2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[fanofikedavis]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I'm a huge fan of Wright, but I don't think KC would want him... their main focus is pitching and they like Moose.

If he's signed he's that much more valuable... I think the Angels would be a good fit, but they don't have enough to give you... what about Atlanta? They've said that they would take a 3B/OF to replace Chipper, they don't care about where they play Prado.

I don't know. The thought of a Mets fan favorite on a rivaly kind of erks me, and running it realistically, I would never hear the end of it form the virtual fans

I may just hold onto Wright. I'm really in no rush to deal him, but if I could find someone to overwhelm me or I could win in a deal I propose, then I will definitly consider. Maybe if I really start to tank and payroll takes a toll, I'll shop him a lot harder.

[AC]

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Pitchers also tend to have lengthier careers, especially ones with superior command.

Yes, but a good deal of the time (most) they decline. Halladay won't be pitching like his CY season when he's 40 lol.

Do you think JJ + Nicolino + Sanchez/Syndergaard would blow them away enough to be realistic?

Chris Carpenter? Roy Oswalt? Those are just current ones I can think of... there are plenty in past seasons that pitched well in their mid-late 30's.

You could definitely put Verlander in the same conversation as those pitchers. Maybe not after the seasons he had in your franchise, but a pitcher can still have plenty of life after 31. (especially when they are as consistent as Verlander)

It's aside from the point. Just saying it would be much more realistic for the Tigers to wait until the deadline. Playoff contention, very likely to turn it around, very likely to get higher value, could find a team desperate for SP and get an even better deal.... ect..

But see, Verlander isn't consistent, this is a different world.

How about I wait until April 27th?

[AC]

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I don't know. The thought of a Mets fan favorite on a rivaly kind of erks me, and running it realistically, I would never hear the end of it form the virtual fans

I may just hold onto Wright. I'm really in no rush to deal him, but if I could find someone to overwhelm me or I could win in a deal I propose, then I will definitly consider. Maybe if I really start to tank and payroll takes a toll, I'll shop him a lot harder.

I'd keep him, I really like Wright.

[G3no_11]

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But see, Verlander isn't consistent, this is a different world.

How about I wait until April 27th?

Verlander is still likely to turn it around.

and who makes major trades in April? I'd say wait until June at least.

[AC]

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Verlander is still likely to turn it around.

and who makes major trades in April? I'd say wait until June at least.

I was going off the people saying wait a month or two...

Who says Verlander is likely to turn it around? I think you're letting his real life stats effect your decision too much. His BABIP was around .309, so that won't regress TOO much (about average), which won't help him very much.

[CameRoN0407]

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I was going off the people saying wait a month or two...

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[G3no_11]

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I was going off the people saying wait a month or two...

Who says Verlander is likely to turn it around? I think you're letting his real life stats effect your decision too much. His BABIP was around .309, so that won't regress TOO much (about average), which won't help him very much.

I think he will turn it around because he was good from '06-'12 with an off year in '08. That's pretty consistent to me and he bounced back fine from that bad year... I also think he will turn it around because he's only 31 and is a top rated pitcher in the game.
IMO I feel like it's much more likely for him to turn it around than to keep posting +4 ERA's for the rest of his career.

[AC]

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I think he will turn it around because he was good from '06-'12 with an off year in '08. That's pretty consistent to me and he bounced back fine from that bad year... I also think he will turn it around because he's only 31 and is a top rated pitcher in the game.
IMO I feel like it's much more likely for him to turn it around than to keep posting +4 ERA's for the rest of his career.

Like I said, you're factoring IRL into this too much. '12 was a 4.18 ERA.

Matsuz is a high rated, A OVR pitcher, too, but he hasn't had an ERA under 5, ever.

He was a mid 3's ERA pitcher with some fluctuations... He's also had super low BABIPs, I mean, his 2011 one was .236 w/ the average being between .290/.310 (closer to .3), that's just ridiculous. His highest BABIP was 3.19 aside from his rookie year, his defence has been very good.

[G3no_11]

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Like I said, you're factoring IRL into this too much. '12 was a 4.18 ERA.

Real life should factor a little bit.... even if he was only good '06-'11, it's still pretty consistent and he's shown he can turn it around after a bad year. I'm not basing my opinion strictly on real life stats.
A big factor is that he's only 31 and very high rated... Another thing why I think the Tigers would wait: the Tigers want 31 year old pitchers that have post season experience because they are a contending team, if they were out of contention... pull the trigger, but since their in contention I think it's realistic to wait to see how he performs.

[AC]

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Real life should factor a little bit.... even if he was only good '06-'11, it's still pretty consistent and he's shown he can turn it around after a bad year. I'm not basing my opinion strictly on real life stats.
A big factor is that he's only 31 and very high rated... Another thing why I think the Tigers would wait: the Tigers want 31 year old pitchers that have post season experience because they are a contending team, if they were out of contention... pull the trigger, but since their in contention I think it's realistic to wait to see how he performs.

Why should IRL '12 count in my franchise? I see no point in that that isn't just purely beneficial to your point, it's illogical.

His ERA fluctuated from '06 to 11, granted, it's been good, but his defence has helped him a TON, and he didn't show he could turn it around. After a bad '12, he had an ever worse 2013.

If I'm giving them two MLB ready pitchers in JJ/Nicolino, and a AAA pitcher in either Sanchez or Synder, I don't think it'd be helping them rebuild... it'd be improve their rotation and farm system tremendously, while we'd be taking a chance on a guy who had some good years.

[G3no_11]

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Why should IRL '12 count in my franchise? I see no point in that that isn't just purely beneficial to your point, it's illogical.

His ERA fluctuated from '06 to 11, granted, it's been good, but his defence has helped him a TON, and he didn't show he could turn it around. After a bad '12, he had an ever worse 2013.

If I'm giving them two MLB ready pitchers in JJ/Nicolino, and a AAA pitcher in either Sanchez or Synder, I don't think it'd be helping them rebuild... it'd be improve their rotation and farm system tremendously, while we'd be taking a chance on a guy who had some good years.

Not using IRL '12 stats.

[rjackson]

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If DET as a team becomes better and I do not mean marginally--a notable and marked improvement--then they would do it. They can win a division but not get deep into the playoffs. DD is more willing to take risks than some other GMs and while he wouldn't want to do this while JV's value is low, he would if someone still gave regular value. That said, they'd want proven MLB players to make a serious run, not chances on prospects.

[AC]

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Not using IRL '12 stats.

I... what? I'm not sure what you're getting at here...

If DET as a team becomes better and I do not mean marginally--a notable and marked improvement--then they would do it. They can win a division but not get deep into the playoffs. DD is more willing to take risks than some other GMs and while he wouldn't want to do this while JV's value is low, he would if someone still gave regular value. That said, they'd want proven MLB players to make a serious run, not chances on prospects.

Exactly my thoughts. Johnson has been much better than Verlander each of the last two seasons, and Nicolino just completed a quality first full season. Sanchez/Synder are both already B OVR, so they could factor into someone's rotation quite nicely. Both ripped up AA, and Sanchez was good (mid 3's ERA) in a brief (4-5 starts) AAA stint (filling in for an injury).

[CameRoN0407]

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I... what? I'm not sure what you're getting at here...



Exactly my thoughts. Johnson has been much better than Verlander each of the last two seasons, and Nicolino just completed a quality first full season. Sanchez/Synder are both already B OVR, so they could factor into someone's rotation quite nicely. Both ripped up AA, and Sanchez was good (mid 3's ERA) in a brief (4-5 starts) AAA stint (filling in for an injury).

OK, let's do this.... Everybody who put their $.02 in (including me) take a vote on the trade...

Tigers get:
JJ A OVR and nice stats
Nicolino B OVR B POT had quality first season
Synder B OVR A POT MLB ready if needed

Jays get:
Justin Verlander
Eat up Martinez's contract if he's still around, if he's not... get someone that has a huge contract that sucks.

I like it...

[37]

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i wouldn't want JJ in return IF im giving up JV