MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

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Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

Using the Rockies and 2B has been a bit of a black hole for me...any feedback on the following options to take over at second? Also open to any other ideas y'all have

Rockies Get: Gleyber Torres, Aaron Hicks
Yankees Get: Charlie Blackmon

Yankees get out of the last 4 years of Aaron Hicks' contract ($40M over the next 4 years) and take on the last 2 years of Blackmon's deal ($39M over 2 years). Blackmon gives the Yankees another left-handed bat in a right-hand heavy lineup.

Rockies Get: Vidal Brujan
Rays Get: Willie MacIver (C), Ryan Rolison (LHP), Elehuris Montero (1B/3B)

Brujan might be a little logjammed with Wander, Lowe, and Walls, but he's still a high-level prospect. Rolison is an MLB-ready lefty and Montero is one of the Rockies' top 5 prospects because of his bat. MacIver is a throw-in at catcher who somehow the Rays could do something with. This trade is probably hard to pull off because of Brujan's value and the Rays' lack of bad contracts, but I could probably throw someone like Michael Toglia or Ryan Vilade into the deal as well.

Rockies Get: Cavan Biggio, CJ Van Eyk
Blue Jays Get: Peter Lambert, Hunter Goodman

Biggio is done in Toronto and I like Van Eyk's arm. Toronto gets Lambert who's close to the big leagues and could be a bottom of the rotation arm. Goodman is a young catching prospect who could work his way up to the bigs because of a ton of raw power.

Rockies Get: Nicky Lopez
Royals Get: Ryan Vilade, Colton Welker

Lopez could probably thrive with the huge outfield at Coors, hitting a ton of doubles and playing great defense at 2nd, but they probably see him as the middle infield of the future with Witt as they move on from Mondesi. Vilade and Welker are two guys who could be in the Majors in the immediate future and take over for some of the older guys on the Royals.

Rockies Get:Keston Hiura
Brewers Get:Alan Trejo

Hiura could probably use a change of scenery. He has almost no value to Milwaukee with Urias, Wong, and Adames planted in the middle infield. Someone like Trejo goes the other way just to give Milwaukee some depth at SS/2B.

I will do my best here based off of using Baseballtradevalues site.

Starting with the Gleyber deal

Rockies Get: Gleyber Torres (9.5 TV) and Aaron Hicks (-32.6 TV)
Yankees Get: Charlie Blackmon (-20 TV)

So total value leans towards yankees -20 as opposed to -23.1 that would be headed to COL. Pretty close value which makes it a fair deal in my mind, however if you wanted to get closer to dead even values, the only options you would have are to throw C Elias Diaz (-3.5), Antonio Senzatela (-2.7) or take back a yankees player with a value around 2.5-4 TV. Those options would include C Ben Rortvedt (3.5), RHP Marinaccio (2.5) RHP Lange (2.7) or LHP Sears (2.4).

Moving on to Rockies-Rays deal

Rockies Get: Vidal Brujan (16.2)
Rays Get: MacIver (0.7), Rolison (4.3) and Montero (8.5)

Again a close deal, here as 16.2 TV going to Rockies and 13.5 going to Tampa. I would try and even this out more personally as Brujan is a solid piece and I would re-arrange some of the pieces going back to Tampa. Depending on the spot in the season and whether you are looking towards the future or trying to contend one option that makes logical sense if Tampa is in contention for me is to include CJ Cron who would be a massive upgrade over Choi at 1B for the rays. However, that only makes sense if you are trying to rebuild more then contend.

I do like the inclusion of Rolison as it makes sense with what TB usually looks for in a trade, which is a solid mlb ready arm.

If you were to include Cron, I think this works

Rockies Get: Vidal Brujan (16.2)
Rays Get: CJ Cron (8.6), LHP Helcris Olivarez (1.1), 3B Colton Welker (2.4), Rolison (4.3)

This value comes out to 16.2 to Colorado and Tampa receives 16.4 so pretty much a draw.

Assuming Cron stays and you are looking to contend and give up expendable prospects, I would suggest this.

Rockies Get: Vidal Brujan (16.2)
[B]Rays Get: Rolison (4.3), Vilade (7.3), RHP Jaden Hill (3.8) and MacIver (.7)

This gives TB two young arms coming back in the deal which based on their trade history is their top desired need usually bc of the flexibility that it gives them. I think their infield prospect cupboard is well stocked and Vilade makes a lot of sense bc of the need for OF depth and prospects IMO.

Going on to your third trade with the Blue Jays

Rockies Get: Cavan Biggio (2.7) and CJ Van Eyk (2.7)
Blue Jays Get: Peter Lambert (3.8) and Hunter Goodman (1.6)

Dead even trade with 5.4 value heading to both teams, the trade makes sense for the most part, only part that I might switch is sending a different prospect back other then Goodman as the Jays are loaded at catcher with Kirk, Jensen and Moreno coming.

Royals deal next

Rockies Get: Nicky Lopez (9.9)
Royals Get: Ryan Vilade (7.6) and Colton Welker (2.4)

9.9 TV headed to Colorado while KC receives 10.0, another great deal here that makes sense for both teams.

Lastly, we have the Hiura deal

Rockies Get:Keston Hiura (0)
Brewers Get: Alan Trejo (0)

Perfect change of scenery spot for Hiura and for a bat-first player like Hiura it makes Colorado almost the perfect spot for him to land because its a spot where he can just flat out rake.

Hopefully, you like the response, I tried to go from realism and use the trade values to make it a good write-up.

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Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

So as the Nationals, I'm considering moving Soto. Now I've only just begun the season, so I still have plenty of time, but I'm most likely going for a rebuild. I've scouted the other teams and come up with a list of players for each team that I'd be willing to discuss in trade. And I just want to add that obviously not all of these players would be attainable in the same package.

Yankees: Luis Gil, Deivi Garcia, Oswald Peraza, Anthony Volpe, Trey Sweeney, Miguel Andujar (more as a throw-in), Jasson Dominguez, Estevan Florial, Everson Pereira,

White Sox: Jake Burger, Andrew Vaughn, Oscar Colas, Gavin Sheets, Jonathan Stiever, Micker Adolfo

Mariners: Kyle Lewis, Jarred Kelenic, Noelvi Marte, Andres Munoz, Matt Brash, Emerson Hancock, George Kirby

Rangers: Jack Leiter, Cole Winn, Yohel Pozo, Justin Foscue, Josh Jung, Willie Calhoun, Ezequiel Duran, Bubba Thompson

Dodgers: Dustin May, Ryan Pepoit, Bobby Miller, Brusdar Graterol, Gavin Lux, Michael Busch, Kody Hoese, Andy Pages

Padres: MacKenzie Gore, Adrian Morejon, Ryan Weathers, C.J. Abrams, Robert Hassell, James Wood

I'm sure there are some names that are more than attainable, but they are young and/or controllable and still have potential for a rebuilding team. I do generally stay away from specific prospects that are really of no use to me, like catcher, given the presence of Keibert Ruiz. I also like to get prospects that are MLB-ready so I have a chance to actually use them as I play every game.

Going to go off of Baseball trade values and try to come up with some good deals for you to consider. Lets lay the framework of a deal out here with Soto's value currently at 206.7 TV according to baseball trade values. I will say that it will hardly impossible to reach that value without completely gutting a team's future.

Given Soto's age and upside still, I think any deal that has Soto to NYY starts with Volpe off the rip, I don't think Washington even picks up the phone if Volpe isn't in it.

I will probably have to consider adding some other prospects not specifically on your list to add into deals to try and bring value closer.

Yankees Potential offers

Yankees Get: Juan Soto (206.7)
Nationals Get: SS Anthony Volpe (55.4), OF Everson Pereira (16.8), SP Deivi Garcia (1), OF Jasson Dominguez (13.6), SS Trey Sweeney (7.8), SP Luis Gil (5.8)

That group above gives you only 100.6 value, well short of the 206.7 that Soto is worth.

Others to consider adding in
SP Jordan Montgomery (25.6)
SP Waldichuk (5.9)
SP Medina (6.9)
C/OF Austin Wells (8.3)

Personally, I don't see the realism here in Seattle going after Soto and gutting the farm and spending huge for Soto. I can't imagine they would give another massive deal after the Cano one ended so badly. On that note, they might be the closest to having enough prospect value to get it done to make it happen. I will say having played in game with the Mariners in my own franchise, I would rather have Gilbert then Kirby in the deal.

Mariners Get: Juan Soto (206.7)
Nationals Get: SS Noelvi Marte (62.6), SP George Kirby (49.9), OF Jared Kelenic (45.8), OF Kyle Lewis (15.2), SP Matt Brash (19.4), RHP Andres Munoz (10.1)

Total value comes out almost even with 206.7 to Seattle and 203 to Washington. I think in this deal Washington prolly asks for one more prospect, someone along the lines of SP Levi Stoudt (4.6), SP Adam Macko (4.1) or SS Arroyo (3.3)

I reviewed the White Sox prospects mentioned in your list but besides Vaughn there isn't anyone else with a decent TV worth being included in a deal for Soto. They don't have the ammo needed to make a deal here.

Rangers Deal

Rangers Get: Juan Soto (206.7)
Nationals Get: 3B Josh Jung (38), SP Jack Leiter (37.4), 2B Ezequiel Duran (18.5), SP Cole Winn (17.3)

after those four headliners, its a nose dive in values on the remaining players to where you would be at a -80 to -90 loss in value. Rangers don't have enough ammo to make the deal happen and I can't see them swinging it after dishing out the massive deals to seager and semien (which looks awful now).

Moving on to the Dodgers

The list that you included doesn't include the Dodgers most valuable prospect which is C Cartaya who is the only player in your list who has any substantive value at 41.4. For this reason, I would count the Dodgers out here as there are already better deals available.

Finally, we have the Padres

Padres Get: Juan Soto (206.7)
Nationals Get: SS CJ Abrams (63.9), SP Adrian Morejon (6.6), MacKenzie Gore (28.8), OF Robert Hassell (38.7), 1B James Wood (13.6) and SP Ryan Weathers (7.7)

This is your entire list and it comes out to 159.3, short of the 206.7 by Soto but still a great package here. I will add a suggestion here for adding OF Trent Grisham to the deal. He comes with a hefty 45.8 TV and is still young enough to be a key contributor for your rebuild and offers years of control thru 2025. Adding Grisham makes sense for a lot of reasons in my opinion because he offers elite defense, youth and years of control. Worst off, you take Grisham back in the deal which brings the value to 205.1 going to Washington and 206.7 to SD, and then you can move him later on in your franchise for a prospect haul. Or you could take Grisham back in this deal then re-route him somewhere else (ala NYY) for more of your targeted prospects on your target list.

Possible Grisham flip to NYY after Soto trade

Yankees Get: OF Trent Grisham (45.8)
Nationals Get: SP Luis Gil (5.8), SP Deivi Garcia (1) SS Oswald Peraza (21.2) and OF Everson Pereira (16.8)

45.8 TV to NYY, 44.8 to WAS

I would say that Seattle or San Diego offers the most bang for your buck. If you took the Padres deal here and then flipped Grisham it would essentially be this.

Going Out: Juan Soto 206.7
Coming In SS CJ Abrams (63.9), SS Oswald Peraza (21.2), OF Robert Hassell (38.7), OF Everson Pereira (16.8), 1B James Wood (13.6), SP Adrian Morejon (6.6), SP MacKenzie Gore (28.8), SP Luis Gil (5.8), SP Deivi Garcia (1), SP Ryan Weathers (7.7)

So many options with trade versatility going forward and those deals give you a massive core to build around and nets you 10 players from your target list.

[dickey1331]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

In real life the Rangers wouldn’t give up their best 2 pitching prospects and their future 3B.


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Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

In real life the Rangers wouldn’t give up their best 2 pitching prospects and their future 3B.

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I think if the Rangers were serious about Soto they would give up those three in a heartbeat to get Soto if you were to get a long-term deal done. However, I think the Rangers are less of a fit bc I just can't see them doling out another big deal.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

In real life the Rangers wouldn’t give up their best 2 pitching prospects and their future 3B.


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For Juan Soto? I think they might.

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[Jeffrey Smith]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

I think if the Rangers were serious about Soto they would give up those three in a heartbeat to get Soto if you were to get a long-term deal done. However, I think the Rangers are less of a fit bc I just can't see them doling out another big deal.

I mean, if they want to compete they would have to soon or later.

Realistically they pulled a Phillies move and started signing players before the rebuild was ready.


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[Mackrel829]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

In real life the Rangers wouldn’t give up their best 2 pitching prospects and their future 3B.


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For one of the best players in baseball?

I think they probably would lol.

[kinsmen7]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

I mean, if they want to compete they would have to soon or later.

Realistically they pulled a Phillies move and started signing players before the rebuild was ready.


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I am 100% behind moving every prospect that the Jays have to get Soto. Every. Single. One.

[jcar0725]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

I am 100% behind moving every prospect that the Jays have to get Soto. Every. Single. One.

I'll provide another perspective. Soto is an absolute monster. The nationals are terrible even WITH Soto. Baseball is the ultimate team sport. I would not trade a handful of top almost ready MLB prospects for one guy. If i'm the Jays? yeah I would do it because you already are contending and Soto can take you over the top. If I'm Texas? No way do I make 3 top prospects for Soto trade.

[BlueJays09]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

I am 100% behind moving every prospect that the Jays have to get Soto. Every. Single. One.

Speaking of the Jays. What would it take from Toronto to get Soto? From the discussed possibilities above, it seems like Sotos value is so high it’s hard to make matches via the trade value website. I think the Jays and Padres could have the pieces to make it work. I don’t know if it’s something I would look to do in my franchise but it’s worth exploring.


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Speaking of the Jays. What would it take from Toronto to get Soto? From the discussed possibilities above, it seems like Sotos value is so high it’s hard to make matches via the trade value website. I think the Jays and Padres could have the pieces to make it work. I don’t know if it’s something I would look to do in my franchise but it’s worth exploring.


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For fun, I did some researching on this scenario, there are some options to make a deal feasible, however, I will say to acquire someone like Soto it goes without saying that you will need to give up some talent. Here are a few possible deals.

#1

Triple M Headliner Package

Blue Jays Get: Juan Soto (206.7)
Nats Get: SP Alek Manoah (97.7), C Gabriel Moreno (67.1), IF Orelvis Martinez (34.4), OF Teoscar Hernandez (6.9)

TV - 206.7 to Jays and 206.1 to Nats

I start with this deal because I think Washington asks for one of the Jays best young players, and given Vladdy is off the table, I pivot to Manoah who gives the Nats a potential ace long-term and they also get two top tier prospects in Martinez and Moreno. Orelvis can play either 2B or SS going forward and that slots nicely in the long-term future for Washington. Now, I admit I struggled with the fit for Moreno as the Nats already have Keibert behind the dish, however I go with the strategy of talent over position. With Moreno, he gives the Nats another big trade piece to either land more MLB ready players or a slew of prospects to further spread out their long-term needs going forward. In this scenario, I would say Washington ends up flipping him somewhere else for another high end prospect of similar value or a package of prospects. And Finally, including Teoscar who Soto will replace gives the Nats a veteran to place in the lineup and helps shed some salary for the Jays.

#2

Bo Goes

Blue Jays Get: Juan Soto (206.7)
Nats Get: SS Bo Bichette (109.7), C Gabriel Moreno (67.1), LHP Ricky Tiedemann (11.7), 3B Jordan Groshans (14), and SP Nate Pearson (9.1)

TV 206.7 to Jays
TV 211.6 to Nats

I think the most-likely headliner in a deal for Soto to Toronto features Bo, as I feel like Manoah is the closer of the two to be off-limits in addition to Vladdy. Nats get two controllable arms with upside in Jays top pitching prospect with Tiedemann and a chance to tap into the potential with Pearson. For the same reasons mentioned above, I think Moreno is in any potential deal. Either can keep him long-term, but once again I think the move would be to flip him in a seperate deal. Groshans gives them a bat to potentially lock down the 3B of the future role. Bichette gives them a new face of the franchise and could potentially form a nice young core of an infield with Groshans and Brady House going forward.

[BlueJays09]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

For fun, I did some researching on this scenario, there are some options to make a deal feasible, however, I will say to acquire someone like Soto it goes without saying that you will need to give up some talent. Here are a few possible deals.

#1

Triple M Headliner Package

Blue Jays Get: Juan Soto (206.7)
Nats Get: SP Alek Manoah (97.7), C Gabriel Moreno (67.1), IF Orelvis Martinez (34.4), OF Teoscar Hernandez (6.9)

TV - 206.7 to Jays and 206.1 to Nats

I start with this deal because I think Washington asks for one of the Jays best young players, and given Vladdy is off the table, I pivot to Manoah who gives the Nats a potential ace long-term and they also get two top tier prospects in Martinez and Moreno. Orelvis can play either 2B or SS going forward and that slots nicely in the long-term future for Washington. Now, I admit I struggled with the fit for Moreno as the Nats already have Keibert behind the dish, however I go with the strategy of talent over position. With Moreno, he gives the Nats another big trade piece to either land more MLB ready players or a slew of prospects to further spread out their long-term needs going forward. In this scenario, I would say Washington ends up flipping him somewhere else for another high end prospect of similar value or a package of prospects. And Finally, including Teoscar who Soto will replace gives the Nats a veteran to place in the lineup and helps shed some salary for the Jays.

#2

Bo Goes

Blue Jays Get: Juan Soto (206.7)
Nats Get: SS Bo Bichette (109.7), C Gabriel Moreno (67.1), LHP Ricky Tiedemann (11.7), 3B Jordan Groshans (14), and SP Nate Pearson (9.1)

TV 206.7 to Jays
TV 211.6 to Nats

I think the most-likely headliner in a deal for Soto to Toronto features Bo, as I feel like Manoah is the closer of the two to be off-limits in addition to Vladdy. Nats get two controllable arms with upside in Jays top pitching prospect with Tiedemann and a chance to tap into the potential with Pearson. For the same reasons mentioned above, I think Moreno is in any potential deal. Either can keep him long-term, but once again I think the move would be to flip him in a seperate deal. Groshans gives them a bat to potentially lock down the 3B of the future role. Bichette gives them a new face of the franchise and could potentially form a nice young core of an infield with Groshans and Brady House going forward.

I kind of figured I would have to give up Bo or Manoah to get him! I think I would rather give up Bo and keep my rotation intact. I feel I could plug a hole at SS or make a separate trade to get another rental back for this year until I can think of a long term option. The second deal also allows me to keep Teoscar and Martinez who can replace Bo after this year.

That’s very tempting. I’m going to see how these last few weeks work out. Might be very tempted to trade for Soto. If not I’ll probably still deal for Bell.

Thanks so much for all of your hard work.


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[dickey1331]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

For one of the best players in baseball?

I think they probably would lol.

The Rangers have already tried getting the best player in baseball with no pitching and it doesn’t work out. I highly doubt they trade their best 2 pitching prospects for more hitting.


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Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

The Rangers have already tried getting the best player in baseball with no pitching and it doesn’t work out. I highly doubt they trade their best 2 pitching prospects for more hitting.


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Rangers would do whatever it took to get Soto if he was interested in playing there imo.

[DubsHuskyTV]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Trade Discussion Thread

Just wondering about a little prospectc shuffle, looking to move some for positions of need.

What could I get for

Gabriel Arias (69th OA, age 22)
Tyler Freeman (80 OA, age 23)
Nolan Jones
Carson Tucker

Looking for a prospect for prospect swap, or could package a couple.

Need OF, 1B, Maybe C prospects around same value.

Could trade Civale, Rosario, or Plesac too.