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Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread
I personally don't care about what people do in their 'chises, it's for fun (or SHOULD be), BUT if someone comes here bent on needing to do something 100% realistic for their enjoyment, I'm going to be hard on them and scrutinize it. I figure I owe it that much. That's a given.
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If someone just wants fair, that's fine too. We help people ALL THE TIME in here, with all levels of needs for absolutely nothing other than the satisfaction of helping out. Totte, nowitsourtime, ACMilan99, G3no (mainly with Rockies, lol), CameRoN0407, and a few others I'm forgetting have answered tens of inquiries and sometimes it's hyper-realistic, sometimes it's borderline cheeser trades. It really depends on what they ask for, ACMilan99 asked for pure realism, which is what he's getting...I hope. Sometimes we disagree, I know. Just search about Mike Olt, CarGo, or Tyler Colvin...
I was probably one of the most active in here last year. I dropped out of it because people started wanting or giving rubber stamps and a big part of this thread was to ask about realism with the other being not ripping off the CPU.
What I don't like is when someone tries to sneak an unrealistic trade in under the guise of realism. And, even worse, when others seem to rubber stamp it!! I have made a whole range of deals with varying levels of realism, but I want to call a spade a spade is all.
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No one WANTS to be wrong. But I am known to be from time to time. It's just I haven't been PROVEN wrong or really seen anything that would sway my initial opinion in this JPA/Brantly thing (which is pretty minor anyway...if ACMilan99 does it, it's not gonna bust his 'chise one way or another). In a debate, though, I just don't abandon my positions because SOMEONE ELSE thinks it makes sense. I have recently changed my tune on Lucroy though so it could happen and has happened. But I have to be genuinely convinced.
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The whole argument about JPA being a "fan fave" is laughable though. They had a new stadium and what $100M worth of players last year(?), but South Floridians DON'T CARE ABOUT BASEBALL. At least not in the numbers the Marlins would need. Don't kid yourself, rjackson, getting Arencibia will not increase the attendance by 10 fans per game or revenue much at all. It just won't. They hate the ownership, and until that changes, or until they catch lightning in a bottle with the next Trout, the Marlins will continue to execute Loria's strategy you outlined so well. Acquire cheap, dump expensive. The Miami Heat are taking ALL of the revenue down there.
Few can afford to go to Heat games. I meant that they try to get talent there in waves, develop a good sized young core, plug in FA vets. They had attendance last year until dismantling the team. Don't believe the hype that it was not enough until you see a statement of income, though. Plus, with talent getting locked up early now ie Rizzo, their model is not going to be effective anymore. Their only chances are for Loria to sell or to get an all Cuban team. While JPA himself might not be a big draw, the big fly is so people will say Stanton is the only thing to see there but JPA hits dingers as well. He will get cheered. It is an influence to having a good time. And that means more coming back and forgetting about bastard owners for awhile. They'd still need Alexei and Viciedo and Puig and ...
Well, that's what we're after, now isn't it? lolComment
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Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread
Let me apologize in advance, this will be a little lengthy. I'm doing a two team franchise with the Astros and Cubs and I'm getting close to July. I'm going to do the Cubs trades first, as it's a bit longer. We're a little under .500 and the plan from the beginning was to blow up the team and rebuild. Here's all the stats for relevant players as of June 16th.
Stats
Cubs
Matt Garza - 3-6, 4.11 ERA, 65 IP, 64 H, 50 K, 23 BB (started quite bad, over last 5 starts - 34 IP, 21 H, 6 ER, 25 K, 11 BB)
Edwin Jackson - 5-6, 3.74 ERA, 89 IP, 70 H, 68 K, 24 BB
Scott Baker - 4-2, 1.94 ERA, 83 IP, 77 H, 63 K, 24 BB
Darwin Barney - .236/.260/.318
Alfonso Soriano - .296/.371/.609, 20 HR
David DeJesus - .266/.324/.419, 18 BB, 22 K
Scott Hairston - .254/.308/.519, 13 HR
Chris Rusin (B Pot, AAA) - 7-1, 2.44 ERA, 77 IP, 77 H, 47 K, 23 BB
Carlos Villanueva (B Pot, AAA) - 4-2, 3.63 ERA, 62 IP, 64 H, 61 K, 17 BB
Josh Vitters (A Pot, AAA) - .289/.331/.418, 7 HR
Rockies
Will Swanner (AA) - .400/.449/.652 in 135 AB's
Tyler Matzek (AA) - 3-5, 4.39 ERA, 80 IP, 104 H, 93 K, 31 BB
Diamondacks
David Holmberg (AAA) - 6-2, 3.14 ERA, 80 IP, 78 H, 67 K, 21 BB
Michael Perez (AAA) - .265/.357/.429 in 49 AB's
Adam Eaton - .308/.385/.497 in 143 AB's, out another month with broken shin
Rangers
Martin Perez (AAA) - 7-5, 2.75 ERA, 91 IP, 79 H, 77 K, 28 BB
Cody Buckel (AA) - 3-4, 3.84 ERA, 75 IP, 87 H, 61 K, 26 BB
Trade Scenarios
The Diamondbacks are out of it, so I'll probably wait until the off-season or next July to try a trade. I don't know if I'll have the pieces for Eaton, but I'm hoping to at least get Holmberg and Perez. The Rockies and Rangers are both in the mix, so I'm thinking of trades along the lines of the following:
Garza/Jackson + Baker/Villanueva + Soriano to Rangers for Perez + Buckel + ??
Garza/Jackson + Baker/Villanueva + Hairston + ?? to Rockies for Swanner and Matzek
I know I'm buying high on Swanner, so I expect I'll have to pay a premium. Both teams could use at least one more starter to improve their rotation. Soriano would probably DH most of the time in Texas, both Moreland and Berkman are performing quite poorly.
I'm looking more at fairness than realism, if anyone has any thoughts I'd love to hear them. Thank you very much for your help.Last edited by sink4ever; 06-24-2013, 02:32 PM.Comment
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Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread
I was tinkering on my Mets chise and the Mariners agreed to trade me Zunino, Walker and Capps for Matt Den Decker. Of course I didnt do it for realism sake but far and away the worst trade I have ever been able to cobble together.Comment
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Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread
Let me apologize in advance, this will be a little lengthy. I'm doing a two team franchise with the Astros and Cubs and I'm getting close to July. I'm going to do the Cubs trades first, as it's a bit longer. We're a little under .500 and the plan from the beginning was to blow up the team and rebuild. Here's all the stats for relevant players as of June 16th.
Stats
Cubs
Matt Garza - 3-6, 4.11 ERA, 65 IP, 64 H, 50 K, 23 BB (started quite bad, over last 5 starts - 34 IP, 21 H, 6 ER, 25 K, 11 BB)
Edwin Jackson - 5-6, 3.74 ERA, 89 IP, 70 H, 68 K, 24 BB
Scott Baker - 4-2, 1.94 ERA, 83 IP, 77 H, 63 K, 24 BB
Darwin Barney - .236/.260/.318
Alfonso Soriano - .296/.371/.609, 20 HR
David DeJesus - .266/.324/.419, 18 BB, 22 K
Scott Hairston - .254/.308/.519, 13 HR
Chris Rusin (B Pot, AAA) - 7-1, 2.44 ERA, 77 IP, 77 H, 47 K, 23 BB
Carlos Villanueva (B Pot, AAA) - 4-2, 3.63 ERA, 62 IP, 64 H, 61 K, 17 BB
Josh Vitters (A Pot, AAA) - .289/.331/.418, 7 HR
Rockies
Will Swanner (AA) - .400/.449/.652 in 135 AB's
Tyler Matzek (AA) - 3-5, 4.39 ERA, 80 IP, 104 H, 93 K, 31 BB
Diamondacks
David Holmberg - 6-2, 3.14 ERA, 80 IP, 78 H, 67 K, 21 BB
Michael Perez (AAA) - .265/.357/.429 in 49 AB's
Adam Eaton - .308/.385/.497 in 143 AB's, out another month with broken shin
Rangers
Martin Perez (AAA) - 7-5, 2.75 ERA, 91 IP, 79 H, 77 K, 28 BB
Cody Buckel (AA) - 3-4, 3.84 ERA, 75 IP, 87 H, 61 K, 26 BB
Trade Scenarios
The Diamondbacks are out of it, so I'll probably wait until the off-season or next July to try a trade. I don't know if I'll have the pieces for Eaton, but I'm hoping to at least get Holmberg and Perez. The Rockies and Rangers are both in the mix, so I'm thinking of trades along the lines of the following:
Garza/Jackson + Baker/Villanueva + Soriano to Rangers for Perez + Buckel + ??
Garza/Jackson + Baker/Villanueva + Hairston + ?? to Rockies for Swanner and Matzek
I know I'm buying high on Swanner, so I expect I'll have to pay a premium. Both teams could use at least one more starter to improve their rotation. Soriano would probably DH most of the time in Texas, both Moreland and Berkman are performing quite poorly.
I'm looking more at fairness than realism, if anyone has any thoughts I'd love to hear them. Thank you very much for your help.
Garza for Perez + Buckel would work according to the spreadsheet.
You can have your pick at any two of Perez, Buckel, Gallo or Grimm from Texas. Since you listed Perez + Buckel, I went with that. Personally, I'd look at switching one of those guys for Joey Gallo. The Cubs have a big hole at 3B, assuming you're not using a post-draft roster set.
I have no idea what the standings look like in your franchise, but Baker could go to pretty much any team with a need of SP with those stats. Spreadsheet value says low B, but I'm thinking with those stats, you could pull a mid to low B depending on where he lands. Here's just a few options off the top of my head:
Baker to LAA for Garrett Richards
Baker to CLE for Dillon Howard
Baker to BOS for Henry Owens
Baker to PHI for Tyler Cloyd
(I'm pretty sure those guys are all mid to low B's)
If you're dead set on getting Matzek + Swanner, you'll probably have to give up Garza + something small to get them. I'm thinking something along the lines of:
Garza + Rusin/Matt Szczur for Matzek + Swanner
If you're looking for realism, Edwin Jackson will not get moved. Soriano has a NTC, but he'll waive it for a contender. Best bet is shipping him to a contender in need of a DH for a Low B + High C. Villanueva will also go for a Low B + High C
Those are just a few of my thoughts. I'm nowhere near as good with trades as some of the guys in here, so I'd get their opinions before making a deal. Hopefully this helps a little.Comment
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Would like some feedback plz. Hypothetical situation. Say I am the Marlins and I somehow am in possession of Hiram Burgos and Chris Capuano. If I decide to deal them both for Matt Harvey, any chance of that being fair?Chicago Cubs | Chicago Bulls | Green Bay Packers | Michigan WolverinesComment
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Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread
Unless Texas has a couple of SP on the DL, I don't see them wanting two from the Cubs. However, they would be interested in Garza. Unfortunately for you, he had the rough start, hurting his value. It may be a slight drop, depending on how bad they need SP.
Garza for Perez + Buckel would work according to the spreadsheet.
You can have your pick at any two of Perez, Buckel, Gallo or Grimm from Texas. Since you listed Perez + Buckel, I went with that. Personally, I'd look at switching one of those guys for Joey Gallo. The Cubs have a big hole at 3B, assuming you're not using a post-draft roster set.
I have no idea what the standings look like in your franchise, but Baker could go to pretty much any team with a need of SP with those stats. Spreadsheet value says low B, but I'm thinking with those stats, you could pull a mid to low B depending on where he lands. Here's just a few options off the top of my head:
Baker to LAA for Garrett Richards
Baker to CLE for Dillon Howard
Baker to BOS for Henry Owens
Baker to PHI for Tyler Cloyd
(I'm pretty sure those guys are all mid to low B's)
If you're dead set on getting Matzek + Swanner, you'll probably have to give up Garza + something small to get them. I'm thinking something along the lines of:
Garza + Rusin/Matt Szczur for Matzek + Swanner
If you're looking for realism, Edwin Jackson will not get moved. Soriano has a NTC, but he'll waive it for a contender. Best bet is shipping him to a contender in need of a DH for a Low B + High C. Villanueva will also go for a Low B + High C
Those are just a few of my thoughts. I'm nowhere near as good with trades as some of the guys in here, so I'd get their opinions before making a deal. Hopefully this helps a little.Comment
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Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread
Let me apologize in advance, this will be a little lengthy. I'm doing a two team franchise with the Astros and Cubs and I'm getting close to July. I'm going to do the Cubs trades first, as it's a bit longer. We're a little under .500 and the plan from the beginning was to blow up the team and rebuild. Here's all the stats for relevant players as of June 16th.
Stats
Cubs
Matt Garza - 3-6, 4.11 ERA, 65 IP, 64 H, 50 K, 23 BB (started quite bad, over last 5 starts - 34 IP, 21 H, 6 ER, 25 K, 11 BB)
Edwin Jackson - 5-6, 3.74 ERA, 89 IP, 70 H, 68 K, 24 BB
Scott Baker - 4-2, 1.94 ERA, 83 IP, 77 H, 63 K, 24 BB
Darwin Barney - .236/.260/.318
Alfonso Soriano - .296/.371/.609, 20 HR
David DeJesus - .266/.324/.419, 18 BB, 22 K
Scott Hairston - .254/.308/.519, 13 HR
Chris Rusin (B Pot, AAA) - 7-1, 2.44 ERA, 77 IP, 77 H, 47 K, 23 BB
Carlos Villanueva (B Pot, AAA) - 4-2, 3.63 ERA, 62 IP, 64 H, 61 K, 17 BB
Josh Vitters (A Pot, AAA) - .289/.331/.418, 7 HR
Rockies
Will Swanner (AA) - .400/.449/.652 in 135 AB's
Tyler Matzek (AA) - 3-5, 4.39 ERA, 80 IP, 104 H, 93 K, 31 BB
Diamondacks
David Holmberg - 6-2, 3.14 ERA, 80 IP, 78 H, 67 K, 21 BB
Michael Perez (AAA) - .265/.357/.429 in 49 AB's
Adam Eaton - .308/.385/.497 in 143 AB's, out another month with broken shin
Rangers
Martin Perez (AAA) - 7-5, 2.75 ERA, 91 IP, 79 H, 77 K, 28 BB
Cody Buckel (AA) - 3-4, 3.84 ERA, 75 IP, 87 H, 61 K, 26 BB
Trade Scenarios
The Diamondbacks are out of it, so I'll probably wait until the off-season or next July to try a trade. I don't know if I'll have the pieces for Eaton, but I'm hoping to at least get Holmberg and Perez. The Rockies and Rangers are both in the mix, so I'm thinking of trades along the lines of the following:
Garza/Jackson + Baker/Villanueva + Soriano to Rangers for Perez + Buckel + ??
Garza/Jackson + Baker/Villanueva + Hairston + ?? to Rockies for Swanner and Matzek
I know I'm buying high on Swanner, so I expect I'll have to pay a premium. Both teams could use at least one more starter to improve their rotation. Soriano would probably DH most of the time in Texas, both Moreland and Berkman are performing quite poorly.
I'm looking more at fairness than realism, if anyone has any thoughts I'd love to hear them. Thank you very much for your help.Chicago Cubs | Chicago Bulls | Green Bay Packers | Michigan WolverinesComment
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Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread
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Thanks, appreciate it. I had been leaning toward Garza going to Texas, but maybe I'll send him to the Rockies instead. If Garza was going to Colorado, would I have the pieces to get at least Perez from Texas still? In the spreadsheet he's a Mid B + Low B, but he's having a good year.Comment
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Okay, I just finished the 2013 season with the Chicago Cubs. I ended up in a three-way tie for the last place in MLB with the Astros and Marlins with a record of 57-105. Not sure what number pick I'd get for next season, but probably no. 2.
Anyway, I'm looking to unload some of my top prospects for a "top" pitcher or something like that. Could trade Baez or Almora because I have enough depth in the minors. Not trading Soler though. Would like to get rid of Vogelbach (because I have another 1B prospect that I'm more interested in). Vizcanio too because I have enough young pitching too, and he's near-MLB ready. And there could be one or two other prospects that I'd like to throw in as well.
The reason why I'm looking to unload some of the prospects because I already have some great, GREAT younger prospects in the lower levels, plus a "few" friends of mine that I created as a prospect (in which I'll develop them realistically) and also there's Kris Bryant as well.
Just for reference: I've already gotten rid of Marmol, Soriano and Schierholtz.
I've thought about possibly David Price, but that might be too much, maybe?
I'm probably looking for a pitcher or possibly an outfielder. Brett Jackson isn't just cutting it for me anymore (he could be tradeable as well).
So, any suggestions/ideas at all? Obviously it'll be some sort of a blockbuster trade, but I'd like to have some at least logical behind it.
Thanks!!Comment
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Thanks bro. I know, but I was debating someone in the 2K13 franchise progress forum about it. He said he won't make any lopsided deals that exploit trade AI. But he actually did that deal (sorry to make you cringe wih this one). I wanted to run it through here though, lolChicago Cubs | Chicago Bulls | Green Bay Packers | Michigan WolverinesComment
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Thanks, appreciate it. I had been leaning toward Garza going to Texas, but maybe I'll send him to the Rockies instead. If Garza was going to Colorado, would I have the pieces to get at least Perez from Texas still? In the spreadsheet he's a Mid B + Low B, but he's having a good year.Chicago Cubs | Chicago Bulls | Green Bay Packers | Michigan WolverinesComment
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Thanks bro. I know, but I was debating someone in the 2K13 franchise progress forum about it. He said he won't make any lopsided deals that exploit trade AI. But he actually did that deal (sorry to make you cringe wih this one). I wanted to run it through here though, lol
The Mets would have to be blown away to trade Harvey. Not to mention it's in the same division, so it would put the price even higher. I don't see anybody trading their ace to a division foe. IMO, the Mets wouldn't even listen to a deal that didn't include Giancarlo Stanton.Comment
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