This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

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  • JT30
    MVP
    • Jul 2004
    • 2123

    #46
    Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

    Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
    My third game playing on All Star Default I wont 8-3, and the next one 9-2. And there were others, in the other thread, that started taking back their stance on the "comeback AI" when they were winning 11-4 and not allowing them to score from the 4th inning on, after further testing.

    To top it off, I seen many of Yankee AND Red Sox teams start the season rough in real life.

    These threads should not even be here unless they are getting this all the time 60 games in. But whatever.
    Yep.. I was just throwing out ideas as to why some see it and some dont.

    I havent really played enough games to come to any conclusion.. but it sounds like most have played enough to validate their own opinions.

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    • baa7
      Banned
      • Jul 2004
      • 11691

      #47
      Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

      Originally posted by JT30
      So maybe some people arent seeing it because their games are already close to begin with.
      If it's happening, I would guess some people aren't seeing it because I doubt it's programmed as true comeback code. In EA's games for example, their comeback code miraculously turns your players into inept fools who suddenly can't kick a soccer ball 5 yards or stop a floating wristshot from the blueline. Given the level of intelligent programming in The Show, I doubt the developers think "cheesy-stupid" when they decide to add a feature. I'd guess it's much more subtle and less obvious.

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      • EnigmaNemesis
        Animal Liberation
        • Apr 2006
        • 12216

        #48
        Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

        Originally posted by baa7
        If it's happening, I would guess some people aren't seeing it because I doubt it's programmed as true comeback code. In EA's games for example, their comeback code miraculously turns your players into inept fools who suddenly can't kick a soccer ball 5 yards or stop a floating wristshot from the blueline. Given the level of intelligent programming in The Show, I doubt the developers think "cheesy-stupid" when they decide to add a feature. I'd guess it's much more subtle and less obvious.

        Or is not bugged and does not exist like a dev said.
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        • HustlinOwl
          All Star
          • Mar 2004
          • 9713

          #49
          Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

          There is definitely something going on with the CPU getting extra boosts in ratings or whatever it is allowing them to suddenly start playing well.

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          • Artman22
            MVP
            • Jul 2006
            • 4985

            #50
            Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

            Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
            Or is not bugged and does not exist like a dev said.
            Let people give their opinions. Why do you come off always defensive? Let people post their opinions and dont attack them cause they dont see eye to eye with you. Jezus.....
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            • Artman22
              MVP
              • Jul 2006
              • 4985

              #51
              Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

              Originally posted by HustlinOwl
              There is definitely something going on with the CPU getting extra boosts in ratings or whatever it is allowing them to suddenly start playing well.
              This is the thing. Many people i have spoken to tell me they are seeing it. While others here say they dont. Who's wrong? I know i'm seeing it.
              NBA2K is the standard of sports games period.

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              • redsox-rick
                Rookie
                • Feb 2009
                • 140

                #52
                Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

                The game adjusts to the way you pitch so the 3rd - 4th time through the line up they look for specific pitches more and maybe it is that your pitcher energy is affecting his pitch quality and location, making it easier for batters to get big hits.
                This could be leading to the CPU getting more hits in the late innings.
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                • countryboy
                  Growing pains
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 52830

                  #53
                  Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

                  I guess the thread in which this was already being discussed wasn't good enough for this to be posted in?

                  http://www.operationsports.com/forum...allies-ai.html
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                  I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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                  • baa7
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 11691

                    #54
                    Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

                    Originally posted by HustlinOwl
                    There is definitely something going on with the CPU getting extra boosts in ratings
                    I've seen that on Legend for sure. The CPU on Legend seems to smack the ball hard all the time, and always down the baselines and such. Once I moved back to HoF, I don't see it near as much. I can't say I've seen the CPU gain an obvious ratings boost/advantage in the games I've played on HoF.

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                    • countryboy
                      Growing pains
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 52830

                      #55
                      Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

                      I play on default Legend with comeback ai off and have yet to see anything that resmembles comeback ai.
                      I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                      I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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                      • nemesis04
                        RIP Ty My Buddy
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 13530

                        #56
                        Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

                        Originally posted by countryboy
                        I play on default Legend with comeback ai off and have yet to see anything that resmembles comeback ai.
                        I think a major problem is that everyone's definition of AI comeback code is different.
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                        • EnigmaNemesis
                          Animal Liberation
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 12216

                          #57
                          Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

                          Originally posted by Art1bk
                          Let people give their opinions. Why do you come off always defensive? Let people post their opinions and dont attack them cause they dont see eye to eye with you. Jezus.....

                          Where do you see me getting defensive?

                          I am just saying what the devs have said. The only one being defensive is you.

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                          • EnigmaNemesis
                            Animal Liberation
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 12216

                            #58
                            Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

                            Originally posted by baa7
                            I've seen that on Legend for sure. The CPU on Legend seems to smack the ball hard all the time, and always down the baselines and such. Once I moved back to HoF, I don't see it near as much. I can't say I've seen the CPU gain an obvious ratings boost/advantage in the games I've played on HoF.

                            And that is what we have been telling people in the other thread. And the Gamespot review has said as well.

                            The game plays you hard inning 1 through 9. That is not comeback, that is just a challenging game now.
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                            • countryboy
                              Growing pains
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 52830

                              #59
                              Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

                              Originally posted by nemesis04
                              I think a major problem is that everyone's definition of AI comeback code is different.
                              I agree.

                              But to me, since its not a widespread problem(not everyone is seeing it and it doesn't happen every game) then it has to be a glitch thats turning the comeback option on, if said glitch even exists.

                              The only constant that I've read is that people have blown leads, thats it. Well, thats too vague to be concrete evidence that comeback ai is happening. There's too many other explanations for losing a game(pitcher confidence, fatigue, pitch command, pitch pattern picked up by the computer, the other team got hot, difficulty level, etc....)

                              Here's my question, and not trying to sound like a prick, but has anyone thats experienced comeback ai, did something similar to the cpu? In other words, have you made a comeback against the cpu?

                              Also, I know baa mentioned that he hasn't seen it after dropping down a level. Have those who've experienced it, experienced it across every difficulty level?

                              If people truly believe that its happening(I'm not saying its not even though I haven't experienced it) and are seeking help from SCEA, then they're going to have to try to find similarities in the game outside of just losing a game, especially since its not happening to everyone nor every game.
                              I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                              I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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                              • davewins
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2005
                                • 1913

                                #60
                                Re: This game has Comeback Code written all over it!!!

                                Originally posted by JT30
                                This is a very good point. Even if the option for comback AI is turned off, how do we know there isnt a glitch/bug like last year with the catch region indicator. That option was a simple on/off option and if you turned it off, it still was on, with the ball position indicator.

                                So all these people who are claiming the comeback code is non existent, how do they know if the option to turn it on/off is broken?
                                I agree that is a very good point. I am going to stay open minded on the subject. I haven't seen it yet but I have seen the CPU do some funky things at the plate that just doesn't seem right. Not going to completley comment yet though but baa7 just completley opened my mind up about this whole subject.

                                If at all this is true then it is VERY sad. BTW I swallowed my pride and moved down to HOF. I couldn't take the pitching in Legend. I had to do everything PERFECT through 9 innings and even if I pretty much did if I happened to guess the wrong pitch to throw then I would give up a bomb. I was struggling to beat the O's with the Red Sox so I am done with that for now.

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