2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[mpbaseball22]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

If they won't trade Andrus/Profar for UPTON, they're not trading him for Dickey.

Loath is a pretty strong word.

This is old but pretty clear.

I didnt see untouchable in there, just didnt want to trade them for JUpton or Josh Johnson. I personally dont think Profar would ever move, but I could see Andrus moving. ITS VERY UNLIKELY. But it could happen and ANDRUS isnt untouchable imo.

[AC]

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I didnt see untouchable in there, just didnt want to trade them for JUpton or Josh Johnson. I personally dont think Profar would ever move, but I could see Andrus moving. ITS VERY UNLIKELY. But it could happen and ANDRUS isnt untouchable imo.

If they're not willing to trade him for a five-tool 25-year-old, why would they trade him for a 38-year-old rental pitcher who's wanting a ton of cash after one great season?

[mpbaseball22]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

If they're not willing to trade him for a five-tool 25-year-old, why would they trade him for a 38-year-old rental pitcher who's wanting a ton of cash after one great season?

You said Texas wont trade Profar, Olt, or Andrus. I said they would. I didnt mean for Dickey though, I was just saying that I could see them moving Andrus or Olt.

[AC]

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You said Texas wont trade Profar, Olt, or Andrus. I said they would. I didnt mean for Dickey though, I was just saying that I could see them moving Andrus or Olt.

Well obviously, for something huge, but I don't see how just trading them in general is relevant to this.

[TheNumber35]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Just chiming in, I doubt Verlander would get dealt after the two seasons you described AC. I personally don't think that two years removed from being the best pitcher in baseball, and after a couple of un-Verlander like seasons. DD being the GM that he is and the fact that he could be had for a much lower price than advanced metrics say he should be worth makes him appealing to hold on to. HOWEVER, I think the value you described was fair if he were to be traded. Personally I don't see a scenario where Verlander moves anytime soon, unless he's walking away on his own accord but if its realistic enough for you, then go for it.

[AC]

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OK I definitely gotta listen to 35...

Do you realize he's a rental? I'm not asking sarcastically, I'm just wondering because I wrote a freaking essay and you may have missed. I think they'd try and get max value.

[mpbaseball22]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Well obviously, for something huge, but I don't see how just trading them in general is relevant to this.

Because you said Texas wont trade Olt, Profar, or Andrus? Me saying they would trade Andrus/Olt is definitely relevant

[AC]

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Because you said Texas wont trade Olt, Profar, or Andrus? Me saying they would trade Andrus/Olt is definitely relevant

I meant they wouldn't do it for Dickey and we're venturing into a separate conversation..

OK, to the OP, Dickey for an A is probably fine.

[TheNumber35]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I saw that, and that's why I think they may hold on to him. I mean, in theory they could get JJ back...but his injury history makes him scary to acquire, especially considering Verlander is a horse and will make 200 innings and 32-35 starts a season every year. I just don't see them selling when his value is low, if anything they'd hold him til the deadline and see where they stood. His value could go up or they could be contending, or both.

Again, I personally don't see it...but I will openly admit that I have bias here. If everyone else thinks he can move, I can respect that and move on

[G3no_11]

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I saw that, and that's why I think they may hold on to him. I mean, in theory they could get JJ back...but his injury history makes him scary to acquire, especially considering Verlander is a horse and will make 200 innings and 32-35 starts a season every year. I just don't see them selling when his value is low, if anything they'd hold him til the deadline and see where they stood. His value could go up or they could be contending, or both.

Again, I personally don't see it...but I will openly admit that I have bias here. If everyone else thinks he can move, I can respect that and move on

You basically have the exact opinon I expressed earlier. I just feel like they would take the chance of holding on to him til the deadline because he still has a very good chance of getting back to his CY form, making his value worth much much more or using him for a playoff push.

[AC]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I saw that, and that's why I think they may hold on to him. I mean, in theory they could get JJ back...but his injury history makes him scary to acquire, especially considering Verlander is a horse and will make 200 innings and 32-35 starts a season every year. I just don't see them selling when his value is low, if anything they'd hold him til the deadline and see where they stood. His value could go up or they could be contending, or both.

Again, I personally don't see it...but I will openly admit that I have bias here. If everyone else thinks he can move, I can respect that and move on

He hasn't reached 200 IP in either of the past two years.

I think the only way they'd sell so low if they got a great package back, which they are.

JJ hasn't been injured once for more than a couple starts (read: 2-3) since 2011, I don't think, if he's been injured at all.

I can understand your bias, and I think I have a great hypothetical comp.

Say Jose Bautista followed his 54 HR, awesome 2010, with a 20 HR/.240 AVG season, and then in 2013 hit like .230 with 15 homers. I mean, the dude's great and had an amazing season, but there's no reason not to trade him, especially if you got a great package back.

[TheNumber35]

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He hasn't reached 200 IP in either of the past two years.

I think the only way they'd sell so low if they got a great package back, which they are.

JJ hasn't been injured once for more than a couple starts (read: 2-3) since 2011, I don't think, if he's been injured at all.

I can understand your bias, and I think I have a great hypothetical comp.

Say Jose Bautista followed his 54 HR, awesome 2010, with a 20 HR/.240 AVG season, and then in 2013 hit like .230 with 15 homers. I mean, the dude's great and had an amazing season, but there's no reason not to trade him, especially if you got a great package back.

If I were in the shoes of the GM, I wouldn't pull the trigger. I've never been all that high on Johnson, especially considering his injury history. But I definitely know there are GMs who would pull it.

Again, I'm not saying it can't or wouldn't happen, I'm just saying I wouldn't pull the trigger. Verlander's MVP upside and potential tops a couple blue chip prospects and an injury-waiting-to-happen in Johnson IMO.

EDIT: Forgot to address Bautista, while that comp is good...the only difference is that Verlander has been a consistent force in the rotation from day one in 2006 (except the one year where he lost himself, was it 07 or 08, I can't remember?) Bautista's season could have potentially been a flash in the pan since he hadn't done anything prior to that and he was aging, Verlander had been a consistent mid to high 3 ERA guy with 170+ K since he came up.

[fanofikedavis]

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Texas won't trade Olt, Andrus, or Profar. You *could* go for an A prospect (straight up), but not more than 1 A and 1 C.

I understand. I'm definitly going for Perez. I'll end up trading Dickey for him and someone else then package Murphy and maybe Duda for a better, younger second baseman.

What do you think I could get for Wright? I'm interested in sending him to KC, since they're close to contending and Wright would be a great veteran presence for them. Any chance I could get Moustakas/Myers and someone else (maybe a young B or C arm) for David?

Wright's stats are: .315 BA, 23 HR, 97 RBI, 14 SB, 4 Errors (Golden Glove Winner)

I recently signed him to a 5 year deal (club option for 6th) worth around 16.5 million per year.

[AC]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

If I were in the shoes of the GM, I wouldn't pull the trigger. I've never been all that high on Johnson, especially considering his injury history. But I definitely know there are GMs who would pull it.

Again, I'm not saying it can't or wouldn't happen, I'm just saying I wouldn't pull the trigger. Verlander's MVP upside and potential tops a couple blue chip prospects and an injury-waiting-to-happen in Johnson IMO.

I think JJ's past his injury history, but what if I were to change up the package? Maybe Peavy (I know he's injury prone too)... I'm not giving up Morrow, he's pretty much been 2011 Verlander (24 wins up to this point with one more start )

There IS Justin Nicolino... Went 11-7 (irrelevant) with a 4.17 ERA, he's our highest B, one step from an A (I have simmed an confirmed this), and he's been hot for most of the season (had one terrible start, has a good DIPS but I'm not at my PS3 anymore).

He's only 21.

[G3no_11]

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Are you saying Peavy+Nicolino for Verlander?