posted by The Kid 24
                            What should stamina on pitchers be edited to?
                            Before you think of this, look at my post above yours. I did the stamina thing and it seemed to work UNLESS your team had scored "0" runs within the first five innings. It seems SPs were being yanked with no runs scored for their side...maybe.

                            I'm about tested out here, lol. But, food for thought.

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                            • squashbuggie
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2016
                              • 371

                              #419
                              Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                              Originally posted by The Kid 24
                              What should stamina on pitchers be edited to?
                              I suggest:

                              99 - elite

                              95-all-star and very good

                              90-good

                              85-solid, average MLB starter

                              80-regular pitcher and A/B potential prospect

                              75-everyone else

                              this scale will still allow the pitcher's ratings to properly reflect their abilities.
                              also, with the OSFM end of year roster that I carried over from 16 - I use these sim sliders and have gotten great results:

                              *starter stamina - 6

                              *reliever sta. - 0

                              *manager hook - 3

                              *injury - 8

                              for games that you start in quick sim and then jump-in to pitch vs cpu (I only pitch and never hit), use these sliders:

                              *starter stamina - 1

                              *reliever sta. - 0

                              *manager hook - 7

                              *injury - 8

                              This is how I set BP:

                              *1-LRP (use a SP and chop his stamina half).

                              *4-MRP (chop relievers stamina in half).

                              *1-SU (sta. in half).

                              *Closer (leave stamina at default (25-30)

                              Also, to get better SV/BSV #’s, you need to have nobody labeled closer at all.
                              First 25-calendar days of season, put the closer in the MRP section and the best su man and other su man as # best pitcher. After 25-calendar days pass, then insert closer and follow my BP set-up.

                              Best way to test sim for stats is to start a season mode and control five teams in one division. Turn injuries off and plug in sliders and season mode will sim in about one minute. I have literally simmed hundreds of hours in the past with this game – and I kinda know a bit about this

                              : )

                              enjoy
                              Last edited by squashbuggie; 04-12-2017, 03:31 PM.

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                              • KnightTemplar
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2017
                                • 3282

                                #420
                                Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                                Another thing that I've noticed. After 5 innings that message comes up "would you like to pinch hit for your pitcher" (paraphrasing). My pitcher had a six run lead and good stamina and high confidence.

                                Is that something that triggers it under the hood for the CPU?????

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