MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

[JWDixon120]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

Question...just picked up '22 and am rolling with the Rockies.

I feel like the White Sox want to be competitive, but there's also talk that they may potentially look to unload Liam Hendricks.

IMO, a good spot to upgrade for Chicago would be at 3B...Moncada was absolutely brutal last year, and, if they're going for it, could be replaced.

I've got Ryan McMahon ($11.6 mil), and they've got Moncada (-$11.7).

I'm assuming the Sox wouldn't go nuts and move Colas ($15.6)+Schultz ($5.9) to make up the difference (Which would still leave it short)?

I think we’ll need some more context here.

If you just picked up ‘22, I’m assuming your using default rosters and playing thru the 2022 season.

If so, whatever happened IRL this year should not affect your franchise. Moncada only has -11.7 value because he struggled IRL last year.

Using baseball trade values isn’t going to really work anymore at this point since there’s a whole year of Data being valued that isn’t reflective of your franchise.

So you’ll need to use the old school method trade calculator which takes into account a players previous WAR, Contract, etc.

If you’re looking for this trade calculator you can search back to I think the MLB ‘20 Trade Thread or look at my list history and download my Franchise Spreadsheet which includes it in there.

[kinsmen7]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

I think we’ll need some more context here.

If you just picked up ‘22, I’m assuming your using default rosters and playing thru the 2022 season.

If so, whatever happened IRL this year should not affect your franchise. Moncada only has -11.7 value because he struggled IRL last year.

Using baseball trade values isn’t going to really work anymore at this point since there’s a whole year of Data being valued that isn’t reflective of your franchise.

So you’ll need to use the old school method trade calculator which takes into account a players previous WAR, Contract, etc.

If you’re looking for this trade calculator you can search back to I think the MLB ‘20 Trade Thread or look at my list history and download my Franchise Spreadsheet which includes it in there.

Sorry-I've got it on PS4, and downloaded a current roster from the vault, with updated service time/contracts/etc., so, in theory, we're rolling in 2023 (Obviously it's still the '22 schedule).

I guess I'm more or less looking for perspective on whether the White Sox would have interest, and if so, would they tie two good prospects on there to make it work? In fairness, Colas is at the bottom of the top 100 prospects, and Schultz isn't even there yet, so it's not as wild and wacky of a return as I previously was worried about, but again, I don't even know whether it's something that I'd be wildly interested in either.

[JWDixon120]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

Sorry-I've got it on PS4, and downloaded a current roster from the vault, with updated service time/contracts/etc., so, in theory, we're rolling in 2023 (Obviously it's still the '22 schedule).

I guess I'm more or less looking for perspective on whether the White Sox would have interest, and if so, would they tie two good prospects on there to make it work? In fairness, Colas is at the bottom of the top 100 prospects, and Schultz isn't even there yet, so it's not as wild and wacky of a return as I previously was worried about, but again, I don't even know whether it's something that I'd be wildly interested in either.

Ah okay that makes more sense.

I’m an NL guy so more familiar with those teams. But personally I don’t think the Sox are willing to lose one of the best closers in baseball these past few years for a 28 YO who hasn’t put up a 100+ OPS+ season playing at Coors. While also having to trade Moncada and additional prospects.

[kinsmen7]

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Ah okay that makes more sense.

I’m an NL guy so more familiar with those teams. But personally I don’t think the Sox are willing to lose one of the best closers in baseball these past few years for a 28 YO who hasn’t put up a 100+ OPS+ season playing at Coors. While also having to trade Moncada and additional prospects.

Yeah, I wouldn't be adding Hendricks, just mentioned that they were reportedly looking to move him, which gave me a bit of pause as to whether they'd be looking to add elsewhere anyway.

I did move Marquez (PHI)/Bard (CHC)/Grichuk (NYM) right off the bat, but I'd like to settle down/in for a month or two and evaluate what I've got before I start ripping things to the studs anyway.

*IF* I do end up falling off the .500 (or so) pace that I'd like to maintain, it'll probably be minor sell-off moves like Kinley/Gomber/Gilbreath, all of whom have sub $10 mil value anyway.

*If* I'm in the wild card hunt, I'd consider packaging Gorman with something to try to upgrade, but I can't imagine that'll happen in the NL West.

[kinsmen7]

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What's everyone's thoughts on a potential Stephen Strasburgh trade? He's healthy in my franchise, but his value is somewhere around -$138 mil.

I'd obviously like to acquire him, but with the inability to retain/send money in this game, the only way to even out the value is by including prospects (which I can't imagine the Nats would have any interest in).

I'm the Rockies, and it's early so there's no real rush to do something foolish, but having a (when healthy) top of the rotation starter that's signed long term would be a huge add for me, especially if I want to try to become semi-competitive in this division.

[JWDixon120]

MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

What's everyone's thoughts on a potential Stephen Strasburgh trade? He's healthy in my franchise, but his value is somewhere around -$138 mil.

I'd obviously like to acquire him, but with the inability to retain/send money in this game, the only way to even out the value is by including prospects (which I can't imagine the Nats would have any interest in).

I'm the Rockies, and it's early so there's no real rush to do something foolish, but having a (when healthy) top of the rotation starter that's signed long term would be a huge add for me, especially if I want to try to become semi-competitive in this division.

Hmmm. I don’t think the Nats would be opposed to shipping prospects off but they definitely would like some back.

Typical rebuilding move from the Nationals IMO. Trade an injury prone veteran eating $$ onto a contender and receive some prospects back.

I think as long as you put some decent prospects in it isn’t out of the question.

[kinsmen7]

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Hmmm. I don’t think the Nats would be opposed to shipping prospects off but they definitely would like some back.

Typical rebuilding move from the Nationals IMO. Trade an injury prone veteran eating $$ onto a contender and receive some prospects back.

I think as long as you put some decent prospects in it isn’t out of the question.

Interesting thought...I wonder if I release him from the Nats (I think the game only makes the team pay like 75% of the remaining contract), then sign him for the same term, and work out the difference in terms of what I sign him for? I feel like that would essentially be the same thing as them sending cash, or maybe I'm an idiot...

Edit: If this theory is correct, his bbtv.com value would change to around -$35ish...I'm fine overpaying a bit in the end if I need to. Only thing I'm a bit wary of is that I traded Marquez away, so the optics/realism of turning around doing this might turn me off a bit. I don't know, I've just never played as the Nats, so I've never been able to use Stras in an actual season.

[JWDixon120]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

Interesting thought...I wonder if I release him from the Nats (I think the game only makes the team pay like 75% of the remaining contract), then sign him for the same term, and work out the difference in terms of what I sign him for? I feel like that would essentially be the same thing as them sending cash, or maybe I'm an idiot...

The funny thing is I’m actually very familiar with the financial side of baseball but everything in MLBTS seems so hard to grasp because there is no clear guide on how they process these things.

OOTP makes this so much easier.

[kinsmen7]

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The funny thing is I’m actually very familiar with the financial side of baseball but everything in MLBTS seems so hard to grasp because there is no clear guide on how they process these things.

OOTP makes this so much easier.

Agree 100%.

A hybrid-combo of MLBTS+OOTP is the absolute dream!

So, here's what I did...I haven't finalized it, and am happy to adjust, but I'm going through it.

The Show's "player release" rules have the Nats paying a total of $47 (ish) mil, by straight up releasing him. Obviously a far cry from the remaining $140ish that he's owed.

I turned around and signed him for 4 x $12 mil, leaving (around) $55 mil out there in the Show abyss.

I'm trying not to screw the CPU over here, and I'm not super worried about the missing money/fact that it affects the Nats less than it should.

Does it seem fair for me to say that Stras's value for the trade is -$48, since that's what I'm paying?

I propose:
WSH: Strasberg ($-138)+James Wood ($57)+$90 mil=$9.50

COL: Gomber ($9)+Beck ($4.6)+Dyan Jorge ($3.4)=$17

My justification here is that the Nats get Gomber to hop in the rotation and eat innings for the next 3 years, and then get two young prospects on the Rockies top 20 list, both of whom have solid upside. Beck was the 38th OA pick last year, and Jorge was an international FA signing in 2022 as well.

From the Nats, Wood is the 3rd best propsect in the Nats organization, and is a long way off right now, but the thought of adding a 6'7''/240 lb monster to my lineup in a few years seems outrageously fun. Perhaps too fun?

Thoughts? Or at least another potential direction to do this?

[JWDixon120]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

Agree 100%.

A hybrid-combo of MLBTS+OOTP is the absolute dream!

So, here's what I did...I haven't finalized it, and am happy to adjust, but I'm going through it.

The Show's "player release" rules have the Nats paying a total of $47 (ish) mil, by straight up releasing him. Obviously a far cry from the remaining $140ish that he's owed.

I turned around and signed him for 4 x $12 mil, leaving (around) $55 mil out there in the Show abyss.

I'm trying not to screw the CPU over here, and I'm not super worried about the missing money/fact that it affects the Nats less than it should.

Does it seem fair for me to say that Stras's value for the trade is -$48, since that's what I'm paying?

I propose:
WSH: Strasberg ($-138)+James Wood ($57)+$90 mil=$9.50

COL: Gomber ($9)+Beck ($4.6)+Dyan Jorge ($3.4)=$17

My justification here is that the Nats get Gomber to hop in the rotation and eat innings for the next 3 years, and then get two young prospects on the Rockies top 20 list, both of whom have solid upside. Beck was the 38th OA pick last year, and Jorge was an international FA signing in 2022 as well.

From the Nats, Wood is the 3rd best propsect in the Nats organization, and is a long way off right now, but the thought of adding a 6'7''/240 lb monster to my lineup in a few years seems outrageously fun. Perhaps too fun?

Thoughts? Or at least another potential direction to do this?

IMO I still don’t live this trade for the nats. They clear up a lot of $$ but since they’re rebuilding they don’t really need it.

If you can find a way to swing this trade without Wood then I think it works. Just doesn’t seem like a very smart play for the Nats to get rid of Wood for Strasburgs contract when they can just let him eat innings for them.

Attaching a prospect like Wood sends the organization a few steps back imo.

[kinsmen7]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

IMO I still don’t live this trade for the nats. They clear up a lot of $$ but since they’re rebuilding they don’t really need it.

If you can find a way to swing this trade without Wood then I think it works. Just doesn’t seem like a very smart play for the Nats to get rid of Wood for Strasburgs contract when they can just let him eat innings for them.

Attaching a prospect like Wood sends the organization a few steps back imo.

I don't disagree at all...adding Wood was greedy.

I'm fairly certain if I want to make this work (I'M GOING TO MAKE IT WORK!!!), I'm going to end up having to accept that I'm going to have to take a substantial loss on it.

My only other thought is to do an attribute adjustment on Strasburg to somewhere around 70-75 OA, which would bring the payment down to $4 ish annually, then re-adjust him when i sign him?

Then we're at around -$16 mil, which, if I send them Carrasco (-$14, expiring contract), plus maybe Gomber+mid level prospect), I'd be overpaying, but to a much lesser extent.

Thoughts?

Edit: I think it's far more likely that the Nats would eat almost 100% of Strasburg's salary than pay to move him. That's my new rationale.

[BarfytheOwl]

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This thread has been dead for a bit but I'm closing in on the deadline in my Jays franchise with the '23 season rosters.

I'm in 3rd in the AL East, 2 games out of 1st, and I'm looking to upgrade my bullpen, since the Kikuchi experiment has failed miserably. I'm targeting 3 relievers, all 3 teams are rebuilding and out of it, I want to know what I'd have to give up to acquire one of them. I also need to find a new outfielder since Springer is out for the year, but I may just roll with Lukes and Horwitz as my emergency options.

Anyway, I'm targeting Scott Barlow from KC, Alexìs Díaz from Cincy, or Camilo Doval from SF. I'm willing to part with anyone but Ricky Tiedemann. I'd prefer to keep Orelvis, Macko and Barriera as well but if I have to let one of them go, I will. Bullpen is more important, and I have other decent INF/SP prospects in the pipeline.

I was hoping to do something like Kloffenstein, Van Eyk and Hiraldo or Jimenez or Machado or maybe Bonilla or Gabriel Martínez as a package.

Any thoughts?

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