so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I don't know if Jim's response was to me or to another poster that posted below my original post. I mentioned in the original post that I don't believe that SCEA deliberately would make the game cheat in order to make it harder. I never believed that they would of purposely did this. What I did believe however is there could possibly be a bug in the NEW OPTION that allows for there to be a cheat. Simply the NEW OPTION that allows the CPU to "cheat" back in the game is by default on even though it says it's off and you have to go into the settings and turn it ON. This is what I believe. I never ever believe SCEA (truly the best simulation video game developer imho) would purposely try to make the game play like this. Simply a bug that can happen.

It's just too weird of a coincidence. People are reporting this "comeback" left and right this year. Where were these complaints in 08, 07 and 06?? Oh, that's right. The comeback ai option is in this year's version, and not last year or 07, or 06.

Ok I didn't say it in the original post but I said it in post #5.

I am positively sure that SCEA didn't purposely put "comeback code" in this game. The only way it got in was by accident, a flaw in the option where it's always on and/or it's actually on when it's set to off and off when it's set to on.

[AJColossal]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

davewins-

I'm curious about your results and may have to try it myself. I have always felt that the CPU always played it "close" in this series, and this could be an interesting breakthrough.

Hoprefully having comeback "on" hasn't neutered the CPU, though. I'm curious to see some more results from games and if anyone else has tried this and what their exprience has been.

[swaldo]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

How can you be 100% convinced after 2 games?

I think this is research that wouldn't need alot of samples because shouldn't comeback ON work every game? If little Timmy wants to come over and play a game with me I will destroy him unless I turn on the comeback option.

Just talking out of my rear, but another possibility is that comeback ON only works for human vs human games, but also over-rides normal rubber band AI when comeback is set to OFF?

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

davewins-

I'm curious about your results and may have to try it myself. I have always felt that the CPU always played it "close" in this series, and this could be an interesting breakthrough.

Hoprefully having comeback "on" hasn't neutered the CPU, though. I'm curious to see some more results from games and if anyone else has tried this and what their exprience has been.

Try it yourself that's all I can say. Don't go by my opinion, or anybody else's opinion. Try it yourself. That's all that matters. I am convinced. I will definetley be playing this way for now on.

All games prior to doing this have been exciting. So exciting in fact I would make writeups here about the games. How close they were and how crazy exciting they were. Well I got so many close exciting games I got tired of posting them here LOL.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I think this is research that wouldn't need alot of samples because shouldn't comeback ON work every game? If little Timmy wants to come over and play a game with me I will destroy him unless I turn on the comeback option.

Just talking out of my rear, but another possibility is that comeback ON only works for human vs human games, but also over-rides normal rubber band AI when comeback is set to OFF?

I don't know. All I know is we have 2 options. To play with it off (default) or play with it on. I tried on because I thought possibly the game would play different and boy did it ever. For the better must I say again.

[swaldo]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

What I did believe however is there could possibly be a bug in the NEW OPTION that allows for there to be a cheat. Simply the NEW OPTION that allows the CPU to "cheat" back in the game is by default on even though it says it's off and you have to go into the settings and turn it ON.

But how could developers of such cutting edge games - the elite programmers in the world make such silly mistakes? Ever since someone discovered sliders were reversed in a game several years back everyone is now suspect of every setting and slider being reversed. Is it that easy to carelessly botch these things up?

[Zinger]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Only comment I'm going to make. Why the heck would SCEA "script" a game and why? This is suicide for them to do this. These guys are baseball nuts themselves. So they sit around and design a way for the human to lose against the AI? Come on........

Well said, jim. Plus, of course, they have TOLD us numerous times that the game is not scripted. Seems that's not good enough for some people. I've certainly not noticed anything like it on All Star. If there really was a problem here I don't think the reviews would have been so uniformly glowing and so many people would have praised it to the skies on this forum. If there is a genuine problem with a game, the majority of users will always quickly pounce on it. That has not been the case here. Some people will always be looking for trickery, hidden advantages, accidentally reversed functions etc. Human nature.

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I gonna chalk this up to placebo effect and/or coincidence. I'd be interested to see the results of this after 25-30 games with this setting.

The fact that it doesn't happen everygame and that I've personally been able to hold big leagues, is why I chalk this up to coincidence/placebo effect/ or something along those lines.

[brunnoce]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

dave, just THANX for finding this out man
if this works the same way for me u just saved the show 09 for me man..i was starting to get crazy about the ultra good AI hitting on the god innings just to get back on the score.
(and i bet it will work for me too since u beat legend by 7 runs with comeback ON, meaning there should be no way of u doing that because of the code, i mean, u turned it on and u could beat the AI by a blow out? but before that with it OFF, only one person(coutry boy) managed to do that...im pretty sure this "proves" the code is reversed.
i cant wait to get home and try this!

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Well said, jim. Plus, of course, they have TOLD us numerous times that the game is not scripted. Seems that's not good enough for some people. I've certainly not noticed anything like it on All Star. If there really was a problem here I don't think the reviews would have been so uniformly glowing and so many people would have praised it to the skies on this forum. If there is a genuine problem with a game, the majority of users will always quickly pounce on it. That has not been the case here. Some people will always be looking for trickery, hidden advantages, accidentally reversed functions etc. Human nature.

Zinger what you are failing to realize is YES they told us the game is not scripted. That is NOT what I am arguing here. If you read any of my posts you would understand this. I don't know if my post is too long to read the entire thing or what????

I will say it again. I didn't ever think that SCEA purposely scripted the game or purposely made the CPU comeback on purpose. What I believe is they made an option ( can we agree with that?) and this option was bugged and set to on by default instead of being set to off.

Basically the option (comeback ai) is set to off by default of course. It says that. But how do we know that off isn't really on, and on isn't really off??

I understand Russell mentioned that they didn't put it in the game. That's not what I EVER was arguing. I'm arguing the possibility of the option being reversed which would be an UNINTENTIONAL MISTAKE by the SCEA team if you can even call it that. People think that we are blaming the SCEA team and they go on the defense. I am not saying that at all. I am simply saying that the option could be bugged where when it's on it's really off and when it's off it's really on.

There shouldn't be a question if comeback ai is in this game or not. If you look into game options it's right there. The question remains is this option set on by default even though it says it's off????????

[brunnoce]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I think this is research that wouldn't need alot of samples because shouldn't comeback ON work every game? If little Timmy wants to come over and play a game with me I will destroy him unless I turn on the comeback option.

Just talking out of my rear, but another possibility is that comeback ON only works for human vs human games, but also over-rides normal rubber band AI when comeback is set to OFF?

exactly!
this test dont need 20 games ...it only need 1 game that u can blow the AI out...cause if u can do that, specially twice in a row like dave did, wheres the comeback code acting??
we cant prove theres a comeback code workign with it OFF(default) but we can say already there isnt one working with it ON.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I gonna chalk this up to placebo effect and/or coincidence. I'd be interested to see the results of this after 25-30 games with this setting.

The fact that it doesn't happen everygame and that I've personally been able to hold big leagues, is why I chalk this up to coincidence/placebo effect/ or something along those lines.

Very well. I will play 25 games like this and post the results. I have no problem doing that. WHat results would you like?? Just the score?? The box score?? I don't know how we could do this because it's all by feel really but I guess you could use the final score. The only problem is I don't have anything to compare with statistically for the prior 100 games I played with everything set at default except for the fact that I know that I have never won a game by more then 4 runs.

[boyd0]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

dave do you think maybe the option is bugged when only playing on the legendary difficulty?? because i can blow the cpu out every now and then like 3 games in a month if that...and im on veteran..

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

dave do you think maybe the option is bugged when only playing on the legendary difficulty?? because i can blow the cpu out every now and then like 3 games in a month if that...and im on veteran..

It's a possibility. All I can go by is what level I play on. I have only played on Legend so I can't speak for anybody that has played on any other levels with the game. All I know is not only have after 100 games played on Legend I have yet to win by more then 4 the first 2 games I win by 8 and 7. That's statistically but there's more to it then that. It's just how I am getting outs. How the CPU is hitting. I am making mistakes and still pitching good. Instead of crushing my mistakes for HR's and HIT after HIT after HIT after HIT they are fouling it off or even missing it or popping it up. Not every mistake is a HR or a hit now.

[Zinger]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

There shouldn't be a question if comeback ai is in this game or not. If you look into game options it's right there. The question remains is this option set on by default even though it says it's off????????

And if you are right (after a sample of TWO games) why have none of the reviews and few of the other users picked up on it?