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  • jcar0725
    "ADAPT OR DIE"
    • Aug 2010
    • 3819

    #31
    Re: Has something changed in hitting?

    Originally posted by djflock
    So here's the thing people miss. Like if I am playing and I strike out 5 times one game and then 11 the next, cool. But if I strike out 15 times for 2 games in a row, I know I need to adjust sliders. That's not simulating up and downs of baseball. I also don't need to play 20 more games to get a sample size. I just need to some balancing slider wise.

    What im pushing back against is people who equate sample size , irl baseball and sample size in MLB the show.

    And yes, the OP along with 6 other ppl are expressing what they are seeing has changed meanwhile someone is saying it's the game simulating the ebbs and flows of baseball and to just play more to get a bigger sample size?
    No disrespect but I think what some of us are saying is for example, I have all my sliders at default playing on all star plus and I don't see that issue at all. So it's hard for me to understand how changing a slider makes the game playable for one, while another is seeing great results without changing one slider.......there HAS to be some other reason than the sliders. I'm not saying this at all to be a jerk I really wonder how the results can be so radical and different from one player to another.
    Last edited by jcar0725; 04-18-2023, 05:00 PM.
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    • SmashMan
      All Star
      • Dec 2004
      • 9711

      #32
      Re: Has something changed in hitting?

      Originally posted by jcar0725
      No disrespect but I think what some of us are saying is for example, I have all my sliders at default playing on all star plus and I don't see that issue at all. So it's hard for me to understand how changing a slider makes the game playable for one, while another is seeing great results without changing on slider.......there HAS to be some other reason than the sliders. I'm not saying this at all to be a jerk I really wonder how the results can be so radical and different from one player to another.
      Well, some of us play on default All-Star and swing at A LOT of junk.

      We all play differently and no slider adjustment is going to work for everyone. It's why I'd recommend playing at default sliders at whatever difficulty, get a feel for it, and go thru the ups and downs. If you see a trend, then adjust accordingly afterwards.

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      • countryboy
        Growing pains
        • Sep 2003
        • 52728

        #33
        Has something changed in hitting?

        Originally posted by djflock
        So here's the thing people miss. Like if I am playing and I strike out 5 times one game and then 11 the next, cool. But if I strike out 15 times for 2 games in a row, I know I need to adjust sliders. That's not simulating up and downs of baseball. I also don't need to play 20 more games to get a sample size. I just need to some balancing slider wise.

        What im pushing back against is people who equate sample size , irl baseball and sample size in MLB the show.

        And yes, the OP along with 6 other ppl are expressing what they are seeing has changed meanwhile someone is saying it's the game simulating the ebbs and flows of baseball and to just play more to get a bigger sample size?

        But there are just as many who haven’t seen any changes.

        If the op feels a change is necessary to find the same enjoyment then he should do it .

        He asked a question and some responded with their experience and thoughts.

        Trying to make this a who’s right, who’s wrong scenario is pointless.


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        • jcar0725
          "ADAPT OR DIE"
          • Aug 2010
          • 3819

          #34
          Re: Has something changed in hitting?

          Originally posted by SmashMan
          Well, some of us play on default All-Star and swing at A LOT of junk. [emoji38]

          We all play differently and no slider adjustment is going to work for everyone. It's why I'd recommend playing at default sliders at whatever difficulty, get a feel for it, and go thru the ups and downs. If you see a trend, then adjust accordingly afterwards.
          Its the low change up, gets me way more often than I'd like to admit.

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          • djflock
            Pro
            • Sep 2022
            • 645

            #35
            Re: Has something changed in hitting?

            Originally posted by jcar0725
            No disrespect but I think what some of us are saying is for example, I have all my sliders at default playing on all star plus and I don't see that issue at all. So it's hard for me to understand how changing a slider makes the game playable for one, while another is seeing great results without changing on slider.......there HAS to be some other reason than the sliders. I'm not saying this at all to be a jerk I really wonder how the results can be so radical and different from one player to another.
            I play on Legend. For example, I have to put my pitcher control down to 1 because I would never walk a batter otherwise. So that's why sliders are there. Because we all have different skill levels.

            But more than that, people are saying they are seeing different hit types. For instance, I was not allowing ANY homers. Kept moving CPU power up every couple games I was not giving up a homer. Post patch - Ive given up a ton of home runs with good pitchers and literally every mistake has been crushed. So I needed to move the power slider down a notch for the cpu.

            Another example , something I've noticed about prior mlbts is like with default power slider, I will hit a decent amount of homers. But these homers will ALL be distributed to my power hitters above a certain rating, Say 65 power. And it's like anyone under that number will have no homers. Now if I up that power slider than I can get anyone to hit a homer but now there's too many homers. So I have to tinker with solid hits, timing sliders etc to get a good balance.

            But just my point about when ppl mention how the game simulates ups and downs, I can see after about 5 games if I have not hit a homer that I will be last in the league homers. Like in my experience, playing multiple 162's, im not gonna all of sudden lead the league in homers now.

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            • djflock
              Pro
              • Sep 2022
              • 645

              #36
              Re: Has something changed in hitting?

              Originally posted by countryboy
              But there are just as many who haven’t seen any changes.

              If the op feels a change is necessary to find the same enjoyment then he should do it .

              He asked a question and some responded with their experience and thoughts.

              Trying to make this a who’s right, who’s wrong scenario is pointless.


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              lol for sure, these threads are always destined to end here because someone is going to say they feel a change and some say they don't lol

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              • SmashMan
                All Star
                • Dec 2004
                • 9711

                #37
                Re: Has something changed in hitting?

                Originally posted by djflock
                So here's the thing people miss. Like if I am playing and I strike out 5 times one game and then 11 the next, cool. But if I strike out 15 times for 2 games in a row, I know I need to adjust sliders. That's not simulating up and downs of baseball. I also don't need to play 20 more games to get a sample size. I just need to some balancing slider wise.
                In this example I think it would depend most on why you stuck out, no? If you're not always patient and swing at a ton of crap (definitely not me, nope) then adjusting sliders isn't going to be the solution. If it's something where the CPU is hitting spots too well then yeah - though I'd also balance that against who the pitcher was and his ratings, etc.

                I don't think people need a full season as a sample size or anything, but more than a few games? Yeah. Because sometimes you just hit a bump and can work through it.

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                • bcruise
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 23274

                  #38
                  Re: Has something changed in hitting?

                  Originally posted by djflock
                  So here's the thing people miss. Like if I am playing and I strike out 5 times one game and then 11 the next, cool. But if I strike out 15 times for 2 games in a row, I know I need to adjust sliders. That's not simulating up and downs of baseball. I also don't need to play 20 more games to get a sample size. I just need to some balancing slider wise.

                  What im pushing back against is people who equate sample size , irl baseball and sample size in MLB the show.

                  And yes, the OP along with 6 other ppl are expressing what they are seeing has changed meanwhile someone is saying it's the game simulating the ebbs and flows of baseball and to just play more to get a bigger sample size?
                  7 teams are tied for the most strikeouts in a game this season, with 19 strikeouts. The first three are the Cincinnati Reds on August 27, the Washington Nationals on July 28 and the Texas Rangers on July 12.


                  Got news for you - striking out 15 times in a game (or more!) isn't all that unrealistic anymore. It's already happened 13 times in this extremely young season. Houston is responsible for both a 16 and 17 K game already, creating the same scenario you've come up with - in back to back days even - the 7th and the 8th of April. K's are absolutely off the charts these days.

                  And while this also is a small sample size argument, those big numbers that have already been recorded aren't going to go away. They mix with lower 5 and 6 K games to probably create an average of 7-10 per game over the course of the full season. That's how averages work.

                  If it continues, yes absolutely change SOMETHING (although I'd look to decrease the difficulty first before fine-tuning with sliders, your call though). But you have to give it more time than 2 games to see if there are trends in either direction.
                  Last edited by bcruise; 04-18-2023, 06:04 PM.

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                  • bronxbombers21325
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 3058

                    #39
                    Re: Has something changed in hitting?

                    In my comment, I wasn’t even talking about sliders. I was just pointing out that his cold streak likely has nothing to do with something being changed in the patch, and everything to do with him entering a cold spell in franchise. If Benny had a setting that he was having results he was happy with prior to the patch dropping, then the most likely explanation is that it is just a cold streak that he will come out of with more games. Obviously if the game isn’t playing like you like at the beginning then yes sliders need to be adjusted, if you want to go that route.

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                    • djflock
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2022
                      • 645

                      #40
                      Re: Has something changed in hitting?

                      Originally posted by bcruise
                      https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/mos...me-this-season

                      Got news for you - striking out 15 times in a game (or more!) isn't all that unrealistic anymore. It's already happened 13 times in this extremely young season. Houston is responsible for both a 16 and 17 K game already, creating the same scenario you've come up with - in back to back days even - the 7th and the 8th of April. K's are absolutely off the charts these days.

                      And while this also is a small sample size argument, those big numbers that have already been recorded aren't going to go away. They mix with lower 5 and 6 K games to probably create an average of 7-10 per game over the course of the full season. That's how averages work.

                      If it continues, yes absolutely change SOMETHING (although I'd look to decrease the difficulty first before fine-tuning with sliders, your call though). But you have to give it more time than 2 games to see if there are trends in either direction.
                      The point is im not going to strike out 15 times because the game is simulating the ebbs and flows of real life. It's because I am doing something wrong as a user which I can change or I will need to adjust the sliders. Like if I strikeout that much, im NOT going to have any 5 or 6 k games to balance things out. When I play 5 games and hit 1 homer, I don't then have a 5 game stretch where I hit 20 homers.

                      I can't with these forums lol I threw out a random 30 k game for arguments sake and there was a page of post making fun of 30 k's. I bring it down to 15 , for arguments sake, and then someone is telling team one team struck out 15 times before lol

                      I also don't get your difficulty argument. If I am striking out to much, isn't that what the contact slider is there for? To make contact.

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                      • PVarck31
                        Moderator
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16869

                        #41
                        Re: Has something changed in hitting?

                        I was hitting very well for a while. Then when the patch came out, It's like I can't buy a hit. Slow grounders, pop ups, weak contact all around. Scored a total of 3 runs in four games today.

                        However, It happens. I'm not convinced the patch did anything. I'll report back after my next for games over the next day or two.

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                        • bronxbombers21325
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 3058

                          #42
                          Re: Has something changed in hitting?

                          Originally posted by PVarck31
                          I was hitting very well for a while. Then when the patch came out, It's like I can't buy a hit. Slow grounders, pop ups, weak contact all around. Scored a total of 3 runs in four games today.

                          However, It happens. I'm not convinced the patch did anything. I'll report back after my next for games over the next day or two.
                          My game earlier tonight, I scored 6 runs on 11 hits with 2 homers. Played the Rangers. They scored 4 on 8 hits with one homer. That was pretty close to my typical offensive results. The CPU was actually more competitive than normal.

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                          • thesportsartist
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2021
                            • 129

                            #43
                            Re: Has something changed in hitting?

                            Hitting is definitely broken. I use all star difficulty with the yankees. Got all these power guys and used all three hitting inputs…and the ball just goes nowhere. My last 5 games i’ve scored 1 8 1 3 and 2 runs. Only hit 3 home runs. The amount of weak contact i get…regardless of swing timing or input is unreal. Not only that the amount of infield fly outs with good timing i get…is bs. I noticed the pitch speeds are inconsistent af as well. The timing window is broken as well.

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                            • bkrich83
                              Has Been
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 71577

                              #44
                              Re: Has something changed in hitting?

                              Originally posted by thesportsartist
                              Hitting is definitely broken. I use all star difficulty with the yankees. Got all these power guys and used all three hitting inputs…and the ball just goes nowhere. My last 5 games i’ve scored 1 8 1 3 and 2 runs. Only hit 3 home runs. The amount of weak contact i get…regardless of swing timing or input is unreal. Not only that the amount of infield fly outs with good timing i get…is bs. I noticed the pitch speeds are inconsistent af as well. The timing window is broken as well.
                              Scores look pretty close to the Yankees last 5 games run output.

                              your last 5 games, 15 runs scored

                              real life Yankees last 5 games, 15 runs scored.
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                              • countryboy
                                Growing pains
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 52728

                                #45
                                Re: Has something changed in hitting?

                                Originally posted by djflock
                                The point is im not going to strike out 15 times because the game is simulating the ebbs and flows of real life. It's because I am doing something wrong as a user which I can change or I will need to adjust the sliders. Like if I strikeout that much, im NOT going to have any 5 or 6 k games to balance things out. When I play 5 games and hit 1 homer, I don't then have a 5 game stretch where I hit 20 homers.

                                I can't with these forums lol I threw out a random 30 k game for arguments sake and there was a page of post making fun of 30 k's. I bring it down to 15 , for arguments sake, and then someone is telling team one team struck out 15 times before lol

                                I also don't get your difficulty argument. If I am striking out to much, isn't that what the contact slider is there for? To make contact.

                                You’re trying way too hard to be argumentative.


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