MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

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I kind of figured I would have to give up Bo or Manoah to get him! I think I would rather give up Bo and keep my rotation intact. I feel I could plug a hole at SS or make a separate trade to get another rental back for this year until I can think of a long term option. The second deal also allows me to keep Teoscar and Martinez who can replace Bo after this year.

That’s very tempting. I’m going to see how these last few weeks work out. Might be very tempted to trade for Soto. If not I’ll probably still deal for Bell.

Thanks so much for all of your hard work.


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Yeah, only way around it from a "value" perspective is to take back Corbin's contract or something like that. I mean, I'd move Bo in a heartbeat if there was a ready-to-go SS option on the team already, but Orelvis isn't ready, and while Groshans has had a strong start at AAA, I think a)he ends up at 3B, and b)he needs more time in the minors.

Nats have a ton of money, so this probably doesn't work for them, but you could shave $55ish mil off if they tied Corbin to it, with the caveat that rich teams don't trade one of the best players in the league with an anchor attached to him to lower the potential return.

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Yeah, only way around it from a "value" perspective is to take back Corbin's contract or something like that. I mean, I'd move Bo in a heartbeat if there was a ready-to-go SS option on the team already, but Orelvis isn't ready, and while Groshans has had a strong start at AAA, I think a)he ends up at 3B, and b)he needs more time in the minors.

Nats have a ton of money, so this probably doesn't work for them, but you could shave $55ish mil off if they tied Corbin to it, with the caveat that rich teams don't trade one of the best players in the league with an anchor attached to him to lower the potential return.

Let's say Corbin (-55.7) was in the deal, this is what I came up with. He would take a rotation spot, so I would throw Ryu (-17.9) in the deal as well as he is of negative value but his contract comes off the books after 2023. Since you mentioned it would leave a whole at SS, lets also send Alcides Escobar back in the deal, who could fill SS for the rest of the year hitting bottom of the lineup and the deal looks something like this.

Blue Jays Get: Juan Soto (206.7), Patrick Corbin (-55.7) and Alcides Escobar (-0.4)

Nationals Get: SS Bo Bichette (109.7), Hyun-Jin Ryu (-17.9) and Gabriel Moreno (67.1)

TV to Blue Jays: 150.60
TV to Nats: 158.90

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Just wondering about a little prospectc shuffle, looking to move some for positions of need.

What could I get for

Gabriel Arias (69th OA, age 22)
Tyler Freeman (80 OA, age 23)
Nolan Jones
Carson Tucker

Looking for a prospect for prospect swap, or could package a couple.

Need OF, 1B, Maybe C prospects around same value.

Could trade Civale, Rosario, or Plesac too.

Let's start off with establishing baseline values for all the players mentioned and then we can look at possible targets.

Gabriel Arias - 21.8
Tyler Freeman - 23.1
Nolan Jones - 11
Carson Tucker - 2
Aaron Civale - 19.2
Amed Rosario - 8.9
Zach Plesac - 11.9

Now that we have those values, lets make short lists of possible targets at each desired position, will prioritize age and years of control over all as I assuming you are looking to rebuild.

Catcher

Shea Langeliers (OAK) 31.4
Tyler Soderstrom (OAK) 45.2
Luis Campusano (SD) 17.6
Sam Huff (TEX) 7.8
Alejandro Kirk (TOR) 28
William Contreras (ATL) 15.5
Ivan Herrera (STL) 14.9
Austin Wells (NYY) 8.3

I will give reasoning behind each list. Starting with Catchers, I feel like Oakland is in a great spot with two stud catching prospects and they have flexibility to move one of the two. Campusano seemingly gets mentioned in every possible big deal so I don't think he is untouchable. I will say that with the prospects listed, I don't see much of a fit given SD is already flush with infield prospects. Huff offers catcher and first base versatility and is blocked by Nate Lowe and Garver/Heim so he is a great possible chip to acquire at a discounted rate. Kirk is expendable for me as Toronto has Moreno coming very soon and Kirk is prolly my fave target from this list given his age (23), years of control and ratings in game. I included Contreras and Herrera on this list as well, however I admittedly think the chances of either moving are very low as they line-up to be the catchers of the future for both clubs. Wells is interesting because he can play C and OF, and like Huff isn't a huge value to acquire.

First Base

MLB Ready

Ryan Mountcastle (BAL) 19
Juan Yepez (STL) 5
Jose Miranda (MIN) 16.8

Prospects

Coby Mayo (BAL) 17.3
James Wood (SD) 13.6
Miguel Vargas (LAD) 21.9
Vinnie Pasquantino (KC) 17.3


Some solid options here, my favorite on the list is probably Vargas, dude absolutely rakes in AAA, career .315 hitter in minors and is indefinitely blocked at 1B. He also offers some versatility in his ability to play 2B and 3B. Pasquantino is another solid option for a younger guy (24) and is blocked in KC by fellow prospect Nick Pratto. Baltimore is always open to moving players so Mountcastle is probably available for the right price. Mayo is a very young prospect with upside. Yepez and Miranda are currently blocked at the MLB level so it makes sense for them to be trade chips. Wood is a solid prospect, and like campusano always seems to be mentioned in big deals so I get the sense he is available.

Outfield

MLB Ready

OF Kyle Lewis (SEA) 15.2
Jarren Duran (BOS) 14.8
Jesus Sanchez (MIA) 22.6
Trent Grisham (SD) 45.8
Akil Baddoo (DET) 19.9
Jo Adell (LAA) 11.1

Prospects
Michael Harris (ATL) 33.5
Heliot Ramos (SF) 20.6
Luis Matos (SF) 20.2
Andy Pages (LAD) 18.7
Austin Martin (MIN) 21.5
Alex Ramirez (NYM) 19.2
Sal Frelick (MIL) 18
Garrett Mitchell (MIL) 11.1
Joey Wiemer (MIL) 19.2
Pete Crow-Armstrong (CHC) 22.1
Owen Caissie (CHC) 10.9
Kevin Alcantara (CHC) 13.2

Let's start with the prospects for outfield and why some of these players are available in my eyes. The majority of teams mentioned above (SF, NYM, MIL, CHC) have a plethora of outfield depth among their top prospects, however they are lacking middle infielders. Five of the top nine prospects in the Brewers system are outfielders so they have plenty of flexibility. San Francisco is in a similar boat with four of their top eight prospects being outfielders and they are still looking for a potential 2B of the future to run with SS Marco Luciano. The Mets have five of their top eight prospects with either outfield as a primary or positional flexibility and their only middle infielder with significant upside being Ronny Mauricio. Cubs in the same boat with four of top eight being outfielders which makes Crow-Armstrong, Alcantara or Caissie expendable. As for Harris and Pages, they are both blocked at the MLB level, Pages more clearly then Harris.

Moving on to the MLB ready OF bats, I had to include Kyle Lewis in this list as he is a personal fave of mine in game and Seattle has a logjam in the outfield with Lewis, Julio, Kelenic, and Winker.

I also included a handful of young and talented players with question marks at the MLB level with Adell, Duran and Baddoo.

I think Grisham and Sanchez are also available for the right price, as Miami has more OF's coming up soon such as JJ Bleday.

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Let's say Corbin (-55.7) was in the deal, this is what I came up with. He would take a rotation spot, so I would throw Ryu (-17.9) in the deal as well as he is of negative value but his contract comes off the books after 2023. Since you mentioned it would leave a whole at SS, lets also send Alcides Escobar back in the deal, who could fill SS for the rest of the year hitting bottom of the lineup and the deal looks something like this.

Blue Jays Get: Juan Soto (206.7), Patrick Corbin (-55.7) and Alcides Escobar (-0.4)

Nationals Get: SS Bo Bichette (109.7), Hyun-Jin Ryu (-17.9) and Gabriel Moreno (67.1)

TV to Blue Jays: 150.60
TV to Nats: 158.90

This just doesn't make any sense for the Nats. You're trading one of the best players in the league for Bo Bichette and a prospect. I really like Bo, and it's the Jays top prospect, but still. I think it makes even less sense to trade Soto + Corbin than it does to trade Soto alone simply because you're reducing the return by 25%. If I'm trading Juan Soto, I'm squeezing every last drop of value I can get out of him.

Is there even any precedent at all for a trade like this? One of the most valuable young players in the league getting getting moved for an absolute haul?

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This just doesn't make any sense for the Nats. You're trading one of the best players in the league for Bo Bichette and a prospect. I really like Bo, and it's the Jays top prospect, but still. I think it makes even less sense to trade Soto + Corbin than it does to trade Soto alone simply because you're reducing the return by 25%. If I'm trading Juan Soto, I'm squeezing every last drop of value I can get out of him.

Is there even any precedent at all for a trade like this? One of the most valuable young players in the league getting getting moved for an absolute haul?

Exactly, I don't see them attaching Corbin to Soto which is why I didn't include Corbin in my possible options last page but I was just throwing out another option.

[BlueJays09]

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Exactly, I don't see them attaching Corbin to Soto which is why I didn't include Corbin in my possible options last page but I was just throwing out another option.

Thanks very much for the other option. I think I’ll opt with trading the farm along with Bichette for Soto if I make the deal. The deal you suggested a few posts above with the Bichette package will hurt but it would be what is necessary to get someone like Soto. My rotation has been fantastic so I’ll probably opt to not mess with too much of my main roster (swapping Ryu and Corbin).

I’ll probably take back Escobar so I have a SS to fill in this year. Or move Espinal to SS and find a replacement 2B. I’m sure I could find a rental 2B / SS to fill in for this year and sign a FA stop gap until Martinez is ready. I’ve signed Matt Carpenter who’s been playing around the IF and DH. He has been better than Biggio who I had to send down.


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Thanks very much for the other option. I think I’ll opt with trading the farm along with Bichette for Soto if I make the deal. The deal you suggested a few posts above with the Bichette package will hurt but it would be what is necessary to get someone like Soto. My rotation has been fantastic so I’ll probably opt to not mess with too much of my main roster (swapping Ryu and Corbin).

I’ll probably take back Escobar so I have a SS to fill in this year. Or move Espinal to SS and find a replacement 2B. I’m sure I could find a rental 2B / SS to fill in for this year and sign a FA stop gap until Martinez is ready. I’ve signed Matt Carpenter who’s been playing around the IF and DH. He has been better than Biggio who I had to send down.


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Some guys that could make sense at 2B/SS either as a long term piece or a rental I came up with

Josh Rojas (ARZ) 14.8
Brendan Rodgers (COL) 7.5
Whit Merrifield (KC) 3.9
Tucupita Marcano (PIT) 2.6
Brandon Drury (CIN) 0.3
Nick Solak (TEX) 6.5
Amed Rosario (CLE) 8.9

[BlueJays09]

MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

Thanks for that list. Interestingly enough I was looking at Rosario. Maybe pairing him with a power reliever like Karinchak, but not sure I’ll be able to afford it after what I will have to give to get Soto.

I Might have to just go for cheap veterans that I can acquire who are around a 1 value. I would be looking for someone who can make contact and play solid defence at either 2B or SS. Preferably 1 or even 2 year deal. Not worried about salary.

Also, would be willing to take on a less desirable contract along with a prospect for taking the contract. Nothing too serious for term / negative value and not expecting a big prospect back. Again someone who can play solid D and make contact at SS / 2B and could be a veteran. Some examples:

Ahmed (-6.4)
Andrus (-1.6)
Simmons (0)
Iglesias (0.4)
L. Garcia (-1.4)
H. Castro (-0.6)


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Thanks for that list. Interestingly enough I was looking at Rosario. Maybe pairing him with a power reliever like Karinchak, but not sure I’ll be able to afford it after what I will have to give to get Soto.

I Might have to just go for cheap veterans that I can acquire who are around a 1 value. I would be looking for someone who can make contact and play solid defence at either 2B or SS. Preferably 1 or even 2 year deal. Not worried about salary.

Also, would be willing to take on a less desirable contract along with a prospect for taking the contract. Nothing too serious for term / negative value and not expecting a big prospect back. Again someone who can play solid D and make contact at SS / 2B and could be a veteran. Some examples:

Ahmed (-6.4)
Andrus (-1.6)
Simmons (0)
Iglesias (0.4)
L. Garcia (-1.4)
H. Castro (-0.6)


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Solid list here too, I didn't even get a chance to look at negative value guys, but I really like Iglesias from this list. Yeah a Karinchak/Rosario package would be a nice deal. What about this as a possible combo deal? Let's assume this follows the Bo/Moreno for Soto deal and leaves you with Jansen, Collins and Kirk at C.

Blue Jays get: James Karinchak (17.5), C Austin Hedges (-0.3) and Amed Rosario (8.9) TV 26.1
Guardians get: C Danny Jansen and RHP Thomas Hatch (1.4) TV 25.9

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Let's start off with establishing baseline values for all the players mentioned and then we can look at possible targets.

Gabriel Arias - 21.8
Tyler Freeman - 23.1
Nolan Jones - 11
Carson Tucker - 2
Aaron Civale - 19.2
Amed Rosario - 8.9
Zach Plesac - 11.9

Now that we have those values, lets make short lists of possible targets at each desired position, will prioritize age and years of control over all as I assuming you are looking to rebuild.

Catcher

Shea Langeliers (OAK) 31.4
Tyler Soderstrom (OAK) 45.2
Luis Campusano (SD) 17.6
Sam Huff (TEX) 7.8
Alejandro Kirk (TOR) 28
William Contreras (ATL) 15.5
Ivan Herrera (STL) 14.9
Austin Wells (NYY) 8.3

I will give reasoning behind each list. Starting with Catchers, I feel like Oakland is in a great spot with two stud catching prospects and they have flexibility to move one of the two. Campusano seemingly gets mentioned in every possible big deal so I don't think he is untouchable. I will say that with the prospects listed, I don't see much of a fit given SD is already flush with infield prospects. Huff offers catcher and first base versatility and is blocked by Nate Lowe and Garver/Heim so he is a great possible chip to acquire at a discounted rate. Kirk is expendable for me as Toronto has Moreno coming very soon and Kirk is prolly my fave target from this list given his age (23), years of control and ratings in game. I included Contreras and Herrera on this list as well, however I admittedly think the chances of either moving are very low as they line-up to be the catchers of the future for both clubs. Wells is interesting because he can play C and OF, and like Huff isn't a huge value to acquire.

First Base

MLB Ready

Ryan Mountcastle (BAL) 19
Juan Yepez (STL) 5
Jose Miranda (MIN) 16.8

Prospects

Coby Mayo (BAL) 17.3
James Wood (SD) 13.6
Miguel Vargas (LAD) 21.9
Vinnie Pasquantino (KC) 17.3


Some solid options here, my favorite on the list is probably Vargas, dude absolutely rakes in AAA, career .315 hitter in minors and is indefinitely blocked at 1B. He also offers some versatility in his ability to play 2B and 3B. Pasquantino is another solid option for a younger guy (24) and is blocked in KC by fellow prospect Nick Pratto. Baltimore is always open to moving players so Mountcastle is probably available for the right price. Mayo is a very young prospect with upside. Yepez and Miranda are currently blocked at the MLB level so it makes sense for them to be trade chips. Wood is a solid prospect, and like campusano always seems to be mentioned in big deals so I get the sense he is available.

Outfield

MLB Ready

OF Kyle Lewis (SEA) 15.2
Jarren Duran (BOS) 14.8
Jesus Sanchez (MIA) 22.6
Trent Grisham (SD) 45.8
Akil Baddoo (DET) 19.9
Jo Adell (LAA) 11.1

Prospects
Michael Harris (ATL) 33.5
Heliot Ramos (SF) 20.6
Luis Matos (SF) 20.2
Andy Pages (LAD) 18.7
Austin Martin (MIN) 21.5
Alex Ramirez (NYM) 19.2
Sal Frelick (MIL) 18
Garrett Mitchell (MIL) 11.1
Joey Wiemer (MIL) 19.2
Pete Crow-Armstrong (CHC) 22.1
Owen Caissie (CHC) 10.9
Kevin Alcantara (CHC) 13.2

Let's start with the prospects for outfield and why some of these players are available in my eyes. The majority of teams mentioned above (SF, NYM, MIL, CHC) have a plethora of outfield depth among their top prospects, however they are lacking middle infielders. Five of the top nine prospects in the Brewers system are outfielders so they have plenty of flexibility. San Francisco is in a similar boat with four of their top eight prospects being outfielders and they are still looking for a potential 2B of the future to run with SS Marco Luciano. The Mets have five of their top eight prospects with either outfield as a primary or positional flexibility and their only middle infielder with significant upside being Ronny Mauricio. Cubs in the same boat with four of top eight being outfielders which makes Crow-Armstrong, Alcantara or Caissie expendable. As for Harris and Pages, they are both blocked at the MLB level, Pages more clearly then Harris.

Moving on to the MLB ready OF bats, I had to include Kyle Lewis in this list as he is a personal fave of mine in game and Seattle has a logjam in the outfield with Lewis, Julio, Kelenic, and Winker.

I also included a handful of young and talented players with question marks at the MLB level with Adell, Duran and Baddoo.

I think Grisham and Sanchez are also available for the right price, as Miami has more OF's coming up soon such as JJ Bleday.

Arias for Vargas and Plesac+Tucker for Kyle Lewis seem to be like pretty good options

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Let's start off with establishing baseline values for all the players mentioned and then we can look at possible targets.

Gabriel Arias - 21.8
Tyler Freeman - 23.1
Nolan Jones - 11
Carson Tucker - 2
Aaron Civale - 19.2
Amed Rosario - 8.9
Zach Plesac - 11.9

Now that we have those values, lets make short lists of possible targets at each desired position, will prioritize age and years of control over all as I assuming you are looking to rebuild.

Catcher

Shea Langeliers (OAK) 31.4
Tyler Soderstrom (OAK) 45.2
Luis Campusano (SD) 17.6
Sam Huff (TEX) 7.8
Alejandro Kirk (TOR) 28
William Contreras (ATL) 15.5
Ivan Herrera (STL) 14.9
Austin Wells (NYY) 8.3

I will give reasoning behind each list. Starting with Catchers, I feel like Oakland is in a great spot with two stud catching prospects and they have flexibility to move one of the two. Campusano seemingly gets mentioned in every possible big deal so I don't think he is untouchable. I will say that with the prospects listed, I don't see much of a fit given SD is already flush with infield prospects. Huff offers catcher and first base versatility and is blocked by Nate Lowe and Garver/Heim so he is a great possible chip to acquire at a discounted rate. Kirk is expendable for me as Toronto has Moreno coming very soon and Kirk is prolly my fave target from this list given his age (23), years of control and ratings in game. I included Contreras and Herrera on this list as well, however I admittedly think the chances of either moving are very low as they line-up to be the catchers of the future for both clubs. Wells is interesting because he can play C and OF, and like Huff isn't a huge value to acquire.

First Base

MLB Ready

Ryan Mountcastle (BAL) 19
Juan Yepez (STL) 5
Jose Miranda (MIN) 16.8

Prospects

Coby Mayo (BAL) 17.3
James Wood (SD) 13.6
Miguel Vargas (LAD) 21.9
Vinnie Pasquantino (KC) 17.3


Some solid options here, my favorite on the list is probably Vargas, dude absolutely rakes in AAA, career .315 hitter in minors and is indefinitely blocked at 1B. He also offers some versatility in his ability to play 2B and 3B. Pasquantino is another solid option for a younger guy (24) and is blocked in KC by fellow prospect Nick Pratto. Baltimore is always open to moving players so Mountcastle is probably available for the right price. Mayo is a very young prospect with upside. Yepez and Miranda are currently blocked at the MLB level so it makes sense for them to be trade chips. Wood is a solid prospect, and like campusano always seems to be mentioned in big deals so I get the sense he is available.

Outfield

MLB Ready

OF Kyle Lewis (SEA) 15.2
Jarren Duran (BOS) 14.8
Jesus Sanchez (MIA) 22.6
Trent Grisham (SD) 45.8
Akil Baddoo (DET) 19.9
Jo Adell (LAA) 11.1

Prospects
Michael Harris (ATL) 33.5
Heliot Ramos (SF) 20.6
Luis Matos (SF) 20.2
Andy Pages (LAD) 18.7
Austin Martin (MIN) 21.5
Alex Ramirez (NYM) 19.2
Sal Frelick (MIL) 18
Garrett Mitchell (MIL) 11.1
Joey Wiemer (MIL) 19.2
Pete Crow-Armstrong (CHC) 22.1
Owen Caissie (CHC) 10.9
Kevin Alcantara (CHC) 13.2

Let's start with the prospects for outfield and why some of these players are available in my eyes. The majority of teams mentioned above (SF, NYM, MIL, CHC) have a plethora of outfield depth among their top prospects, however they are lacking middle infielders. Five of the top nine prospects in the Brewers system are outfielders so they have plenty of flexibility. San Francisco is in a similar boat with four of their top eight prospects being outfielders and they are still looking for a potential 2B of the future to run with SS Marco Luciano. The Mets have five of their top eight prospects with either outfield as a primary or positional flexibility and their only middle infielder with significant upside being Ronny Mauricio. Cubs in the same boat with four of top eight being outfielders which makes Crow-Armstrong, Alcantara or Caissie expendable. As for Harris and Pages, they are both blocked at the MLB level, Pages more clearly then Harris.

Moving on to the MLB ready OF bats, I had to include Kyle Lewis in this list as he is a personal fave of mine in game and Seattle has a logjam in the outfield with Lewis, Julio, Kelenic, and Winker.

I also included a handful of young and talented players with question marks at the MLB level with Adell, Duran and Baddoo.

I think Grisham and Sanchez are also available for the right price, as Miami has more OF's coming up soon such as JJ Bleday.

I cant edit, but what do you think of those deals.

Lewis is a good okay now fit, and security blanket incase Valera doesn't pan out, and Vargas age and skill set fills our need for a talented corner bat

Still keep Gimenez, Freeman, Rocchio, Jones and even Owen Miller.

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Arias for Vargas and Plesac+Tucker for Kyle Lewis seem to be like pretty good options

I like both of those deals!

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I like both of those deals!

Yeah, it seems to work out well for mem Vargas gives us a good corner bat, keep the higher upside MIF Gimenez, Rocchio, and Freeman, and the depth guys like Jones and Miller or could move Jones and Miller for other help.

The Lewis trade gives us an OF of Kwan, Lewis, Straw, Naylor until Valeria is ready and Naylor can DH or play the 1B again.

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Yeah, it seems to work out well for mem Vargas gives us a good corner bat, keep the higher upside MIF Gimenez, Rocchio, and Freeman, and the depth guys like Jones and Miller or could move Jones and Miller for other help.

The Lewis trade gives us an OF of Kwan, Lewis, Straw, Naylor until Valeria is ready and Naylor can DH or play the 1B again.

Yeah, I am a big fan of Lewis. Using Seattle in my chise and he absolutely rakes. Before the season when I was considering moving him, I actually looked at Plesac as values lined up really good. Good thing I didn't do the deal bc in my chise, Lewis has 9 HRs and 28 RBIs and Plesac is off to a 0-5 start with a 6.63 ERA.

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Yeah, I am a big fan of Lewis. Using Seattle in my chise and he absolutely rakes. Before the season when I was considering moving him, I actually looked at Plesac as values lined up really good. Good thing I didn't do the deal bc in my chise, Lewis has 9 HRs and 28 RBIs and Plesac is off to a 0-5 start with a 6.63 ERA.

I actually lucked out in my 2022 draft, got a 21 year old 1B with B potential and contact stats in the 60s, I still may make the Lewis trade, but the Vargas trade doesn't seem as dire now, and I could use Arias as an asset in another move.

The Lewis move still helps make MIF room and room for Espino or Gavin Williams in the Rotation at the end of 2022 or start or 2023.