This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

[phillyfan23]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

i think people need to start showing their game results from season franchise....

the 2 games I tested yesterday i won 4-2 and won 6-3 with no Ai comeback code.

But to be even sure for me and the others here who are convinced, people who claim that they are NOT seeing it need to post their scores instead of just saying no there isn't. Those things won't help the crowd who are seeing it.

ok so post some scores folks.....and scores from Franchise/season modes

[SmashMan]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

Despite just turning off the game in frustration several times, I don't think there's a comeback code. I think momentum has too big an impact. The times I turn off the game are when it just gets too bad an inning seemingly on its' own.

Just yesterday, I gave up a hit...then the next batter grounded to the pitcher, who proceeds to go into this overpowering animation that launches the ball over the first baseman. Runners to 2nd and 3rd. Walked the next guy, and then gave up a bases-clearing double when my RF is camped under the ball and goes into the animation where he reaches as it sails over his head.

I get that everyone has bad innings and obviously bad games, but this is happening to me way too frequently where I'll get in a rhythm and in the middle innings, the computer just makes solid contact on anything I throw. I'm not going to pretend I make perfect pitches all the time, but I'd say a majority of the time they're pretty good.

I don't think it's anything that some slider adjustments can't change though.

[davewins]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

No...

First...it wasn't just Russell who told us(me at the event DIRECTLY asking this question ) that...it was the devs...all of the Kolbe and Brian included.
.....and here is why I doubt the catchup logic(I hated that I even saw this option at the event...as I knew it would lead directly to this kind of talk)...is on either by default or as a glitch.
You guys do realize that the comeback logic works IN BOTH DIRECTIONS....if you are losing...it kicks in for YOU.
Why aren't guys seeing it the other way?
The user should then be hitting three run bombs or multiples of to come back all the time from a deficit.
Like I stated earlier...the logic doesn't even work that way.

M.K.
Knight165

That's the thing though. I have seen nothing BUT close exciting games whether the CPU comes back on me to make it exciting and close or I come back on the CPU. I have been up 10-4 and lost (most recently) and I have been down by 3 late in the game and come back. Doesn't mean it's definetely there or not but it's just what I have seen so far in about 20+ games.

I am on the fence and just being objective about it all because I am not entirely sure it's there but also not entirely sure it's not. I just know that glitches are found out after release and the developers are not aware of it. That's why they could say it's not there before but then after the game is released and people keep playing more games they notice these trends. That's when it officially becomes known as a glitch.

The lefty bug in MVP is another example. This was obviously a glitch and wasn't noticed or picked up by EA sports before release. It took the gaming community to find this and report it. Now it could be in fact that EA sports knew about it and was not going to fix it because it was just impossible to get out by release date or it could be that they honestly didn't see it. All I'm saying is the gaming community playing the game for 2 weeks every day can spot glitches much better imo then the game developers while they are making the game.

I don't think anybodys right or wrong here I just would like to know how anybody can officially say it's there or not there for sure when this is all circumstantial.

[davewins]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

Despite just turning off the game in frustration several times, I don't think there's a comeback code. I think momentum has too big an impact. The times I turn off the game are when it just gets too bad an inning seemingly on its' own.

Just yesterday, I gave up a hit...then the next batter grounded to the pitcher, who proceeds to go into this overpowering animation that launches the ball over the first baseman. Runners to 2nd and 3rd. Walked the next guy, and then gave up a bases-clearing double when my RF is camped under the ball and goes into the animation where he reaches as it sails over his head.

I get that everyone has bad innings and obviously bad games, but this is happening to me way too frequently where I'll get in a rhythm and in the middle innings, the computer just makes solid contact on anything I throw. I'm not going to pretend I make perfect pitches all the time, but I'd say a majority of the time they're pretty good.

I don't think it's anything that some slider adjustments can't change though.

Yeah I think pitcher confidence has a lot to do with it. I almost feel like even if I make a good pitch with my confidence down then the CPU will still hit it.

Also for those that aren't seeing it or are seeing it posting scores isn't going to change anybody's opinion on this issue. Just because the comeback ai is on doesn't mean that you CAN'T hold the lead. It just means it's HARDER to hold the lead. Same goes for comeback off. It doesn't mean that when you have the lead then you will maintain the lead.

I just think (and baa7 got me on to it) that since they added the option and it wasn't in last year's game then quite possibly there was a bug in coding where the option is always on. I am not convinced of this but I think it is a possibility.

[nemesis04]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

After all, isn't a glitch found out after the game comes out and is found out by the user's not the developers?? That's the way I always understood glitches.

Not necessarily, sometimes games are shipped with known problems. That is why you see patches more often now.

[davewins]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

Not necessarily, sometimes games are shipped with known problems. That is why you see patches more often now.

So it could be that they know for sure that it's not a glitch or it came out and then the glitch was discovered.

I truly respect everybody on the SCEA team. No doubt about it. I have nothing but the most respect for them. I just don't understand (and would like to understand) how they could positively, etched in stone, say that there is no glitch in the game keeping comeback ai on by default and the option is glitched??

For all I know they have computers that can diagnose the entire game to find glitches. If that's the case then my mind can rest at ease knowing that there is absolutley no comeback ai. For now I remain on the fence. Just a simple "no" doesn't really cut it for me. I am just open minded about it. I would just like to see how they came up with the answer "no" there is no comeback ai that's all.

The reason why I would like to know is because this isn't a fielding glitch or anything you can physically see and say "AHH, there it is see the ball go right by my fielder, etc". Or the lefty bug was obvious. This is a hidden under the hood type "problem" that has to be identified somehow or another.

[jim416]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

Being as we have two threads on this, I'll post this here, too.


I just did an experiment. Could mean absolutley nothing, but here goes. Franchise/Vet level/preseason game my Nats vs. Phils

Here's what I did with the sliders. First let me say that moving sliders all the way to the right or left won't mean absolute extremes in this game. For example, moving the power all the way to the right won't result in a ton of homeruns. Moving it to the left will not result in no homeruns. That's not how these sliders work.

I put my sliders for CONTACT/POWER/TIMING/SOLID HITS all the way to the right.
I put Phils same sliders all the way to the left. Below are the results of the hits/outs

Phils
HR (I must have had a ten pitch duel with Rollins who finally jacked one out, lol)
K
K
K

Nats
single
fly out
DP

1-0 Phils

Phils
double (milledge bobbled the ball in the outfield running away, runner advanced)
ground out 3rd
fly out right center, runner to 3rd
ground out 3rd

Nats
fly out right field
long fly out right center
ground out to pitcher (nice play)


1-0 Phils after 2

Phils
ground out 2nd
ground out 2nd
ground out 1st

Nats
single to center
wild pitch runner to 2nd
single to left center, runner holds at 3rd
single to center runner scores man on 1st to 3rd
SF to right center, runner scores
K

after three Nats up 2-1

Phils 4th
Utley ground out to 1b
Howard fly out to CF
fly out center

Nats (Hamels replaces Myers)
single left center
steals second
K
SF to RC runner to 3rd
K

After 4 still 2-1 Nats

Phils 5th
ground out to SS
HBP
fly out LC
K

Nats
Triple to left as outfielder comes in dives, misses ball, to the wall
sharp ground out to 1b, runner holds at 3rd (ugh)
ground out to second, runner scores
pop out 1b

Nats take 3-1 lead

Phils 6th
Rollins bunts to third out at first
Victorino pops up to 1st
Utley ground out to SS

Nats
fly out up against wall CF
pop up to 2nd
ground out to pitcher

Nats still lead 3-1 after 6

Phils 7th
ground out 2nd
single to right center
K
Feliz hits a double, run scores from 1st
ground out SS

Nats
fly out RF
ground out to 3rd
ground out to 1st

Lead is still 3-2 after 7

Phils 8th
ground out SS
pop up SS
BB
ground out SS, force at second

Nats
double down the line
sac bunt runner to third
with the infield in for the Phils
single to center, run scores
DP

Nats up 4-2

Phils 9th
Fly out LF
ground out to pitcher
double down the third base line
ground out to second.

FINAL, NATS 4-2 OVER PHILS

PHILS 100000100
NAT 00201010x

As each gamer plays different and has a different ability, possibly sliders are the answer. If there was a comeback code here, it didn't work. You can argue the sliders prevented it, but a comeback code should be a comeback code and hits should have fallen.

Again, perhaps some slider tweaks for people who are having a hard time.

[thaSLAB]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

I figured out what the comeback code is: Joel Zumaya

LOL, but that is also a testament that this is "The Most Realistic Baseball Game Ever" He will definitely give up a lead in the game, just as in real life (of course when he's not playing Guitar Hero)

Seriously, there is no code.

Edit: I did think that there was little differences between difficulties sometimes, but that's not related to the comeback thing.

[nemesis04]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

So it could be that they know for sure that it's not a glitch or it came out and then the glitch was discovered.

I truly respect everybody on the SCEA team. No doubt about it. I have nothing but the most respect for them. I just don't understand (and would like to understand) how they could positively, etched in stone, say that there is no glitch in the game keeping comeback ai on by default and the option is glitched??

For all I know they have computers that can diagnose the entire game to find glitches. If that's the case then my mind can rest at ease knowing that there is absolutley no comeback ai. For now I remain on the fence. Just a simple "no" doesn't really cut it for me. I am just open minded about it. I would just like to see how they came up with the answer "no" there is no comeback ai that's all.

The reason why I would like to know is because this isn't a fielding glitch or anything you can physically see and say "AHH, there it is see the ball go right by my fielder, etc". Or the lefty bug was obvious. This is a hidden under the hood type "problem" that has to be identified somehow or another.

I am really not sure what answer is going to satisfy you. If they come in here and say that there is none, that is not acceptable to you. You are not going to get a computer print out where on the bottom the end result summary will say no comeback code. So I do not know where it goes from here.

Have you played with the comeback option on? See different results?

[jim416]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

Psst. see test ^

I don't believe there's a comeback code, game is just very realistic, but sliders could appease those who are having a problem.

Going to lunch.

[davewins]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

I am really not sure what answer is going to satisfy you. If they come in here and say that there is none, that is not acceptable to you. You are not going to get a computer print out where on the bottom the end result summary will say no comeback code. So I do not know where it goes from here.

Have you played with the comeback option on? See different results?

That was the next thing I was going to do. If it feels different then all the games I have been playing then that will satisfy me.

It's not that I don't believe them I just would like to know how they know for sure that there wasn't a glitch somewhere in the programming that kept the comeback mode on regardless.

Just on the fence here that's all. Nothing wrong with being open minded.

[HustlinOwl]

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I have tried all options comeback on, comeback off player 1 & player 2 on, both on, both off. Pitcher confidence meter off. Still think there is something going on, but it is only exhibition games and not my franchise until Knight's roster set.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

I have tried all options comeback on, comeback off player 1 & player 2 on, both on, both off. Pitcher confidence meter off. Still think there is something going on, but it is only exhibition games and not my franchise until Knight's roster set.

And I am playing all in exhibition games and not seeing this since I am waiting on Franchise for rosters as well.

I am telling you all, the game plays you hard throughout, and you are just used to solid starting pitching and not changing patterns or play styles with relievers. It is more challenging than ever. And everything we all asked for.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

Forgot to mention I have been using the Reds exclusively

[DarthRambo]

Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

Why did a whole new thread on this topic start? Art... read thread "Too many 2 out rallies by AI!!!"

There is alot of info on there, alot of reading but there is., read last 6t-7pgs at least. I ran test for exibition gms lat night. concluded no cmeeback code for exibition at least. running same tes on season mode now... go read that thread