Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

[Armor and Sword]

Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

Agree 100%. Baseball is about making contact with a ball moving 100 mph towards you. It's almost impossible to control where the ball goes when you hit it coming that fast. Clutch isn't really a thing in baseball. It's just an unnecessary rating added to make the game harder and, in my opinion, a lot more unrealistic.

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There are some guys.....and there are only a few of them on the planet and only a few we may see in our own lifetime that have that talent and ability to hit a baseball coming at 98 MPH or here is another one and a better explanation of “clutch”

Kirk Gibson.

Kirk did his homework on this guy named Dennis Eckersley. He was arguably one of the most dominant closers in the game between 1988 and 1990.

Kirk knew on 3-2 he loved to come back door slider. It was his money/out pitch.

He sat on it. And he crushed it for one of the greatest clutch moments in baseball history.

Why?

Preparation and Talent colliding.

And he did it on one leg which makes it even more unlikely. But we were talking about Kirk Gibson who in his prime was an absolute stud player.

Some guys simply have always been clutch in big moments.

Craig Nettles
Reggie Jackson
Derek Jeter

Just to name some great Yankees.

It’s not random. It is ungodly talent combined with incredible mental preparation.

The only way you hit sliders, curves and changeups is if you are sitting on them.

If you can’t hit a fastball go play soccer.




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[Caulfield]

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If there were an attempt to neutralise clutch by rerating all 2700+ players clutch attribute, I wonder if it would be better with all 99's across the board or all zeroes or all set at 49?

Derek Jeter would like to have a word with you.

*looks at Captain Clutch's lifetime average of .301 w/risp vs his lifetime average of .310 w/o anyone on base, shrugs*

[Armor and Sword]

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If there were an attempt to neutralise clutch by rerating all 2700+ players clutch attribute, I wonder if it would be better with all 99's across the board or all zeroes or all set at 49?
*looks at Captain Clutch's lifetime average of .301 w/risp vs his lifetime average of .310 w/o anyone on base, shrugs*

The guy was simply great.....and great when it mattered most. Not many like him.




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[Padgoi]

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There are some guys.....and there are only a few of them on the planet and only a few we may see in our own lifetime that have that talent and ability to hit a baseball coming at 98 MPH or here is another one and a better explanation of “clutch”

Kirk Gibson.

Kirk did his homework on this guy named Dennis Eckersley. He was arguably one of the most dominant closers in the game between 1988 and 1990.

Kirk knew on 3-2 he loved to come back door slider. It was his money/out pitch.

He sat on it. And he crushed it for one of the greatest clutch moments in baseball history.

Why?

Preparation and Talent colliding.

And he did it on one leg which makes it even more unlikely. But we were talking about Kirk Gibson who in his prime was an absolute stud player.

Some guys simply have always been clutch in big moments.

Craig Nettles
Reggie Jackson
Derek Jeter

Just to name some great Yankees.

It’s not random. It is ungodly talent combined with incredible mental preparation.

The only way you hit sliders, curves and changeups is if you are sitting on them.

If you can’t hit a fastball go play soccer.




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You just proved my point. You named 4 players in a 50 year span. That in itself shows that the clutch rating shouldn't be a thing because almost no one has it. Maybe 4 guys in the history of the game?
Also, Gibson fouled off a few tough pitches before sitting on the slider. That was less about an actual clutch ability and more about, as you said, mental preparation and knowing what eckersley threw in certain situations.

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[KnightTemplar]

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If there were an attempt to neutralise clutch by rerating all 2700+ players clutch attribute, I wonder if it would be better with all 99's across the board or all zeroes or all set at 49?
*looks at Captain Clutch's lifetime average of .301 w/risp vs his lifetime average of .310 w/o anyone on base, shrugs*

Wouldn’t you think somebody would take the roster and zero everything out (clutch) and see what the results are? We are given attributes of which clutch is one. They can be adjusted. Wouldn’t that be a start?

If the game is great for some, sucks for some, who do the devs please to please?
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[Caulfield]

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The guy was simply great.....and great when it mattered most. Not many like him.













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oh no doubt, and truthfully speaking, he was absolutely clutch, whether bat in hand or glove, baserunners or no. If Mariano is the first unanimous HoF'er, Jeter has a good a chance as anybody at being the first unanimous position player.

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incidentally, I hate it when pitcher is classified as not a ''position'' lol

[Armor and Sword]

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You just proved my point. You named 4 players in a 50 year span. That in itself shows that the clutch rating shouldn't be a thing because almost no one has it. Maybe 4 guys in the history of the game?
Also, Gibson fouled off a few tough pitches before sitting on the slider. That was less about an actual clutch ability and more about, as you said, mental preparation and knowing what eckersley threw in certain situations.

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I actually agree. Very few should have a high clutch rating.


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[Padgoi]

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Padgoi I agree with you 110% in regards to game being scripted

Just had a game (one of many) that i was ahead 5-2 top of 8th easy DP grounder to get out of inning, booted. CPU puts up 5 after that and i end up losing 7-5

Frustrating as hell

I wouldn't say it's scripted, this is where everyone gets confused. However I do think things like this happen ENTIRELY too often in this game. Maybe the infielder who fielded the ball had a low clutch rating and thus didn't make the play? Maybe the batter had a high clutch rating and thus the game calculated he's good in the clutch and therefore the infielder booted it? Maybe the infielder had a poor defensive rating thus giving him a higher percentage of making an error in a clutch situation?

Fact is, these things happen entirely too often in the game. And at very convenient times for the team that's losing.

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[Caulfield]

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Wouldn’t you think somebody would take the roster and zero everything out (clutch) and see what the results are? We are given attributes of which clutch is one. They can be adjusted. Wouldn’t that be a start?

If the game is great for some, sucks for some, who do the devs please to please?
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I think that's why the ''developed'' sliders lol have your coke and drink it too lol


and though clutch is adjustable, as well as most Quirks, there are a couple quirks you have zero controll ove, AFAIK, hits better at home, road warrior, day guy, night guy. Ah,well.

[countryboy]

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Wouldn’t you think somebody would take the roster and zero everything out (clutch) and see what the results are? We are given attributes of which clutch is one. They can be adjusted. Wouldn’t that be a start?

If the game is great for some, sucks for some, who do the devs please to please?
*

I was staying out of this thread for obvious reasons, but I was coming to post this exact same thought.

If it is believed that the CLUTCH rating/attribute is the culprit for this "boost", then why not play about 10 games with the CLUTCH rating zeroed out for all players in the game and see if the "boost" is still there?

[Armor and Sword]

Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

I wouldn't say it's scripted, this is where everyone gets confused. However I do think things like this happen ENTIRELY too often in this game. Maybe the infielder who fielded the ball had a low clutch rating and thus didn't make the play? Maybe the batter had a high clutch rating and thus the game calculated he's good in the clutch and therefore the infielder booted it? Maybe the infielder had a poor defensive rating thus giving him a higher percentage of making an error in a clutch situation?

Fact is, these things happen entirely too often in the game. And at very convenient times for the team that's losing.

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They don’t happen to me that often.

Don’t know what to say.

Baseball is 27 outs. No clock, can’t play keep away and run time to zero.

Gotta get 27 outs to win...sometimes more.

I don’t agree that it happens far too often. I have played 1000’s of games with this series.

Feels like baseball to me [emoji817] % of the time.




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[Padgoi]

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They don’t happen to me that often.

Don’t know what to say.

Baseball is 27 outs. No clock, can’t play keep away and run time to zero.

Gotta get 27 outs to win...sometimes more.

I don’t agree that it happens far too often. I have played 1000’s of games with this series.

Feels like baseball to me [emoji817] % of the time.




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We agree to disagree. For me, I literally see it every other game if not more often. You may see it and consider it to be real baseball. I consider it to be nonsense and just another way the game seems to always make things interesting. The game simply does not feel like organic baseball to me at all.

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[KnightTemplar]

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If it is believed that the CLUTCH rating/attribute is the culprit for this "boost", then why not play about 10 games with the CLUTCH rating zeroed out for all players in the game and see if the "boost" is still there?

Seems simple enough to me. Is it a work around if it works? It is if you say you just love the game. But isn’t it at least a start?

[Armor and Sword]

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We agree to disagree. For me, I literally see it every other game if not more often. You may see it and consider it to be real baseball. I consider it to be nonsense and just another way the game seems to always make things interesting. The game simply does not feel like organic baseball to me at all.

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Agreed. Nothing wrong with disagreeing.


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[Caulfield]

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I was staying out of this thread for obvious reasons, but I was coming to post this exact same thought.

If it is believed that the CLUTCH rating/attribute is the culprit for this "boost", then why not play about 10 games with the CLUTCH rating zeroed out for all players in the game and see if the "boost" is still there?

for the record, me being a culprit introducing clutch into the mix (at least in this thread), I'll state I havent seen that clutch more than minimally affects my personal game experience, clutch is negligible at best. I did say IF any boost is coming into play, its clutch, and perhaps combining a batters and pitchers clutch could potentially skewer the at-bat. But I dont know because I havent personally witnessed. And then I remembered a handful of non-edible quirks as well. My only real reason for mentioning clutch is because it makes more sense than an completely wasted year.