Franchise trading.

[CKW11]

Re: Franchise trading.

Honestly, you have no idea the scope of this game and how in depth it is. I didn't until I saw first hand, and Knight and I were there "working" 18 hrs a day trying to find and help sort out bugs. This game is huge!!! There is so many layers and features with every mode.

Remember there is also the butterfly affect, a small change in the code somewhere can affect something else in a big way some where else that you are not even looking.

Alot of stuff is subjective as well. Whatever "bugs" there are though, I'm sure will be addressed, has SCEA ever not delivered?

You're right I really don't have much of an idea of what goes into the game. I guess I just feel like the franchise mode is the most played mode, and a problem like someone being traded 6 times within an off season would have been caught. But like I said you're right, a video game has a TON of code. I took a computer science class in college and a single, simple web page had like 7 pages of code to it. So I can't even fathom the amount of code within a video game. I just wish this was caught and fixed in the development process.

And I would like to point out, I'm in no way an SCEA basher. I always tell everyone MLB The Show series is the best sports game you can buy. By no means is this a game killer to me, I'll just turn off CPU trades or 30 team control, but that's not something I feel I should have to do to keep players from being traded a ton of times. But like I said, in no means a game killer, I'll do my best to take it in stride.

[BlingBling19]

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Guess I'll just have to live with seeing Mike Trout getting traded for Chipper Jones and things like that because controlling all 30 seems so ridiculous compared to a simple on/off feature.

This might have been covered but using 30 team control is about as easy as playing with 1 team.

The CPU teams are on auto-pilot and you never have to mess with them and the crazy trades don't happen. People should just use 30 team control because it keeps the line-ups how you set them and there no crazy trades.

Seems like a pretty easy win for everyone.

[go tribe]

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Agree with that.

SCEA will be fully aware of this and id be very surprised if its not one of the things addressed in the patch.

didn't they already say they improved trade logic as a 2012 feature??

it's been a problem for years - i don't see them fixing it in a patch

[Heroesandvillains]

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didn't they already say they improved trade logic as a 2012 feature??

it's been a problem for years - i don't see them fixing it in a patch

Has anyone posted this is the Bugs/Glitches thread?

I'd assume they are aware of it, but just to be safe, someone should post it.

[RookieMiztake]

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Yeah the trade logic is really bad for the CPU. During my simulation franchise with the Red Soxs at the trade deadline I traded and the CPU accepted Nick Punto to the Phillies for Hunter Pence and a C Potential SS. At the trade deadline Nick Punto was hitting .213 with 1 HR and 20 RBI.

Also during the simulation I saw the Yankees trade both A-Rod and Derek Jeter. A-Rod was to the Diamondbacks for Ryan Roberts and two prospects. Derek Jeter was to the Braves for two prospects.

[lumberjake]

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Trade logic is pretty bad in general. In 2015, I became in contention and my overview became "playoff push." The Yankees, also in "playoff push" decided a fair trade offer would be David Robertson, who was past his prime in 2015 at age 30 for THREE of my A prospects who we're all 18 or 19. I kept denying it and they kept offering it.

Teams are giving up all of their prospects to get horrible relief pitchers. I hope it gets fixed because it values relievers like their Pujols in terms of how many great prospects they get back for lower level pitchers. The CPU does it at every deadline too, 2 or 3 A prospects for pitchers over 30.

[maddguuns]

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The issue with a player being traded multiple times in a season, I am sure will be addressed if there is a patch. SCEA fixed it in 10 with a patch and probably with the new logic put it place, removed the logic to not place players traded once before on trading block...Patience people..

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...es-update.html

Was it '10 or last year that SCEA fixed the big FA issue with the patch that allowed teams to renew contracts appropriately and resign their own minor leaguers?

I remember running tons of sims, with all kinds of settings to find what was causing players to be FA's when they were renewable and never getting signed because no team had the budget room.

I've sort of started to track the trades because it seems worse this year than the last couple years. I would theorize the "new" logic weighs the wrong stuff when considering frequency and value of the trade.

tabarnes, you said something in an earlier post about how the CPU seems to make trades for older, not better, players when in a push. I think you are onto something here. In tracking, I find 26-28 year old A-potential players as the most traded type of player. I think that's why Wieters, A. Jones, J. Upton, McCutcheon, Strasburg, and Grienke are included so often.

One thing I think is really impacting what is going on, is how the CPU considers risk. For instance, the Angels and Braves swap Chipper and Trout. If the Angels are a game or two out and the Braves are tanking, this could make sense (based on currently ability, not weighing future ramifications - 1st part of the the risk issue).

Now, after the trade, the Braves are scrambling for a new 3B. Hence, Zimmerman (but they gave up McCann). This is the 2nd part of the risk issue.

Now, one thing I just started looking at is what these teams have in the minors ready to come up. Initially, I am finding a a correlation between a team having talented players ready to be promoted and when that team stops trading. As far as I can tell though, this is not weighed upon the beginning of the trade process (3rd part of risk issue).

So, it seems the new logic makes sense, but the three things not being weighed are:

1. What does this trade do to us next year or 2, 3, 4 years down the road?

2. What deficiencies does this trade leave on our roster right now?

3. If we trade this player for that player, how do we fill the hole?

That's my current assessment. More to come.

[econoodle]

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lumberjack,

you must be having the worst ever luck in ur franchise, because I haven't seen anything as extreme as your seeing.

Not saying they didn't happen, just saying it's crazy.

2014 and I checked the yankees roster, the core is still there, just a few guys added via trade.
Nothing out of control.

Normal FA signings as well.

Also, i never look at the trade block, it just depresses me seeing some of the names that are on there and what the teams are asking for. lol

[lumberjake]

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There is 3 other people who've posted in the thread with the same bad luck haha so it seems like its hit or miss with how it goes. Free agency has been pretty normal though so that's a plus.

[Howie5]

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That's crazy. SO if you're doing a franchise or season mode...and control all 30 teams...you have to do their work in the off season or can you make the CPU handle that? Won't the CPU do crazy trades if you let them do that?

[CKW11]

Re: Franchise trading.

lumberjack,

you must be having the worst ever luck in ur franchise, because I haven't seen anything as extreme as your seeing.

Not saying they didn't happen, just saying it's crazy.

2014 and I checked the yankees roster, the core is still there, just a few guys added via trade.
Nothing out of control.

Normal FA signings as well.

Also, i never look at the trade block, it just depresses me seeing some of the names that are on there and what the teams are asking for. lol

I simmed 2 seasons in two different franchises and I didn't really see anything very extreme either. The worst thing I saw is the D-Backs traded Bauer & Archie Bradley for Dan Haren.

I did see alot of trading an older player of one position for a younger guy of the same position that didn't make a ton of sense, but no one guy being traded 4+ times.

[lumberjake]

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If you do 30 team control, make 2 profiles, 1 for the 29 teams you don't want to use, and 1 for the one you do want to use. Put yours to manual and the other profile to auto and the CPU will do things automatically, but will prompt the trade offers.

[econoodle]

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There is 3 other people who've posted in the thread with the same bad luck haha so it seems like its hit or miss with how it goes. Free agency has been pretty normal though so that's a plus.

your right.
one guy had a guy traded 6 times! lol
so, the problems are out there.
I am not a fan of the trading logic in this game.
I understand all the technical reasons why it happens.
But give us a slider for trade frequency.
I'd rather have only 5 trades happen all year as opposed to 15 or 20 ones with big names being thrown around like a rag doll.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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your right.
one guy had a guy traded 6 times! lol
so, the problems are out there.
I am not a fan of the trading logic in this game.
I understand all the technical reasons why it happens.
But give us a slider for trade frequency.
I'd rather have only 5 trades happen all year as opposed to 15 or 20 ones with big names being thrown around like a rag doll.

In real life there are alot of trades. The Show is actually scaled down...

As far as big names moving I think they should move, they do it real life, its what makes the trade deadline exciting.

I think players being traded multiple times is a bug, as well as RP value, and even some of the logic involved in team strategy. With some small tweaks, if they patch, I think things will be good.

[Howie5]

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If you do 30 team control, make 2 profiles, 1 for the 29 teams you don't want to use, and 1 for the one you do want to use. Put yours to manual and the other profile to auto and the CPU will do things automatically, but will prompt the trade offers.

Great...and then I an OK or decline any trades. I like it to be legit so this is great!