Franchise trading.

[lumberjake]

Re: Franchise trading.

Seeing these lists means im considering using 30 team control for the first time ever.

That said i might just live and let live, who knows, or simply keep trading off until at least halfway through the season.

You can't do that, you get the option to turn trades on/off at the start of franchise and that is it.

Also, thanks for the step by step for the 2 profile setups. It will definitely help once the OSFM Minors come out.

[dbacks_Nation]

Re: Franchise trading.

Here are the trades ive seen so far.

Aroldis Chapman for Michael Choice (meh, stupid but maybe Cincy wanted the CF)

Zach Wheeler for Brett Anderson

Red Sox seem to have traded for Cespedes only to then trade him for Jimmy Rollins

Reds then trade Choice to Colorado for Cuddyer

Royals trade Mike Montgomery for Wandy Rodriguez (dumb trade, I mean really stupid)

Mouse tacos traded for David Wright

Yu Darvish for Roy Halladay (wtf?)

ATL trades Freeman and Delgado for Justin Moreneau

Yankees traded some minor leaguer for Torii Hunter

Brandon Belt for Carlos Pena

Alfonso Soriano for Travis d'Arnaud

Ichiro traded for some minor leaguer

I mean there were a lot of very good trades, but some very big head scratchers.

I can totally see Wheeler for Anderson.
Brandon Belt is just a young Carlos Pena.


There is a lot of logic behind those trades, IMO.

[Cpre5]

Re: Franchise trading.

Off season: rough few days for Cueto

12/4/13
J.Cueto traded to the Braves

12/6/13
J.Cueto traded to the Rangers

12/7/13
J.Cueto traded to the Diamondbacks

Reds got T.Hanson
Braves got F.Liriano
Rangers got I.Kennedy


Also giants grabbed Strasburg for Vogelsong

[TheHammer19]

Re: Franchise trading.

I just did this trade in my franchise... (I'm the Twins)

TWINS (I) RECEIVE:
JOSE BAUTISTA

BLUE JAYS RECEIVE:
JUSTIN MOURNEAU
SCOTT BAKER

What do you guys think???

[shadia147]

Re: Franchise trading.

Has anyone considered that maybe the AI takes payroll into consideration?
Take the Chipper Jones trade... How much is Jones contract vs Zimmermans?

Looking at these trades, it looks as though the AI trades away older expensive talent for cheaper potential.
As far as the multiple trades with one player, frankly I'm thinking thats how the AI must perform three-way trades. It has to acquire a player first before it can trade him again the next day.
I thought that the Devs said Trade Logic in Franchise mode was deliberately set for long term results. I.E. Your team would trade away expensive superstars for cheaper high potential prospects. Maybe Zimmerman is no longer a "Prospect", but he is younger and cheaper.
And in season mode, the logic makes trades based on immediate results, unlike in Franchise.
Franchise =Long term
Season= Immediate

From the complaints I'm reading, it sounds as though most of you are thinking in "Season Mode" rather than" Franchise Mode".
And that might explain whats going on.

[lumberjake]

Re: Franchise trading.

I am not. I play the game for Franchise. Its what I do. For almost every single team to be unrecognizable after 1 1/2 years in franchise is absurd to me. The trades make sense now, but at the time the other trades didn't happen. The Zimmerman deal didn't happen until a month later, but again I figured along with what a lot of people have said that potential/prospects wouldn't be easy to be had. A 39 year old for a 19 year old straight up is extremely easy to be had. That isn't long term thinking for the Angels like you suggest, it is for Atlanta. I'm just starting to see it as teams who are starting to go for it are trading away farm systems for mediocrity, which doesn't exactly happen in real life ever. Although both teams were in first place so I have no idea. I know this is a game, but it was said that logic addressed this and it hasn't.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Franchise trading.

Has anyone considered that maybe the AI takes payroll into consideration?
Take the Chipper Jones trade... How much is Jones contract vs Zimmermans?

Looking at these trades, it looks as though the AI trades away older expensive talent for cheaper potential.
As far as the multiple trades with one player, frankly I'm thinking thats how the AI must perform three-way trades. It has to acquire a player first before it can trade him again the next day.
I thought that the Devs said Trade Logic in Franchise mode was deliberately set for long term results. I.E. Your team would trade away expensive superstars for cheaper high potential prospects. Maybe Zimmerman is no longer a "Prospect", but he is younger and cheaper.
And in season mode, the logic makes trades based on immediate results, unlike in Franchise.
Franchise =Long term
Season= Immediate

From the complaints I'm reading, it sounds as though most of you are thinking in "Season Mode" rather than" Franchise Mode".
And that might explain whats going on.

Salary is taken into consideration. A team that is in rebuilding mode looks to shed salary while a team in playoff push will take on salary. Now the only problem I see with the logic is that teams in playoff push will give up a very good younger player for an older player at the same position. I don't really see where they are getting any better. Somewhere the logic seems off.

Taking the example of the Jones-Zimmerman trade. It makes sense for the Braves they get a good(cheaper) third baseman to replace their aging overpaid third baseman. How does it make the Nats better though? It's almost like playoff push means add older players, not necessary better.

The idea is right...just needs some tweaking.

[lumberjake]

Re: Franchise trading.

Tabarnes,from my little time I've been a member of this board, you and Knight seem to be the ones to know the most with things like this. The logic does seem off.

I don't know if you saw the trades post I made, but it wasn't Jones for Zimmerman straight up.

Chipper was traded to the Angels for Mike Trout.

A month after that the Braves decided to trade Brian McCann for Zimmerman.

So they were able to get Zimmerman and Trout essentially for Chipper and McCann, which they benefit most from. The Angels lose on all counts essentially and Washington got a great catcher, but it just seems off.

Also, the Angels and Braves were in first place and Washington the wild card leader the time these trades took place. Granted, it wasn't even 80 games into the year and everyone was in normal mode and not rebuilding.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Franchise trading.

Yeah there are some tweaks that can be made, but no AI trading logic can be perfect, since no human logic is.

There are times that I scratch my head and others that I think make sense.

I believe the logic looks at a few factors. Where they are in the standings(rebuilding, play off push etc.), where there depth is, and what the team needs are.

Sometimes though using those criteria the computer makes illogical trades. For instance the Angels were probably in playoff push and Braves in rebuilding. I believe they have Trout listed as a CF and the Angels have depth there with Bourjois. So they give up Trout for a need at third base. Not necessarily the best move, but logical.

The ones I don't like to see are the ones were a team is in rebuilding mode and will give its best player away for a couple D potential relief pitchers. Or a team in playoff push will trade away vets for prospects.

Edit. Sorry just read they were both in first place when trading. I have noticed alot of "lateral" trades as well. I think there needs to be more of a premium on younger talent. Baseball has done a 180 the last 10 years ago. Young talent used to always get traded away for vets, its not that way anymore. teams hold onto the young talent now.

[shadia147]

Re: Franchise trading.

I am not. I play the game for Franchise. Its what I do. For almost every single team to be unrecognizable after 1 1/2 years in franchise is absurd to me. The trades make sense now, but at the time the other trades didn't happen. The Zimmerman deal didn't happen until a month later, but again I figured along with what a lot of people have said that potential/prospects wouldn't be easy to be had. A 39 year old for a 19 year old straight up is extremely easy to be had. That isn't long term thinking for the Angels like you suggest, it is for Atlanta. I'm just starting to see it as teams who are starting to go for it are trading away farm systems for mediocrity, which doesn't exactly happen in real life ever. Although both teams were in first place so I have no idea. I know this is a game, but it was said that logic addressed this and it hasn't.

There's two things I find interesting in this quote, but I'm not sure I'm understanding the context.
1) You say the trades "Make Sense Now but at the time the other trades hadnt happened" . Does that imply that at least some trades are not obvious when they first happen, But become clear later on?
2) That teams that are "Going for it" are trading away their Farm Systems for mediocrity... Is that opinion or fact? In otherwords, a player that we might all believe is mediocre IRL in 2011 might develop into a stud later in the game universe. Is this a possibility?
Not trying to schill for game, but at I want to understand exactly where the problem lies.

[shadia147]

Re: Franchise trading.

I DO want to try to make one point;
In Franchise mode, Finances are as much a part of the game as Hitting and Pitching.
My question is whether Financial Considerations take precedence over Player Talent?

[shadia147]

Re: Franchise trading.

Another consideration... What level are you playing on?
I've always had the theory(People say I'm wrong), that GM logic works differently on different levels. All-Star, Superstar, HOF etc. Again referring to the importance of Front Office Management in Franchise Mode.
Maybe it's just my imagination, but I've seen it in every game I've ever owned.

[econoodle]

Re: Franchise trading.

i have a test franchise saved with the Cards [september 2013], heres the yankees team at that moment

yankees starters:
-pineda
-tim hudson [trade with atlanta for Betances who struggled in 2012 for the yankees.
-kuroda
-lohse [FA pickup]
-cc [yes hes the 5th starter]

bullpen

garcia, logan, hughes, robertson, wade, feliciano, joba, soriano, still there.
closer is betancourt [FA Pickup]
they also picked up fernando salas via FA

dempster is also in the pen {FA Pickup]
a few other non important names fill out the september call ups it seems.


lineup for the september 6th game:

gardner
ichiro [via trade for Michael Kapler. An A Potential starter 14-7 with 2.68 era in AA for seattle]
cano
grandy
arod
hundley [traded Nova and Russell Martin for him]
tex
damon ! lol {FA Pickup]
jeter


bench
barajas [trade with Pit, tho they must not have who they picked up anymore because no yanks r in the roster foundation for the pirates]
swish
jose costanza
orlando cabrera-ss
andruw jones
nunez
branyan
matt downs
cervelli
alex gonzalez -ss

lot of shortstop age on this team lol

[lumberjake]

Re: Franchise trading.

There's two things I find interesting in this quote, but I'm not sure I'm understanding the context.
1) You say the trades "Make Sense Now but at the time the other trades hadnt happened" . Does that imply that at least some trades are not obvious when they first happen, But become clear later on?
2) That teams that are "Going for it" are trading away their Farm Systems for mediocrity... Is that opinion or fact? In otherwords, a player that we might all believe is mediocre IRL in 2011 might develop into a stud later in the game universe. Is this a possibility?
Not trying to schill for game, but at I want to understand exactly where the problem lies.

I'll answer each of this by their number.

1.) In a way, yes. Chipper was traded away for Trout, but they filled the 3b hole by trading McCann for Zimmerman, but that left the catcher spot unfilled with anyone really to be thrust into the everyday lineup. Most of the trades I'm seeing are just mega stars for mega stars, like Pujols for Howard, which didn't make sense, because Pujols was their highest rated player and when I looked at the roster, Ryan Howard was 13 best. Pujols was later traded away for Fielder. I mean, it make sense, but it doesnt for me because the CPU is just dealing high ratings for high ratings constantly for no reason and it gets annoying.

2.) The CPU values relief pitchers to much, so they throw A and B prospects for a relief pitcher that doesn't even have a better rating than either prospect. Chipper didn't look higher in ratings when the trade went down.Why I say mediocrity is because of age. A 39 year old for a 19 year old doesn't make any sense even for a team "going for it" to get somebody, who didn't even start mind you, for a young guy who they had control over for awhile who was starting. I've seen A potential players develop really great with plus 5's all around that were traded, and the guy they were traded for was -3 for almost everything, so guys can pan out into studs I guess.

[vernond]

Re: Franchise trading.

I decided to give the cpu a dummy profile with everything still set to auto then I can veto any trades that may not be "realistic". You can also keep the cpu/cpu trades turned off till whenever you see fit so teams aren't making deals 40 games into the season. I know people just want the cpu/cpu trades to be "realistic" without them having to be involved but imo that isn't ever going to happen. I think this workaround is pretty effective and doesn't take any time at all.