How to defend against exploits in DD

[DarkArrow]

Re: How to defend against exploits in DD

just a heads up: they've designed the slide step pretty well.
You will take a penalty on accuracy, how much depends on your pitcher and your proficiency as a pitcher.

You really don't want to abuse the slide step, lots of bad things can happen. Just off the top of my head: getting behind in the count/walk the batter, passed balls/balls in the dirt, hit batter etc..

Sometimes the slidestep can make the situation worse. That's why it's used sporadically in real life as well. You will eventually know when is the perfect time to use it (ie on a 2-1 count with a speedy runner on 1st), and when it's not appropriate.
Just my 2 pesos.

[MrOldboy]

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Ha, as an example I let my friend play a game in DD. He's actually pretty good, but he had no idea about the bunters in the game. I kept telling him throw it up high or pitch out and he said I know, I know. Well two squeezes later and he lost 3-2. I have to admit that it was worth taking the loss to see throw a hissy fit like a 12 year old.

You gotta be aware of the bunters otherwise you're just asking for frustration.

[SpicoliBors]

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Thanks for the slide step info, I was wondering how to do that.

[iamgramps]

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Bunting is highly effective in this series. Even if the ratings stink it seems to be easy to lay down an easy sac bunt at will. I wish it could be nerfed and tuned properly. Bunting is a low percentage play and pitchers and very low rated bunters should not be able to easily square up a bunt. So even if you in bunt defense (something I did against this guy after his first bunt because I had that feeling) I still could not get to the ball in time to throw out a runner at home which is exactly why he was bunting....three times in a row.

So since it is easy to bunt with success in getting a ball down the line, it is exploited by the "win at all cost" cheesers you will encounter sometimes. It is a fact of online playing. But the vast majority of randoms I have played thus far has been good. Surprisingly good.

Maybe it is the maturity of baseball and the people who play and love the game. I certainly am having more fun playing this game online than any other sports game by a wide margin.

I agree! Although my record sucks, I am having a good time playing this game. It really feels good beating up on teams stacked with speed and legends.

[Metsaholic230]

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I've only played a handful ofnonline games but it seems pretty easy to combat cheesers. I had one guy taking a 5 step leadoff on first. So I picked him off. Another guy was trying to but so I just threw pitches off the plate. Shrug... My biggest problem so far has been the glitchy outfielders. I have the player in the right spot and hr just seems to forget to catch the ball. I almost lost one game because of this. This is on the ps3 version. Still a lot of fun.

[SpicoliBors]

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I use meter pitching and at times can be very shaky and not make accurate pitches that end up way outside. To the point where people may at times think I am cheesing. Is it easier to locate pitches with a different pitching mode, or do most people use meter?

[MrOldboy]

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I use meter pitching and at times can be very shaky and not make accurate pitches that end up way outside. To the point where people may at times think I am cheesing. Is it easier to locate pitches with a different pitching mode, or do most people use meter?

I use meter mostly to combat against cheesers. It is easy to stop bunters by hitting the meter early and throwing high out of the zone pitches. This has worked very well since I have end up getting a squeezer probably every 3 games. Single, steal, bunt, squeeze, out at home.

I used to use meter in previous games, but switched to pulse a couple years ago since I liked that. Just preference. I switched back to meter for online mostly so I can control the bunting.

If you get the timing down meter is accurate, but you do throw more balls this year compared to last. I generally pitch on the edges anyways so it has made me throw more and more outside the zone. Throwing balls isn't cheesing, never has, never will. If a hitter refuses to lay off low curves, well guess what they are going to get. When I play better hitters I have to come in the zone, and sometimes fail to do so even if I am trying to throw strikes.

[Metsaholic230]

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I could never get good with meter. When I get someone with a weird windup I'm screwed. I use classic pitching and tend to pitch to the corners so bunting won't work that well against me anyway. I dystroyed someone yesterday with a sinkerball pitcher. He just couldn't lay off the low ones. I do think the breaking pitches are a tad to slow. Changeups look like a balloon floating in to me. Keeping back on them is very hard.

[Armor and Sword]

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I use meter mostly to combat against cheesers. It is easy to stop bunters by hitting the meter early and throwing high out of the zone pitches. This has worked very well since I have end up getting a squeezer probably every 3 games. Single, steal, bunt, squeeze, out at home.

I used to use meter in previous games, but switched to pulse a couple years ago since I liked that. Just preference. I switched back to meter for online mostly so I can control the bunting.

If you get the timing down meter is accurate, but you do throw more balls this year compared to last. I generally pitch on the edges anyways so it has made me throw more and more outside the zone. Throwing balls isn't cheesing, never has, never will. If a hitter refuses to lay off low curves, well guess what they are going to get. When I play better hitters I have to come in the zone, and sometimes fail to do so even if I am trying to throw strikes.

So true. I typically show some strikes in the zone early in the count. Get a hitter in the hole 0-2, 1-2 I am not coming into the zone as fat as before. I will work the corners, the black up and in or flat out try to get them to chase a slider or curve. If they keep falling for it.....I will have a huge K game. But a smart hitter will lay off and force my hand to come into the zone more. Sometimes after a bunch of easy outs doing that....they start expecting the outside, low and away cutters, sliders or junk...then I just pump one (4 seamer) down main street and they are frozen and in shock. Love it.

Being a great hitter easily combats pitching cheese. I drew 6 walks in a game last night on a guy who refused to pitch in the zone......when he walked a few guys he got frustrated and I teed him up when he started throwing strikes.

The only cheese I see most of the time is bunting and stupid base running that defies baseball logic.

Sucks....but that's the perils of online play vs randoms.

Playing in the Triple Crown League and fellow friends here at OS.....online rules this year!!!

Even Diamond Dynasty for the most part has been pretty decent.

For the record I pitch classic and hit Directional/Timed online.

[AInquisition]

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So true. I typically show some strikes in the zone early in the count. Get a hitter in the hole 0-2, 1-2 I am not coming into the zone as fat as before. I will work the corners, the black up and in or flat out try to get them to chase a slider or curve. If they keep falling for it.....I will have a huge K game. But a smart hitter will lay off and force my hand to come into the zone more. Sometimes after a bunch of easy outs doing that....they start expecting the outside, low and away cutters, sliders or junk...then I just pump one (4 seamer) down main street and they are frozen and in shock. Love it.

So real. Pitching online is 1000% game theory and it's a blast

[TonyDanzaFan]

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The worst part about these cheesers for me is that the game lags, the animations mess everything out and low and behold he got a bunt hit again and stole three bags. I know everything they're gonna do and I prepare for it and my stupid fielders blow it. I hate these people

[ccurtis3974]

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interesting scenario

all three were really bad cheesers. bunters, squeezers, and the like. (is it too much to ask to play a game of baseball?)

Thats not my main gripe here. in all three games on four seperate occasions. I would hit a double to the left center gap. The animations would stutter and the game would go to the next batter without his CF fielding or throwing the ball back to the infield. when it went to the next batter my leadoff double would be nullified and i would have one out with the bases empty? any other like this? and it was always on leadoff hits.

[Dag_BoomStick]

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I run into these busters from time to time and they honestly don't bother me too much. Yeah it's a **** tactic but I have my work arounds for them. If I know there's a possibility of them bunting I will typically give them nothing good. IE fast ball high just a tad out of the zone (this usually results in a foul or a pop up.) Or a curve or slider way out of the zone. As for guys that like to steal a lot if say against me they are probably 30% successful with Matt weiters behind the plate. That's fine by me. If they wanna run into an out 70% of the time I'm fine with that. I've been pretty successful with these stratified. I'm 20-11 in online play with 7 of those losses due to the game freezing.

[Armor and Sword]

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interesting scenario

all three were really bad cheesers. bunters, squeezers, and the like. (is it too much to ask to play a game of baseball?)

That's not my main gripe here. in all three games on four separate occasions. I would hit a double to the left center gap. The animations would stutter and the game would go to the next batter without his CF fielding or throwing the ball back to the infield. when it went to the next batter my leadoff double would be nullified and i would have one out with the bases empty? any other like this? and it was always on leadoff hits.

I have had that lag bug a few times costing me runs. I hope that can be cleaned up somehow.

The 2R HR bug reared it's head on me last night...I still won the game though.

I have been having great clean simulation games lately. I have only run into a few cheesers and I typically get them to quit after I draw 4-5 walks inside the first two innings then pounce on them 3 or 4-0 when they realize they won;t be able to get me to chase their BS dirt balls.

Squeeze/bunt cheesers are the worst online scum on The Show...LOL. Just fire high hard slightly out of the zone country fastballs and that will get them to either stop or quit.

Last night I was playing a marvelous game 3-3 tie in the 9th....my opponent used up all his pause time. I would not forfeit him. I think that is so cheap and I would never do that to a legit player on the other side playing sim baseball.

I ended up winning on a Joe Mauer walk off double to drive in my newest edition Mr Cub himself!!!

I am so loving this mode. It really is a blast!!!

[seafoamgreen]

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I realize my OP sounded like a whine (and it was) but these responses are exactly what I was hoping for. I've used the high fastball to combat the bunt/squeeze a-holes with great success, so thanks!

Last two games were excellent, legit players who I barely beat. Last guy turned to squeeze cheese in the top of the 10th but I successfully thwarted him and V.Mart blasted a bottom of the 10th homer to win it for me. Totally fun.

Now if I could only get my 80+FLD outfielders to not get the dread "Oh, and he dropped it!" Matt V. call for no reason at all, I'd be set on this mode!