Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

[Instant C1a55ic]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

I gotta swallow my pride, and do what needs to be done. My issue is how I go about this, and who realistically would take one at a time, or both in the same deal. Next, would be proper returns. Sure, I can snag top prospects and whomever else moves the needle, but with these two players it's known they won't be back.

Vladdy jr and Bichette. Do I move them as a pair, or separately? To whom makes the most sense now, and what's a fair return.

Just help a brother out.

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[Bard]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

I gotta swallow my pride, and do what needs to be done. My issue is how I go about this, and who realistically would take one at a time, or both in the same deal. Next, would be proper returns. Sure, I can snag top prospects and whomever else moves the needle, but with these two players it's known they won't be back.

Vladdy jr and Bichette. Do I move them as a pair, or separately? To whom makes the most sense now, and what's a fair return.

Just help a brother out.

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Definitely want to move them separately for the most value.

Vladdy will snag AT LEAST one top 100 prospect, and two other very good ones.


Bo gets difficult to predict, I would then ask, are you doing this at the beginning of the season or near the deadline? That would change value one way or the other.

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[Jeffrey Smith]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

If I end up starting a Tigers franchise what would a fair package be for KeBryan Hayes? I would assume Pittsburgh would be open to moving him.

[kinsmen7]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

If I end up starting a Tigers franchise what would a fair package be for KeBryan Hayes? I would assume Pittsburgh would be open to moving him.

I mean, his contract is reaaaaalllllly good, and he's a perennial gold glove candidate at 3rd...the problem with putting a solid value to him is how atrocious that bat was last year. I think if my math with last year is right, he currently has a negative surplus value.

So, the big thing with putting a present day value on him is asking the question-Do you think he can bounce back and be at least a league average hitter?

I really don't think that at $7 mil per season, the Pirates are just going to give him away. but at the same time, they can't ask for the moon. It's just one of those deals that could really blow up in Pittsburgh's face.

To me, it *could* be a comparable deal to the Ryan McMahon trade posted earlier. Definitely nobody in the top 100, but maybe a couple of guys of decent upside guys that are close to MLB ready, and a young AAAA arm?

Are you not firing Jace Jung in there at 3rd?

[Jeffrey Smith]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

I mean, his contract is reaaaaalllllly good, and he's a perennial gold glove candidate at 3rd...the problem with putting a solid value to him is how atrocious that bat was last year. I think if my math with last year is right, he currently has a negative surplus value.

So, the big thing with putting a present day value on him is asking the question-Do you think he can bounce back and be at least a league average hitter?

I really don't think that at $7 mil per season, the Pirates are just going to give him away. but at the same time, they can't ask for the moon. It's just one of those deals that could really blow up in Pittsburgh's face.

To me, it *could* be a comparable deal to the Ryan McMahon trade posted earlier. Definitely nobody in the top 100, but maybe a couple of guys of decent upside guys that are close to MLB ready, and a young AAAA arm?

Are you not firing Jace Jung in there at 3rd?

Haven’t started yet. Im still at work and just spitballing.

Ive got a mancrush on Hayes though.

[Cyrus09]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

Haven’t started yet. Im still at work and just spitballing.

Ive got a mancrush on Hayes though.

That is the best reason to make a trade!

I looked at him for the Mariners as well honestly: Bad bat and good defense is something we value high in our players.

[Bard]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

Still on my vacation, but wanted to put this out for anyone struggling with values.

Last three years of WAR
2024 - ??? x 6 =
2023 - ??? x 3 =
2022 - ??? x 1 =

Add totals together

Divide totals by 10

That is average WAR

Multiply that number by $11

Multiply Contract Years

Minus Contract Value

= Surplus Value


Prospect value:

Top 100 Hitter:

1-10: $95 surplus

11-25: $75 surplus

26-50: $51 surplus

51-75: $33 surplus

76-100: $18 surplus

Top 100 Pitcher:

1-10: $87 surplus

11-25: $55 surplus

26-50: $44 surplus

51-75: $27 surplus

76-100: $13 surplus

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[kinsmen7]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

Still on my vacation, but wanted to put this out for anyone struggling with values.

Last three years of WAR
2024 - ??? x 6 =
2023 - ??? x 3 =
2022 - ??? x 1 =

Add totals together

Divide totals by 10

That is average WAR

Multiply that number by $11

Multiply Contract Years

Minus Contract Value

= Surplus Value


Prospect value:

Top 100 Hitter:

1-10: $95 surplus

11-25: $75 surplus

26-50: $51 surplus

51-75: $33 surplus

76-100: $18 surplus

Top 100 Pitcher:

1-10: $87 surplus

11-25: $55 surplus

26-50: $44 surplus

51-75: $27 surplus

76-100: $13 surplus

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Whelp, that makes Hayes look a heck of a lot more attractive (by my calculations at least?)

He'd have a $89.6 mil surplus value.

I think an important thing to add here is that if you're looking to do a "realistic" trade, the prospect coming back should probably never have a value higher than the main piece...

Ie. Just using Hayes as an example, you're not moving him and adding someone else to get to the surplus value of a top 10 prospect. The far more likely/realistic move would be to get back 2-3-4 players to add up to that value.

Edit: @Bard-I thought people just took vacations around release day to play the game, not travel and relax with family/friends!?!?!? (My last vacation was spent changing diapers at home and letting my wife sleep...)

[kinsmen7]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

That is the best reason to make a trade!

I looked at him for the Mariners as well honestly: Bad bat and good defense is something we value high in our players.

Found the Ross Atkins/Mark Shapiro burner account...

Side note...What the heck happened to Jerry Dipoto? He used to be the most entertaining GM in the game, making trades whenever the heck he felt like it. Old Jerry would have looked at that team and had no problem making some wild and wacky move to potentially address the hole(s). Now? I may have missed something, but I don't think they made a single MLB free agent signing or trade? I absolutely get being up against a budget, and potentially having to cut payroll a bit, but boy howdy...make a move, man!

[Bard]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

Whelp, that makes Hayes look a heck of a lot more attractive (by my calculations at least?)

He'd have a $89.6 mil surplus value.

I think an important thing to add here is that if you're looking to do a "realistic" trade, the prospect coming back should probably never have a value higher than the main piece...

Ie. Just using Hayes as an example, you're not moving him and adding someone else to get to the surplus value of a top 10 prospect. The far more likely/realistic move would be to get back 2-3-4 players to add up to that value.

Edit: @Bard-I thought people just took vacations around release day to play the game, not travel and relax with family/friends!?!?!? (My last vacation was spent changing diapers at home and letting my wife sleep...)

I think that's what I roughly came up with, too. Also depends where you get the WAR from. That was always an argument from previous years, lol.


Italy is far too fun and busy to fully keep up with The Show, but Sunday you better know it's about to go down [emoji23]

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[Bgrd1080]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

Only 2 weeks into season but if competing was contemplating a Luis Castillo for Bo Bichette deal in my M's franchise or if I'm out of it Castillo to Chicago for Triantos?

Thoughts

[Jeffrey Smith]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

Whelp, that makes Hayes look a heck of a lot more attractive (by my calculations at least?)

He'd have a $89.6 mil surplus value.

I think an important thing to add here is that if you're looking to do a "realistic" trade, the prospect coming back should probably never have a value higher than the main piece...

Ie. Just using Hayes as an example, you're not moving him and adding someone else to get to the surplus value of a top 10 prospect. The far more likely/realistic move would be to get back 2-3-4 players to add up to that value.

Edit: @Bard-I thought people just took vacations around release day to play the game, not travel and relax with family/friends!?!?!? (My last vacation was spent changing diapers at home and letting my wife sleep...)

In my Tigers franchise I ended up giving up Jung and Ibanez for Hayes.
My thinking without actually looking at any values was I give the Pirates a 3rd baseman for this season and one for the future.
The roster im using had Jung as a C level potential and a 66 overall.

Fair trade?

[Cyrus09]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

I'm still trying to figure out realistic MLB transactions more. I come more from the NBA side of things, where you have clear patterns for when guys get traded and at what point of the season(and then you still get a earth shattering move like the Luka deal of course).

Taking my Mariners season as an example: 16 games in and we can already tell that we need a bench upgrade. Would a team make a small trade already at that point usually? I looked through some transaction log over the years and it looks like the season really starts in May in that department.

And I know it's a game and I can play as I would like it. But I still try to make it as realistic as possible and not trying to "trick the system" by abusing the power I have over the AI GMs.

For guys I could target I need to crunch the ratings a bit more: I saw that the Diamondbacks added Pavin Smith to the trade block in my save and that guy would probably be my best bench piece directly and I really need a backup outfielder.

[Bard]

Re: MLB The Show 25 - Trade Discussion Thread

I'm still trying to figure out realistic MLB transactions more. I come more from the NBA side of things, where you have clear patterns for when guys get traded and at what point of the season(and then you still get a earth shattering move like the Luka deal of course).



Taking my Mariners season as an example: 16 games in and we can already tell that we need a bench upgrade. Would a team make a small trade already at that point usually? I looked through some transaction log over the years and it looks like the season really starts in May in that department.



And I know it's a game and I can play as I would like it. But I still try to make it as realistic as possible and not trying to "trick the system" by abusing the power I have over the AI GMs.



For guys I could target I need to crunch the ratings a bit more: I saw that the Diamondbacks added Pavin Smith to the trade block in my save and that guy would probably be my best bench piece directly and I really need a backup outfielder.

For someone like Pavin Smith a mid-April to mid-May deal is not our of the realm of realism. Those kind of deals absolutely do happen from time to time, with most trades happening from June to July.

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[D Tom]

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I'm still trying to figure out realistic MLB transactions more. I come more from the NBA side of things, where you have clear patterns for when guys get traded and at what point of the season(and then you still get a earth shattering move like the Luka deal of course).

Taking my Mariners season as an example: 16 games in and we can already tell that we need a bench upgrade. Would a team make a small trade already at that point usually? I looked through some transaction log over the years and it looks like the season really starts in May in that department.

And I know it's a game and I can play as I would like it. But I still try to make it as realistic as possible and not trying to "trick the system" by abusing the power I have over the AI GMs.

For guys I could target I need to crunch the ratings a bit more: I saw that the Diamondbacks added Pavin Smith to the trade block in my save and that guy would probably be my best bench piece directly and I really need a backup outfielder.

Baseball usually will not start transacting until May, like you alluded to. A typical trend is players in their last contract year will either be deemed important enough to stay (in order to get a new contract in the off-season) or they will be shipped out for prospects or someone cheaper with some potential upside. Free agents are usually not really picked up in the season, barring injuries, as there is a reason that they were not picked up in the off-season to begin with. Unfortunately injuries happen to every team so most of the decent ones get plucked up at random intervals through the season irl. They are also usually picked up for a single year and traded during the same year (if possible). A penny-pinching franchise will almost always let their players go to arbitration (final 3 years of a 6 year initial contract) in order to pay less overall... although it is becoming more common in some teams to offer contracts to young superstars in order to "buy them out" of these arbitration years in a gesture of good faith and belief in them. Tovar for Colorado, Acuna Harris II, and Albies for the Braves, etc.


In order to not fleece the CPU, just don't try and trade your overly expensive contracts for high potential players. High contract players hardly ever move as they are too expensive now. Teams usually eat the cost and either continue paying a portion to the new team per year to offset the cost, or they just cut them and eat it that way. You will NEVER see a bad player making more than $5-10M get traded for even a teams 20th ranked prospect irl. For example, if you start a franchise with the Angels then you either play Rendon or cut him. No trading.