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  • nomo17k
    Permanently Banned
    • Feb 2011
    • 5735

    #106
    Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

    Originally posted by lowlander
    How many MOM players have umpires off, and if so are you seeing a lot of low scoring games? It seems clear to me after about 50 games that something has been done to gameplay which has changed the game this year.

    I thought the show '11 had it perfect in terms of gameplay with umpires off which theoretically is the purest way to test the code, no manufactured interference from variable AI "umpires".

    Another question, does anybody know the difference between umpire settings "standard" and "off"?
    I've never played with variable umpires off, but would you care to post stats so that we can see what the issue is?

    Even just the general team stats you can take screenshot of would help. I don't know which team you are using to make the judgement, but I'm seeing terrible teams doing terribly (as expected) in my season through April.
    The Show CPU vs. CPU game stats: 2018,17,16,15,14,13,12,11

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    • lowlander
      Banned
      • Mar 2012
      • 69

      #107
      Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

      Originally posted by nomo17k
      I've never played with variable umpires off, but would you care to post stats so that we can see what the issue is?

      Even just the general team stats you can take screenshot of would help. I don't know which team you are using to make the judgement, but I'm seeing terrible teams doing terribly (as expected) in my season through April.
      I don't know how I would take a screen shot but you could help here since you use variable. Turn umpires off for a month and compare results to variable.

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      • nomo17k
        Permanently Banned
        • Feb 2011
        • 5735

        #108
        Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

        Originally posted by lowlander
        I don't know how I would take a screen shot but you could help here since you use variable. Turn umpires off for a month and compare results to variable.
        I would experiment with things if I find them interesting enough, but I just don't see any evidence that variable umps factor in as much as you think.

        If you at least make some effort letting us see the stats you are having problem with, maybe that could be a motivator. But with nothing to go on, I just wouldn't waste time on it...

        Besides, I'm trying to rack up stats to see if there's any significant difference among different home plate umpires. If I turn variable umps off, then I have to halt that endeavor.
        The Show CPU vs. CPU game stats: 2018,17,16,15,14,13,12,11

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        • Cavicchi
          MVP
          • Mar 2004
          • 2841

          #109
          Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

          Originally posted by lowlander
          How many MOM players have umpires off, and if so are you seeing a lot of low scoring games? It seems clear to me after about 50 games that something has been done to gameplay which has changed the game this year.

          I thought the show '11 had it perfect in terms of gameplay with umpires off which theoretically is the purest way to test the code, no manufactured interference from variable AI "umpires".

          Another question, does anybody know the difference between umpire settings "standard" and "off"?
          Off is supposed to mean the umpires don't make a mistake. I tried it that way and found they still get calls wrong, so I just leave it on Variable as that seems to be the case no matter what you do. What really kills me are those strikes mostly inside border being called a ball and CPU gets the strike call for same pitch.

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          • lowlander
            Banned
            • Mar 2012
            • 69

            #110
            Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

            Originally posted by nomo17k
            I would experiment with things if I find them interesting enough, but I just don't see any evidence that variable umps factor in as much as you think.

            If you at least make some effort letting us see the stats you are having problem with, maybe that could be a motivator. But with nothing to go on, I just wouldn't waste time on it...

            Besides, I'm trying to rack up stats to see if there's any significant difference among different home plate umpires. If I turn variable umps off, then I have to halt that endeavor.
            Kind of hard to find evidence without research. I changed from off to variable and if I restart my franchise when opening day rosters and a patch are released I might go back to off just to see if anything has changed, but at this point I think my head might explode if I have to sit through a bunch of low scoring games again. I remember a game where I left my struggling pitcher in with the bases loaded just because I wanted to see some runs scored, even if it was the opponent scoring the runs.

            As far as variable umpires, do you think each umpire has a personality or does the game just randomly decide whether to favor the hitters or pitchers in a given game without regard to who the umpire is? I wonder if "variable umpires" is just a random boost given to offense or defense.

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            • nomo17k
              Permanently Banned
              • Feb 2011
              • 5735

              #111
              Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

              Originally posted by lowlander
              Kind of hard to find evidence without research. I changed from off to variable and if I restart my franchise when opening day rosters and a patch are released I might go back to off just to see if anything has changed, but at this point I think my head might explode if I have to sit through a bunch of low scoring games again. I remember a game where I left my struggling pitcher in with the bases loaded just because I wanted to see some runs scored, even if it was the opponent scoring the runs.

              As far as variable umpires, do you think each umpire has a personality or does the game just randomly decide whether to favor the hitters or pitchers in a given game without regard to who the umpire is? I wonder if "variable umpires" is just a random boost given to offense or defense.
              All I can say is that I'm not seeing what you describe (with variable ump on). In my season even the lowest scoring team's scoring the average of 3.8 runs per game (Dodgers and Indians).

              I'll report if I find any personality differences in home plate umpires. But I can only see if they show up in stats (like BB/K, strike %, etc.) though. In real life, they do seem to have significant differences...
              The Show CPU vs. CPU game stats: 2018,17,16,15,14,13,12,11

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              • Recon
                Rookie
                • Apr 2003
                • 480

                #112
                Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

                Stupid question but how do you enable MoM?
                "Chris SABO is my HERO!!"

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                • nomo17k
                  Permanently Banned
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 5735

                  #113
                  Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

                  Originally posted by Recon
                  Stupid question but how do you enable MoM?
                  If you live in the basement of your parents' home, then she probably is somewhere upstairs.

                  Or when you select a game from the schedule in season/franchise, one of the options is to manage the game.
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                  • Knight165
                    *ll St*r
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 24964

                    #114
                    Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

                    Originally posted by nomo17k
                    If you live in the basement of your parents' home, then she probably is somewhere upstairs.

                    Or when you select a game from the schedule in season/franchise, one of the options is to manage the game.
                    Haha...
                    Okay, I needed a laugh.
                    The sky is falling and conspiracy threads are starting to get to me.

                    Thank you for that.

                    M.K.
                    Knight165
                    All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                    • lowlander
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 69

                      #115
                      Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

                      Originally posted by nomo17k
                      All I can say is that I'm not seeing what you describe (with variable ump on). In my season even the lowest scoring team's scoring the average of 3.8 runs per game (Dodgers and Indians).

                      I'll report if I find any personality differences in home plate umpires. But I can only see if they show up in stats (like BB/K, strike %, etc.) though. In real life, they do seem to have significant differences...
                      I feel like I'm stuck in an Abbott and Costello routine. I'm trying to get some feedback from people who use MOM with umpires set to off. If you get bored start playing games with that that setting and see how many games it takes before one team gets 10 hits.

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                      • nomo17k
                        Permanently Banned
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 5735

                        #116
                        Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

                        Originally posted by lowlander
                        I feel like I'm stuck in an Abbott and Costello routine. I'm trying to get some feedback from people who use MOM with umpires set to off. If you get bored start playing games with that that setting and see how many games it takes before one team gets 10 hits.
                        How many games did it take for you before seeing a game with one team hitting > 10 hits? You really mean never? And which teams have you used? I just want to know, because if you are using the Mets or something, your offense probably is very bad to begin with.

                        It just really bothers me those who complain about weird stuff like this are never helpful enough to actually let us see what's going on and figure out what really the situation is. "I know when I see it... I have eyes and brain..." well I cannot see what you are seeing and I certainly don't share brain with you... if you really are serious about trying to resolve the issue, please do help us see what it is. Is it so hard for you to just let me know which teams you are using at least? What about just BA, OBP, ERA, etc., something you can easily copy and type from the standings screen for a couple teams? Some info from box score? Doesn't even have to be full box score... just something helpful.

                        Maybe I'm gonna just turn off the variable ump the next time the Yanks/BoSox or some offensive team plays in my season... it probably won't take a few games before I see double-digit hits games.
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                        • Braves Fan
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 1151

                          #117
                          Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

                          This just in, don't use the 'brush back' option. It's more like a 'hit batter' option. Has anyone used this and the pitch actually not hit the batter?

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                          • Knight165
                            *ll St*r
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 24964

                            #118
                            Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

                            Originally posted by Braves Fan
                            This just in, don't use the 'brush back' option. It's more like a 'hit batter' option. Has anyone used this and the pitch actually not hit the batter?
                            I have...but rarely.
                            It's rarely done anymore.
                            Guys are too timid and the league is too PC about it IMO.

                            M.K.
                            Knight165
                            All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                            • jripper09
                              Rookie
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 195

                              #119
                              Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

                              LOL! i actually use this when other teams throw at kemp or eithier to retaliate! haha! but 9 times out of ten end up hitting batter in the foot with some slow breaking ball!

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                              • Braves Fan
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 1151

                                #120
                                Re: Manage Only Sub-Thread

                                Yeah I always end up hitting the guy in the leg....haha!

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