Franchise Problem is Addressed

**CGHitman14** · 03-12-2011, 12:31 AM

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When I first read the title of this thread I got all excited and thought I was going to get to come on here, read about the fixes made, and then admit to being wrong about my guess that this isn't going to be fixed anytime soon.

I'm not a video game developer so I'm certainly not speaking from experience, but I have a feeling that there are some deep rooted issues that the devs are facing with all these franchise problems. So many aspects of the code are interconnected with one another, so making a change that might fix one problem may create a problem elsewhere. It's not as simple as saying "slow down young player progression" and then all is fine and dandy.

The devs know how serious this issue is which is why it has been over a year and has not been fixed. It's likely going to take a major overhaul to franchise to fix these problems. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's very possible this issue will not be fixed this year. Why are the devs telling us otherwise? I guess speculation on that is "unnecessary" and not meant for the forums.

People are going to either have to:

1. Accept the problems and play through them.
2. Research the workarounds in an attempt to create realism to an unrealistic situation.

Either way, the game is the best baseball sim on the market. If you can look past the problems you'll have a helluva time playing it. If these problems bother you too much to enjoy the game (like they do me) then make a statement. Don't buy the game new. Buy the game used or rent it and let them know that you're not nearly as interested in buying a sim game that isn't fully doing that job.

I'll end my rant...

**treyraq** · 03-12-2011, 12:56 AM

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Just a thought...but if they just can't nail down how to get the contracts/development portions of the game functioning properly, would it benefit us for them to just have a fictional system? Say, just do away with the arbitration portion and simplify the Free Agent signing process? Maybe a player under a certain age can only make X amount of $ or sign a contract no longer than that which would give him 6 years service time...

I'm not saying they should give up and frankly, I don't think they'll take a step backward at this point...but I'd take a functioning fictional system over the bugged "real" one tomorrow. At least it would be relative within the scheme of things.

I'm just sayin'...

Anyway, still hoping the fix works great and comes soon.

**Scottdau** · 03-12-2011, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by LastActionHero

This brings me back to 2010 where SCEA was looking for some hardcore Show players to test the game. Paid and all. Did they actually set this through? Not to bash on the game or anything because I love it but just just wondering

You can't check everything. This game has a lot of data and a lot of other things that I have no idea what it is, because I am not a computer programer. But I am sure it is not easy to catch everything.

**cas850** · 03-12-2011, 01:40 AM

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can someone enlighten me as to what "OOTP" means? i've seen it a lot but didn't want to start a separate thread...

**Drew127** · 03-12-2011, 01:45 AM

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Originally posted by cas850

can someone enlighten me as to what "OOTP" means? i've seen it a lot but didn't want to start a separate thread...

Out Of the Park baseball...it's a text-based simulator for PC.

**cas850** · 03-12-2011, 02:59 AM

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Originally posted by Drew127

Out Of the Park baseball...it's a text-based simulator for PC.

thanks for the answer

**BoSoxPujols** · 03-12-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by ktd1976

I don't believe the issue is the MLB teams not controlling the rights to the players for 6 years

It is part of the problem. Guys like tbarnes have already confirmed that. Jason Heyward, Dominic Brown etc shouldn't be hitting free agency in 2014. And they are. They should be in arbitration with the team and under team control for six seasons. They can't simply get to the open market before the 6 seasons is up.

The arbitration/player control issue is part of the cause of the free agency problem. We shouldn't be seeing any A rated prospects hitting the open free agent market 2-3 years after they are drafted. It doesn't happen IRL.

**tabarnes19_SDS** · 03-12-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by BoSoxPujols

It is part of the problem. Guys like tbarnes have already confirmed that. Jason Heyward, Dominic Brown etc shouldn't be hitting free agency in 2014. And they are. They should be in arbitration with the team and under team control for six seasons. They can't simply get to the open market before the 6 seasons is up.

The arbitration/player control issue is part of the cause of the free agency problem. We shouldn't be seeing any A rated prospects hitting the open free agent market 2-3 years after they are drafted. It doesn't happen IRL.

Actually it sometimes is worst than that. Those guys sometimes become FA after season 1. Screen grab below from someone who posted in Franchise Issues thread.

What happens is the system does not accurately report, for all players if they are arbitration eligible or renewable. To do a test sim to first offseason. Some players, especially minor leaguers that have 1 year left on their contract, will appear as if they are a FA. They will not have arbitration eligible or renewable next to their names.

If you put an offer in to that player the system then recognizes that they are under team control and you can renew them.

I am not a programmer, but everyone thinks that this is something that can not be patched, I think it may be as simple as a database problem.

Word of caution though, from my limited experience with coding, nothing is simple with computer code.

**srudoff** · 03-12-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by cas850

can someone enlighten me as to what "OOTP" means? i've seen it a lot but didn't want to start a separate thread...

Order of the Phoenix - it's a Harry Potter based baseball simulator

**TheRunAndShoot** · 03-12-2011, 04:49 PM

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does this include the draft having less than 10 starting pitchers each year?

**jrich730** · 03-12-2011, 04:51 PM

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For the contract renewable part you have to place them on the 40 man every player not on the 40 man will be a free agent when ther contract ends

This thread caused the real discussion to get closed but I still don't know whether to keep my game or not

**Mike3207** · 03-12-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by CuseGirl

I kno coding isn't simple at all but it's not possible to simply mark with players are not eligible for free agency, regardless of how many yrs are left on their contract? I mean, wut system is used to keep an RTTS player tethered to their drafting team?

Also, I think I mentioned this earlier, how much do budget's inflate each year?

I don't think budgets increase very much unless you make the playoffs. I simmed the 2011 season with the Reds and missed the playoffs. I had no increase in my budget. I also think your budget increases more if you go deeper in the playoffs.

**Knight165** · 03-12-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by CuseGirl

At the very least, the game should inflate EVERYONE's budget regardless of whether they make the playoffs. It's not like the Pirates have a completely diffrent roster each year...well, Pittsburgh fans, can you comment? lollll.....Also, good teams do miss the playoffs but still have hefty payrolls with long term player contracts. Those contracts escalate and the budgets shud inflate with them....

Yes, these young stars becoming free agents so quickly is ridiculous. Maybe if they could just patch these players to have 5 year contracts (which I kno is a cheap fix), that would at least keep those players off the market....I just want my freaking 21 million per when I'm finally a free agent, 6 "years" with the Indians is torture....

Hey...did anyone try the contract/FA list work around this year yet?(moving the player to and from the list would change the contract length in '10)

M.K.
Knight165

**BwanaKuu** · 03-12-2011, 11:36 PM

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Does the 2013 bug appear in Season mode as well?

**tabarnes19_SDS** · 03-12-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by Knight165

Hey...did anyone try the contract/FA list work around this year yet?(moving the player to and from the list would change the contract length in '10)

M.K.
Knight165

I tried and it DID NOT work for me. Maybe someone else can try? I may have done it incorrectly. I used Jennings and Dominic Brown. Swapped them from team to FA then back. I also tried swapping them, saving, then swapping back.

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