2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

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Smoral maybe

I know you like Smoral but..

Isn't Matt Smoral for Dan Straily straight up a little bit too little to give?

Yes.

Stroman + Pillar? Lugo + Smoral?

[Bluejaysfan65]

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I know you like Smoral but..



Yes.

Stroman + Pillar? Lugo + Smoral?

Lugo and Smoral for Dan Straily seems ok...

[AC]

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Lugo and Smoral for Dan Straily seems ok...

It's on the more conservative side of fairness, but it's not world ending.

[Bluejaysfan65]

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It's on the more conservative side of fairness, but it's not world ending.

Would it be more fair if I added someone like Adam Loewen or Andy LaRoche?

[AC]

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Would it be more fair if I added someone like Adam Loewen or Andy LaRoche?

Before this goes any further, no, these guys have literally no value.

[Totte]

I'm a few days away from the trade deadline in my Yankees franchise and am looking to trade Kevin Youkilis. I don't really have any use for him besides pinch hitting every now and then. I would like to bring in a young relief pitcher or two if possible. Any suggestions on who I should try and get?

To the Pirates for Jeff Locke?

Basically you can send him to any contender in need of a 1B/3B/DH

[TheKT]

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How much would Avery and/or Hoes (both 23 B pot) of Baltimore cost me? I looked on the spreadsheet but couldn't find either of them, guess they're not on the 40 man roster. What is a postition of need for the Orioles?

[LifeOfAHooper27792]

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How much would Avery and/or Hoes (both 23 B pot) of Baltimore cost me? I looked on the spreadsheet but couldn't find either of them, guess they're not on the 40 man roster. What is a postition of need for the Orioles?

Low B, Mid B, or High B? Look at your team's roster and find a player with at least a B in the "value 1" column on the spreadsheet. What team are you?

To your last question, I would say pitching.

The values tell you whether you can get a A, B, C, or D potential prospect.

[TheKT]

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Low B, Mid B, or High B? Look at your team's roster and find a player with at least a B in the "value 1" column on the spreadsheet. What team are you?

To your last question, I would say pitching.

The values tell you whether you can get a A, B, C, or D potential prospect.

I'm the Astros. So I probably won't be able to help them much in the pitching department.

And thanks, that makes too much sense for me to have figured out on my own. Lol

[AC]

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Brad Glenn for Kyle Blanks.

Chad Jankins for Jesus Guzman.

Moises Sierra for Jake Arrieta.

Are these good?

Also, can someone help me decide on a spreadsheet value for Andrew Cashner?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Brad Glenn for Kyle Blanks.

Chad Jankins for Jesus Guzman.

Moises Sierra for Jake Arrieta.

Are these good?

Also, can someone help me decide on a spreadsheet value for Andrew Cashner?

I think the 1st 2 are fine--Blanks and Guzman are slightly above "bag of balls territory." Sierra for Arrieta is an underpay imo, and the spreadsheet says Arrieta is 2 high C's, and Sierra is only 1 low C.

What you don't think Cashner is only 1 high C? I'd love to help with Cashner, him being a former 1st Rd pick of the Cubs. I'd use Rizzo as my base value since they were traded for each other, but obviously due to injuries and whatnot, Cashner has not progressed as much. So, I'd drop the low A, and keep high B + low B + mid C for Cashner.

That would put Cashner in the range of guys like Lance Lynn, Neftali Feliz, Jon Niese, Clay Buchholz, Julio Teheran, Trevor Cahill. I think that's fair.

but behind more established guys like Lincecum, Hellickson, Zimmermann, Garza...also fair.

For a guy who has no hit stuff but will likely never put it all together as a starter for any length of time and probably ends up a top closer, I think this is reasonable. I can actually see a Kerry Wood-like career path for him.

While discussing this, some other starters I saw that need value increases are Brett Anderson, Max Scherzer, and Jeff Samardzija. I'd say Brett Anderson and Samardzija should be worth a low A and then a bit more. Scherzer is probably 2-3 B's and a C.

[AC]

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I think the 1st 2 are fine--Blanks and Guzman are slightly above "bag of balls territory." Sierra for Arrieta is an underpay imo, and the spreadsheet says Arrieta is 2 high C's, and Sierra is only 1 low C.

Sierra is a low B, actually.

What you don't think Cashner is only 1 high C? I'd love to help with Cashner, him being a former 1st Rd pick of the Cubs. I'd use Rizzo as my base value since they were traded for each other, but obviously due to injuries and whatnot, Cashner has not progressed as much. So, I'd drop the low A, and keep high B + low B + mid C for Cashner.

Well, that's what his value WAS, but he's been injury plagued as hell and hasn't pitched 50 innings yet, he's a huge injury risk and he's 27.

That would put Cashner in the range of guys like Lance Lynn, Neftali Feliz, Jon Niese, Clay Buchholz, Julio Teheran, Trevor Cahill. I think that's fair.

He should be near guys like Niese or Buch, yeah, but not TEHERAN. Or Cahill. Not sure on Lynn, but Feliz is a good comp while being a bad comp at the same time.

but behind more established guys like Lincecum, Hellickson, Zimmermann, Garza...also fair.

No duh he's behind th- wait, Lincecum and Hellickson? How the HELL are these guys considered established?

For a guy who has no hit stuff but will likely never put it all together as a starter for any length of time and probably ends up a top closer, I think this is reasonable. I can actually see a Kerry Wood-like career path for him.

That's somewhat fair, but Woods was never AMAZING, he just struck out a lot of guys. Walks ain't good for your FIP.

While discussing this, some other starters I saw that need value increases are Brett Anderson, Max Scherzer, and Jeff Samardzija. I'd say Brett Anderson and Samardzija should be worth a low A and then a bit more. Scherzer is probably 2-3 B's and a C.

I disagree on Anderson and Samardzija. Scherzer has indeed proved he's legit, though, I'm gonna go High B + Low B.

I'll go Mid B + low B on Cashner, fair? Similar-ish value to Niese but with the injuries factored in.

[Jcrome]

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Could i get Olt, Profar, Feliz for Giancarlo Stanton? maybe a B player to?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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@AC

I think mid B + low B is pretty fair for Cashner. I can agree with that. Nothing I have real issues with there. BR says he's 26 though? Turns 27 on 9/11.

I don't see why you like Teheran so much...he's not that good actually. He's the worst of that bunch I listed. Feliz I think is my fave comp for Cashner just based on nastiness of their stuff + velo + injuries + age + ambivalence about roles.

Please tell me you're joking about Lincecum not being established? Back-to-back Cy Youngs and being on the cover of a video game kinda has the affect of establishing a pitcher. Sure, he's fallen some since then..but...

Hellickson isn't quite there, I agree. But he was ROY.

I disagree VEHEMENTLY on K-Wood. He gets that rap from a lot of people who didn't really pay close attention to him (and White Sox fans). Sure I'm biased since he's my favorite pitcher ever. But, take his rookie 1998 (3.9 WAR), and then 2001-2003 (3.3, 4.3, 6.2 WAR) as a starter and he did a John Smoltz and reinvented himself as an ace closer (2008) I'd take that. Sure, the longevity isn't there because he lost lots of time to injury, but he had some incredible high points (it wasn't just 1 20 K game and a bunch of crap). Some of his H/9 and K/9 numbers were sick. And a career 3.67 ERA and 1.27 WHIP despite his command during the height of the 'roids era is impressive. Wood is not a HoFer, but he was amazing to watch (his stats don't even do it justice...his pitches were absolutely filthy), albeit frustrating too when he had his bad command. He came closer after 1945 than anyone not named Rick Sutcliffe at pitching the Cubs into the World Series, and that's a tall task.

EDIT: Compare Wood's BAA and Swinging Strike % to guys like Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez. You may find it enlightening. As far as pure stuff few, if any, have matched Wood in this era.

Yeah, Samardzija and Anderson are both more valuable than what it says on the sheet, but as I don't plan on trading for them it doesn't affect me at all. Just know it's gonna take more than high B to get Anderson or high B + mid B to get Samardzija...much more. Nothing below a low-mid A would nab Samardzija realistically.

[G3no_11]

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Mid B + Low B is pretty fair in my opinion. He just hasn't stayed healthy long enough to ask for more. His stuff is nasty from what I've seen from him (being a Rockies fan), but injury problems hurt his value a lot... more than they would a position player.

Sierra for Arrieta is a little bit of an under pay in my opinion. I would throw in a mid-lowish C.