This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

[teddyballgame78]

I tried out the DVI/PC Mode on my Samsung and I'm not sure whether or not there is a huge difference between this and game mode when playing the show. The thing I don't like about DVI/PC is it forces my resolution to 1080p which is not optimized for The Show, and as a result I started seeing some clipping and slight graphic glitches. Overall, I couldn't discern an improvement really in timing compared to game mode, so I'm just going to stick to game mode or switch over to my monitor.

I would really like to see a calibrate lag feature for this game as many play on a tv which experiences lag or a game mode which doesn't eliminate all lag, so it would be a helpful feature.

Is your tv 1080p native resolution? Cause if it is to minimize lag I would force ps3 to that unless you care about graphics more. The input lag is coming from your tv trying to downscale

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[rkligman]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

My TV has a 0.0001 ms delay.

Guys, this is not a game issue. Every single game delays. It's not the game, trust me.

It's super special that you have a no delay TV. Many of us don't. Your right, it's not the game, it's the TV. For 99% of games this delay is irrelevant. For a game like this where 50ms is the difference between hitting down the line and hitting a foul to the opposite field, the effect is profound. The game therefore needs to give us a bone like the music games do an allow us to account for the delay.

How many years do we hear person after person say how hard it is to hit in this game. And it's obvious by this thread that many people haven't a clue there is such a thing as Game Mode. It gives the game a bad name and the user a sour taste in their mouth. I've already shown that there is a 130ms difference between my 26" LCD in Game Mode and my 42" that's not in Game Mode. A pitch takes approx. 450ms. That's an ADDITIONAL 29% reduction in reaction time from whatever delay the TV already induces. We shouldn't be forced to go out and buy a certain select TV with virtually no delay to play the game the way it was meant to be played.

[bakesalee]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

Do your research before buying a TV. PLASMA.

"120hz" and "240hz" are not high standards in technology, they are instead artificial processing; marketing hype to counteract the shortcomings of LCD lag.

Plasma doesn't use "hz"artificial processing , but if it did have a value (just as a motion comparison), I think the plasma I bought in 2008 had the equivilent of about 600.

Sorry to go all avsforum.com on you.

[adam914]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

I tried out the DVI/PC Mode on my Samsung and I'm not sure whether or not there is a huge difference between this and game mode when playing the show. The thing I don't like about DVI/PC is it forces my resolution to 1080p which is not optimized for The Show, and as a result I started seeing some clipping and slight graphic glitches. Overall, I couldn't discern an improvement really in timing compared to game mode, so I'm just going to stick to game mode or switch over to my monitor.

I would really like to see a calibrate lag feature for this game as many play on a tv which experiences lag or a game mode which doesn't eliminate all lag, so it would be a helpful feature.

Same here man, there isnt much of a difference between the two on my Samsung 46" LED. And the graphics take a big hit on both, but game mode is slightly better in that regard compared to the DVI PC move. So right now I am reluctantly sticking with game mode and dealing with the crappy graphics.

[ParisB]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

Do your research before buying a TV. PLASMA.

"120hz" and "240hz" are not high standards in technology, they are instead artificial processing; marketing hype to counteract the shortcomings of LCD lag.

Plasma doesn't use "hz"artificial processing , but if it did have a value (just as a motion comparison), I think the plasma I bought in 2008 had the equivilent of about 600.

Sorry to go all avsforum.com on you.

lol

I can't tell if you're joking around

[authentic]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

It's super special that you have a no delay TV. Many of us don't. Your right, it's not the game, it's the TV. For 99% of games this delay is irrelevant. For a game like this where 50ms is the difference between hitting down the line and hitting a foul to the opposite field, the effect is profound. The game therefore needs to give us a bone like the music games do an allow us to account for the delay.

How many years do we hear person after person say how hard it is to hit in this game. And it's obvious by this thread that many people haven't a clue there is such a thing as Game Mode. It gives the game a bad name and the user a sour taste in their mouth. I've already shown that there is a 130ms difference between my 26" LCD in Game Mode and my 42" that's not in Game Mode. A pitch takes approx. 450ms. That's an ADDITIONAL 29% reduction in reaction time from whatever delay the TV already induces. We shouldn't be forced to go out and buy a certain select TV with virtually no delay to play the game the way it was meant to be played.

Like I said, it's doubtful a lag compensation will ever be put in MLB The Show because LCD tv's are about to become part of the past. It's really sad that that's probably what is the main cause, but it's the reality.

I will however try to help you guys out a little bit with some things I used to do to make the game run smoothly on my LED.

1. Rebuild your database often. This I've found helps make the game run smoothly and prevent the hitching effect it can have.

2. Disconnect internet from your PS3 completely. I don't know, I found this out during the hacking last year. When I didn't have internet hooked up the game was so smooth.

3. Turning down Contrast seems to help my TV. Also, turning off all the advanced options will help.

4. Run the game in "limited" and not "full" on the PS3.

5. Turn the pitch speed down a notch, maybe only to 4.

6. I did find that using PC mode helped make games run better, however the game really was toned down and didn't look very nice. Maybe a set of good calibration settings would help this.

7. I have heard that running the HDMI to DVI will help and also will make the game look just as nice. You use this as an adapter and they aren't very expensive. Definetely a cheaper alternative to buying a Plasma.

8. Obviously, the most expensive alternative, buy a TV that is very good for lag input, particularly a Plasma.

It's sad that gamers have to make the choice of all these things to get a good game experience. Fortunatley, it doesn't cost that much to get a very good Plasma TV. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't want to buy a TV just for gaming.

No doubt an input lag calibrator would be helpful, but I think it would take some work to make it work properly, and I think they are working on deeper things in this franchise.

[mva5580]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

This thread has more than proven the point.....it's an issue.

I guess I'm just going to have to settle for setting the pitch speed low and figuring out the timing that needs to be compensated for thanks to the input lag.

[pokerlife]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

i wonder if they could add the lag callibrate test to us through a patch?

[spitoon]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

Like I said, it's doubtful a lag compensation will ever be put in MLB The Show because LCD tv's are about to become part of the past. It's really sad that that's probably what is the main cause, but it's the reality.

There is a ton of mis-information in this thread. I'm no expert, but I have done a great deal of research on this due to my own challenges with input lag.

Response time has nothing to do with Input Lag. Authentic's claim of 0.0001ms of lag is impossible. A plasma can have 0.0001ms response time, but its not going to have 0.0001ms of input lag.

I used to have an old 50" Hitachi Rear Projection LCD TV that had very little lag. Then I moved to a 50" Samsung Plasma and I couldn't hit worth a damn. Game Mode, PC input etc, helps a bit, but it's still there. I've learned to live with it, but it's still there. I also have a 40" Samsung LCD TV in my bedroom that I can't play on at all, even with Game Mode activated.

A calibrate lag feature would be great if it could be figured.

A fun little 'non-scientific' test is to go here --> http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/
And test out your reaction time. Try it on a computer attached to a PC monitor and then try it on your PS3. I tried on 5 different monitors and the differences were quite amazing. Give yourself 10+ tries on each device and see what your average is.

Here are my results:

CRT monitor in my office (which should, in theory, have the least lag): 185ms

Desktop monitor (an LCD screen): 200ms (LCD monitors don't have image processing like your TV does, but are slower than old CRT monitors)

50" Samsung Plasma TV (my main gaming TV): 235ms

40" Samsung LCD (in my bedroom): 275ms.

Old 50" Hitachi Rear Projection HDTV (great for gaming): 225ms (sadly it died)

It's important to note that this is not a direct measure of input lag. More accurately it is an indication of my reaction time. But if you assume that my reaction time is similar across all devices, then you can see that there is a difference of 90ms between the CRT (best) and the Samsung LCD (worst).

Everybody's results will different, but my threshold seems to be somewhere around 225ms. Less than that and I don't notice it, more than that and it causes some problems.

Apparently there are some 'commercial grade' displays that have virtually zero image processing which should theoretically remove most input lag...they are very pricey however.

[willIam9387]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

Just switched around my configuration, went back to game mode, went to display settings, the RGB option I put to limited, and I switched my hdmi input to "game". Also forced 720p. I went into practice mode and the changes are noticeable, even more noticeable than PC mode as I was able to turn on fastballs, even Strasburg I was able to turn on granted I anticipated the pitch. This prob won't work for everyone, but if you have a Samsung LCD give this is a shot.

[mva5580]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

I know this is going to be sacrilegious to most who read this particular board.....but I'm done. It's not worth my aggravation. I downloaded MLB2K12 for PC and I can actually play that game w/o feeling like I'm going to have a heart attack. And before you even ask yes my PC is hooked up to the exact same HDTV, with the exact same HDMI input.

In 2K12 I can see pitches, I have the ability to at least somewhat react to them, and when I press A to swing....I swing. I played 2 games; won 1 and lost 1, but it didn't matter. I felt like I could actually play the game and not absolutely flip out at the timing of hitting. This was on the 2K "All Star" Difficulty level.

I fully acknowledge that overall, The Show is the better baseball game. But the timing mechanic of the hitting is so frustrating to me, it's not worth it. Hopefully whoever buys my copy enjoys it more than I did.

[Stormyhog]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

I don't have any input lag on my 120 hz 32" LG lcd but I do have some stutter or jitterness when a ball is hit through the infield and sometimes on fly balls. It doesn't always happen but it is noticable when it does. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it just the game or tv related? I have turned off the trumotion on my tv and I still see it. It's fine when pitching and hitting it's just when the ball goes into play. Is the game running smooth for everyone else? Thanks.

[gator3guy]

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My buddy just texted me and asked, "is hitting in the Show hard this year?" And he just uses timing. I asked him if he had an HDTV and he said yeah. This is frustrating.

[BBWalk]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

Hey guys while I'm no expert my recent experience going through three tv's till I found one with satisfactory input lag (panasonic plasma).

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This is exactly why I've been using Panasonic plasma displays for the last 7 years. LCD tv's just aren't up to par for gaming when it come to response time and input lag although I'm pretty sensitive to these issues. A lot of my friends has lcd tv's and it doesn't bother them.

I just upgraded my 4 year old 50" 720p to a 55" 1080p model and love it. I even leave the Panny version of 'cinema smooth' on full for games that run under 30 fps and it really helps smooth out the motion without any significant input lag.

[ParisB]

Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

I don't have any input lag on my 120 hz 32" LG lcd but I do have some stutter or jitterness when a ball is hit through the infield and sometimes on fly balls. It doesn't always happen but it is noticable when it does. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it just the game or tv related? I have turned off the trumotion on my tv and I still see it. It's fine when pitching and hitting it's just when the ball goes into play. Is the game running smooth for everyone else? Thanks.

I have the same issue(s). It's not the TV, it's frame rate issues that The Show has. It's usually more noticeable in certain stadiums. It's hard code, so nothing you can do about it, just the limitations of the PS3. The game still stays above 30 frames per second, but most people don't notice it, while others like us do.