MLB The Show 20 Livestream - March to October (Archive Included)

[Jeffrey Smith]

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Many are looking for instant gratification today. Unfortunate, but it is what it is.


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[KSUowls]

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I have no doubt that part of it is a generational gap, but I also have to wonder how much of it is a complete abandonment of things like Franchise modes. A senior in high school has likely never played Madden 05 with its deepest franchise mode of the series. That same senior hasn't seen a meaningful update to MLB the Show since they were in middle school.

Whatever the generational gap may be, if I as a life long baseball fan who bought at least 1 baseball game every year since the late 90's (until 2017) have stopped buying the game due to lack of franchise attention, then how can I expect the "instant gratification" generation to care about the things you can enjoy in a franchise mode.

[Armor and Sword]

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I have no doubt that part of it is a generational gap, but I also have to wonder how much of it is a complete abandonment of things like Franchise modes. A senior in high school has likely never played Madden 05 with its deepest franchise mode of the series. That same senior hasn't seen a meaningful update to MLB the Show since they were in middle school.

Whatever the generational gap may be, if I as a life long baseball fan who bought at least 1 baseball game every year since the late 90's (until 2017) have stopped buying the game due to lack of franchise attention, then how can I expect the "instant gratification" generation to care about the things you can enjoy in a franchise mode.

I don’t expect it personally.

I have come to grips with it. I did a few iterations ago. Card modes and more streamlined “career” modes and also be a player modes are the preference based on the telemetrics the game companies see.

I use what the game has and have a blast. I just have lowered my expectations for “franchise” modes in sports games today. It is reality. The whole “don’t keep supporting” argument is nonsense. The game developers are going to focus on what sells the game and also generates the most revenue. It is easy to see that.

Before online play all you had was offline franchise. Online play changed everything for the solo offline sports gamer. Once online became a thing....it started this long trend of focusing on online play and then eventually ultimate team modes.

And that is ok. I get it.

But it dissapointed me one of broadcast themes was removed. I took great joy in MLB 19 having three distinct themes for me to use SOTS to the fullest. It really is a major thing for me personally as that is how I get the most out of franchise mode. TO me presentation is as big a part of franchise mode as....deeper stats, better scouting etc.

Because I spend 95% of my time actually playing the actual game vs hanging out in menus.

So it was a huge letdown seeing they removed a really important presentation feature.

However....I am looking forward to the game big time. I can’t wait to see all the new drop downs and stat wipes this time out. I will figure out a good way to implement SOTS (JoshC1977 had a great suggestion for me).

[tessl]

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I have no doubt that part of it is a generational gap, but I also have to wonder how much of it is a complete abandonment of things like Franchise modes. A senior in high school has likely never played Madden 05 with its deepest franchise mode of the series. That same senior hasn't seen a meaningful update to MLB the Show since they were in middle school.

Whatever the generational gap may be, if I as a life long baseball fan who bought at least 1 baseball game every year since the late 90's (until 2017) have stopped buying the game due to lack of franchise attention, then how can I expect the "instant gratification" generation to care about the things you can enjoy in a franchise mode.

The good news is high school kids grow up and their tastes and preference evolve as they age. There will always be a demand for franchise mode.

[KSUowls]

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It is reality. The whole “don’t keep supporting” argument is nonsense. The game developers are going to focus on what sells the game and also generates the most revenue. It is easy to see that.

Well, you're half right. You said revenue drives development paths which is true. Ironically though franchise players a part of that yearly revenue. If enough of those franchise players decided that they finally couldn't support lack of development attention then it would force the studio to re-think their strategy.

That being said. I'm not suggesting to, nor do I have the expectation that the entire franchise player base will suddenly quit buying the game. It is kind of silly though to suggest that a general boycott won't work 2 seconds before admitting that revenue drives decisions. Also, maybe I read too much into it, but you also kind of indirectly implied that people should support a product that does not satisfy them, or at least not bother criticizing it.

I realize the above is perhaps arguing semantics, but imo the fatalistic attitude, that many of us have been driven to think that we have to accept, probably doesn't help in getting the changes that we want.

[eric7064]

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I an speak from experience as I coach high school baseball.

95% of the the players I have been coaching.....play DD not franchise mode. Most young teens who play sports games are not interested in franchise mode. And I was also making a general statement as today attention spans are no doubt far shorter than when I was growing up.

And you know.....a big reason for that is the sheer amount of choices people have today in terms of what to do.

When I was growing up.....3 channels on TV. One MLB game of the week. It was simply a totally different time.

MNF is when we got game highlights from Sunday.

Just totally different.

Anyway. My son....raising him as old school as I can. And he is into a lot of things most kids his age aren’t. But he is also in the You-Tube/tick tock generation. Devices have taken over for TV’s and even console video gaming. Kids are addicted to their phones.

Anyway getting off topic here and I do not want to derail the thread. But whomever your hanging with teen wise.....it is a minority. Trust me.

The narrative is real.

As a high school teacher/coach myself I can agree with this sentiment.

First off, most ballplayers these days barely know MLB players or know some of the basics of the MLB game. It was quite shocking when I started 2 years ago.

So many people are about individual players now than teams, and I see that with every sport. Some of it may have been driven by the Sport Card games.

All I know is any under 18 show player I have talked to (And they are rare in this generation) is playing DD. That's all they do, in fact when me and my few students who have played the Show talked about it the 1st time, they were shocked I didnt play DD much. All they wanted to know was what diamonds I pulled.

Its crazy, it is because most people around my age were always franchise guys, but weirdly enough I am noticing people my age even turn to DD/MUT more and more as they have less time to commit to a franchise.

We are shrinking gentleman. The franchise boat is sinking, it's been sinking. It's time to admit we have an unplugged hole that we can not fill. We can go down with the ship with honor. Haha

[eric7064]

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Well, you're half right. You said revenue drives development paths which is true. Ironically though franchise players a part of that yearly revenue. If enough of those franchise players decided that they finally couldn't support lack of development attention then it would force the studio to re-think their strategy.

That being said. I'm not suggesting to, nor do I have the expectation that the entire franchise player base will suddenly quit buying the game. It is kind of silly though to suggest that a general boycott won't work 2 seconds before admitting that revenue drives decisions. Also, maybe I read too much into it, but you also kind of indirectly implied that people should support a product that does not satisfy them, or at least not bother criticizing it.

I realize the above is perhaps arguing semantics, but imo the fatalistic attitude, that many of us have been driven to think that we have to accept, probably doesn't help in getting the changes that we want.

In all honesty, as you have rightly pointed out, a boycott would never happen. Secondly, revenue does drive it.

Think of the amount of money they get from stubs. Just imagine it.

If I only play franchise, play 1000 games. I paid $60

Other guy plays only DD, plays 1 game, buys 10k stubs to get his team going.

He paid $70. That guy could never pick up the game again, and he would still be a more valuable customer to SDS.

Now imagine the guys that buy the $120 version, the hundreds to thousands of dollars worth in stubs.

They are more valuable as a customer. Plain and simple.

SDS could probably lose half the sales from MLB 10 the show, and still make more profit because of DD. It's taken over, and I have firmly fallen into the camp of that isnt going to change. We are the minority here at OS.

[Caulfield]

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We are shrinking gentleman. The franchise boat is sinking, it's been sinking. It's time to admit we have an unplugged hole that we can not fill. We can go down with the ship with honor. Haha

I have a 15 year collection of MLB the Show, my Titanic is unsinkable. when the Zombie Apocalypse goes down, I'll be tucked safely in my basement room with a bowl of Cheerios and a spoon and another Show to take my pain away*.

* apologies to the Stones.

[Armor and Sword]

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Well, you're half right. You said revenue drives development paths which is true. Ironically though franchise players a part of that yearly revenue. If enough of those franchise players decided that they finally couldn't support lack of development attention then it would force the studio to re-think their strategy.

That being said. I'm not suggesting to, nor do I have the expectation that the entire franchise player base will suddenly quit buying the game. It is kind of silly though to suggest that a general boycott won't work 2 seconds before admitting that revenue drives decisions. Also, maybe I read too much into it, but you also kind of indirectly implied that people should support a product that does not satisfy them, or at least not bother criticizing it.

I realize the above is perhaps arguing semantics, but imo the fatalistic attitude, that many of us have been driven to think that we have to accept, probably doesn't help in getting the changes that we want.

I have simply lowered my expectations about franchise mode being further refined and developed.

I have not lowered them on gameplay and presentation and that is why some creative decisions for 20, I am simply disagreeing with.

I am not one who speaks, sees nor hears no evil when it comes to The Show.




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[KSUowls]

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In all honesty, as you have rightly pointed out, a boycott would never happen. Secondly, revenue does drive it.

Think of the amount of money they get from stubs. Just imagine it.

If I only play franchise, play 1000 games. I paid $60

Other guy plays only DD, plays 1 game, buys 10k stubs to get his team going.

He paid $70. That guy could never pick up the game again, and he would still be a more valuable customer to SDS.

Now imagine the guys that buy the $120 version, the hundreds to thousands of dollars worth in stubs.

They are more valuable as a customer. Plain and simple.

SDS could probably lose half the sales from MLB 10 the show, and still make more profit because of DD. It's taken over, and I have firmly fallen into the camp of that isnt going to change. We are the minority here at OS.

Oh you're absolutely correct. Businesses want to maximize profits though, and part of that is appealing to as many different customers as possible.
Essentially right now they get to keep all of those $60 one time purchases from MLB the Show 10 while enjoying the additional profits from continuous revenue streams that things like DD offer. A business would not like it if they suddenly lost those legacy customers though. The things that bring in the most revenue will always get the most attention, but maybe it would be nice if they thought that they had to at least do something to retain those legacy customers.

Although rare, there are instances where enough gamers have been outraged by various studio decisions that it forced that studio to alter their focus. Because even with all of the sales that they would get with their original plan it would not be enough to offset all of the lost sales that the plan would generate. Though, I don't think that is ever going to happen with this series. Especially now that they are moving to multi-platform. A guy can dream though.

I have simply lowered my expectations about franchise mode being further refined and developed.

I have not lowered them on gameplay and presentation and that is why some creative decisions for 20, I am simply disagreeing with.

I am not one who speaks, sees nor hears no evil when it comes to The Show.

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Yeah I get that. I almost convinced myself to cave this year and get this year's game with it's official implementation of the rosters we already had every year, and what I thought was going to be some enhancements to the trade system. It's unfortunate that we've had to reset our expectations so low, but it is what it is.

[tessl]

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I have no doubt that part of it is a generational gap, but I also have to wonder how much of it is a complete abandonment of things like Franchise modes. A senior in high school has likely never played Madden 05 with its deepest franchise mode of the series. That same senior hasn't seen a meaningful update to MLB the Show since they were in middle school.

Whatever the generational gap may be, if I as a life long baseball fan who bought at least 1 baseball game every year since the late 90's (until 2017) have stopped buying the game due to lack of franchise attention, then how can I expect the "instant gratification" generation to care about the things you can enjoy in a franchise mode.

I was cleaning out my garage and found a floppy disc copy of micro league baseball in the box. That's how long I've been playing computer baseball games.

This is by far the best franchise mode baseball game when you factor in graphics. There is room for improvement and they sometimes follow bad advice in the changes they make but I buy it to support the developers and keep the game in existence.

[elfdutch]

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I’m also in the minority being a 50 year old offline franchise player only, with classic rosters.

Also have very low expectations of sds improving franchise mode.

This year i will hold out a bit before buying ‘20 as i did not see a lot of new things that appeal to me.
I still really like ‘19 and am just not sure if the new animations are enough for me to buy the new game.

[Bullit]

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Yeah I am pretty much in the same boat.

I am leaning towards picking up '20 because of the rule changes, new stadium in Texas.

The new gameplay additions or mechanics/upgrades whatever you want to call them are nice but I am not convinced they are $60 nice.

Then there is a part of me that looks at the new rules, mechanics and what not and its actually turning me off. There is a really big part of me that is about ready to let go for a bit and just let this game go. I LOVE '19 and have actually barely touched the surface as I struggled with settling in this year. Nothing to do with the game. I have had recurring depression and anxiety issues that have just been causing problems. I have literally started 15 to 20 franchises and keep deleting them and restarting. Honestly Im still having a hard time staying with anything as life has pretty much gone south.

So I may just wait it out. See what you all think. Watch some gameplay vids and look out for a price drop/wait for the 20 or so patches etc. Maybe this will still be a yearly pick up. Just maybe not a day one $60 pickup.

[bronxbombers21325]

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I’m catching up on streams, and man, I miss the days when these streams had actual gameplay in them, and equipment/stadium detail reveals. Now it’s just a bunch of streams talking about card packs it seems. It feels like we’ve seen less gameplay this year than recent years past.

[elfdutch]

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I’m catching up on streams, and man, I miss the days when these streams had actual gameplay in them, and equipment/stadium detail reveals. Now it’s just a bunch of streams talking about card packs it seems. It feels like we’ve seen less gameplay this year than recent years past.

Amen!

I kept scrolling through the vid hoping for some gameplay.
I'm not into the whole card collecting stuff so it was quite underwhelming.

At least the developer tournament is coming up which gives us a lot of gameplay.
Really hope they don't use DD teams, but just the regular mlb teams.