2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[nowitsourtime]

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In my 30 team franchise, the Twins were offered Richie Shaffer (A Potential) 3rd basemen from the Rays for Josh Willingham, who is batting .271 with 25 homers and 71 rbi's. What do you think of this trade?

Even though his numbers are good, Willingham is not worth an A. Go for someone like Alex Colome.

In my Twins 'Chise through the first 2 months of the season I'm tied for first place with the Royals and Tigers. I've literally had 0 production from my middle infield positions. (Swung deals for Dee Gordon and Lombarozi earlier in the season, neither have worked out) The Yankees are already 10 GB of the Wild card and are awful this season. They've put all their older vets on the trading block.

I was interested in seeing how much Robinson Cano would cost me. Hes having a pretty bad year so far (.252 7 HRs 23 RBIs) so I think the Yankees would be willing to listen to some offers. My Minor league system has been amazing leading to many potential upgrades to an already good system.

Heres my tradeable assets

Oswaldo Arcia OF 22 years old: Highest B hot streak all season, crushing AAA .302 13 HRs 32 RBIs

Travis Harrison 3B 20 years old: Low A, hot streak all season in AAA, .354 9 hrs 24 RBIs

Byron Buxton OF 19 years old: Highest A, hot streak all season in AA, .405 8 HRs 29 RBIs

Miguel Sano 3B 20 years old: Mid A, hot streak in AA, .278, 13 HRs, 31 RBIs

Chris Parmelee OF 25 years old: Low-Mid B potential 25 years old, .250 3 hr 14 RBIs in the MLB. Starter most the season, just benched him recently.

Max Kepler OF 20 years old: Highest B, hot streak all year in AA called him up straight to MLB to start over Parmelee and over the last week has hit .333 with 2 hrs and 6 RBIs.

Alex Meyer SP 23 years old: Mid B, started on cold streak now on hot streak in AA. 4.30 ERA 2nd in AA in strikeouts.

Trevor May SP 23 years old: Low B, Hot streak all year in AA, 2.20 ERA leads AA in strikeouts.

Dan Rohlfing C 24 years old: Low B, batting .265 7 hrs and 19 RBIs in AA.

Eddie Rosario 2B 21 years old: Mid B in single A

Levi Michael 2B 22 years old: Low B, hot streak in AA, .270 2 HRs 15 RBIs.

Kyle Gibson SP 25 years old: Mid-High B, 4.50 ERA in MLB. About a strikeout an inning.

Alex Wimmers SP 24 years old: Low B, 3.80 ERA in AAA. Almost a strikeout per inning.

Jose Berrios SP 19 years old: Mid B, 3.20 ERA in AA. 10.9 K/9

Hudson Boyd SP 20 years old: Low B, 4.10 ERA in AA. 6 K/9

Adam Brett Walker 21 years old: Highest C, hot streak in AA. .310 6 HRs 23 RBIs.

Kennys Vargas 1B 22 years old: low B potential .260 5 hr 19 RBI in AA

Sorry for the long post, just wondering what combination of prospects would be fair to give the Yankees since Cano is on the last year of his deal. I'd prefer to keep Buxton and Sano but understand that one would probably have to be dealt.

Please don't trade Buxton or Sano

But if you want Cano, I'd say Harrison and May would be a fair deal for a Cano rental

[Totte]

In my 30 team franchise, the Twins were offered Richie Shaffer (A Potential) 3rd basemen from the Rays for Josh Willingham, who is batting .271 with 25 homers and 71 rbi's. What do you think of this trade?

I'd go Archer or Odorizzi instead as the Twins really need SP depth

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I know the O's just signed Hardy to an extension but if they are out of it would it be completely unrealistic to trade him to the Cardinals at the ASB/Trade deadline?

Like I said the O's are out of it, 10 games under .500 last in the east. The Cards are desperate for a SS. Furcal is of course out for the season, Kozma is out for 1-2 months so they're running out Descalso/Ryan Jackson at SS. They are 5 GB the wild card.

It depends. The extension would seem to make it less realistic. But, in my chise (in 2014) the O's had fallen on hard times, so I shipped Hardy to the Giants. If you can give the O's a nice return, it's not out of the question.

In my Twins 'Chise through the first 2 months of the season I'm tied for first place with the Royals and Tigers. I've literally had 0 production from my middle infield positions. (Swung deals for Dee Gordon and Lombarozi earlier in the season, neither have worked out) The Yankees are already 10 GB of the Wild card and are awful this season. They've put all their older vets on the trading block.

I was interested in seeing how much Robinson Cano would cost me. Hes having a pretty bad year so far (.252 7 HRs 23 RBIs) so I think the Yankees would be willing to listen to some offers. My Minor league system has been amazing leading to many potential upgrades to an already good system.

Heres my tradeable assets

Oswaldo Arcia OF 22 years old: Highest B hot streak all season, crushing AAA .302 13 HRs 32 RBIs

Travis Harrison 3B 20 years old: Low A, hot streak all season in AAA, .354 9 hrs 24 RBIs

Byron Buxton OF 19 years old: Highest A, hot streak all season in AA, .405 8 HRs 29 RBIs

Miguel Sano 3B 20 years old: Mid A, hot streak in AA, .278, 13 HRs, 31 RBIs

Chris Parmelee OF 25 years old: Low-Mid B potential 25 years old, .250 3 hr 14 RBIs in the MLB. Starter most the season, just benched him recently.

Max Kepler OF 20 years old: Highest B, hot streak all year in AA called him up straight to MLB to start over Parmelee and over the last week has hit .333 with 2 hrs and 6 RBIs.

Alex Meyer SP 23 years old: Mid B, started on cold streak now on hot streak in AA. 4.30 ERA 2nd in AA in strikeouts.

Trevor May SP 23 years old: Low B, Hot streak all year in AA, 2.20 ERA leads AA in strikeouts.

Dan Rohlfing C 24 years old: Low B, batting .265 7 hrs and 19 RBIs in AA.

Eddie Rosario 2B 21 years old: Mid B in single A

Levi Michael 2B 22 years old: Low B, hot streak in AA, .270 2 HRs 15 RBIs.

Kyle Gibson SP 25 years old: Mid-High B, 4.50 ERA in MLB. About a strikeout an inning.

Alex Wimmers SP 24 years old: Low B, 3.80 ERA in AAA. Almost a strikeout per inning.

Jose Berrios SP 19 years old: Mid B, 3.20 ERA in AA. 10.9 K/9

Hudson Boyd SP 20 years old: Low B, 4.10 ERA in AA. 6 K/9

Adam Brett Walker 21 years old: Highest C, hot streak in AA. .310 6 HRs 23 RBIs.

Kennys Vargas 1B 22 years old: low B potential .260 5 hr 19 RBI in AA

Sorry for the long post, just wondering what combination of prospects would be fair to give the Yankees since Cano is on the last year of his deal. I'd prefer to keep Buxton and Sano but understand that one would probably have to be dealt.

nowitsourtime probably knows the Twins farm system better than me, but I would think a Kepler/Arcia + May/Gibson + Rosario would be plenty for Cano. You could keep Buxton and Sano for sure.

Also, I bolded the Dee Gordon part, just curious, has anyone had ANY success with Dee Gordon in game? It seems like he washes out in everyone's chise, lol.

In my 30 team franchise, the Twins were offered Richie Shaffer (A Potential) 3rd basemen from the Rays for Josh Willingham, who is batting .271 with 25 homers and 71 rbi's. What do you think of this trade?

First thought is Shaffer shouldn't be an A. But, second thought is it's probably a move the Rays don't make. But all the standard questions apply... are the Rays in the hunt? The Twins? How is the Rays OF doing? Could they use a DH? How's Shaffer performing?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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but if this trade actually occurred (we know it won't), there would be a lot we could deduce from it.

Our GM is endlessly stupid. Hopeless stupid. Comically stupid. Laughably stupid. But not even he's stupid enough to trade away Brett Lawrie, he of .330 wOBA for his career AT AGE 23, he of the ~top 4 3B defense IN THE LEAGUE, for two rentals. Ruiz is still useful and Utley is still criminally underrated, but they're fugging rentals.

Yea, I've highlighted the part of rjackson's latest post that I found useful. I think the issue is people are mixing up the fact the Jays "have interest" in Utley, and that Lawrie is a "pain." So, that was probably the basis for the original rumor.

Amphetamine = PED. Period.

Also, the saving face part is so pot calling the kettle black, lol.

[MattGarza13]

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Yeah I'm a die hard Twins fan too and I love Buxton and Sano but since I've been playing on '06 I've only made the playoffs with my Twins twice and I've played multiple seasons on some of the shows. Good to see I can get him without giving up my future all stars!

As for Gordon, I traded for him in last years game and my first season with him batted .278 and played pretty good D with something like 40 SBs. Then the next season he batted .289 with a gold glove and 50 SBs. So I thought if I could get a season like that out of him on this game I'd be happy... Nope he bats .238... Hits the ball so softly and strikes out a good amount. I play every game so I guess its my fault oo.

[AC]

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I think the issue is people are mixing up the fact the Jays "have interest" in Utley, and that Lawrie is a "pain." So, that was probably the basis for the original rumor.

But Lawrie isn't a pain, and there was no rumor. Both are falsehoods perpetuated by a broadcaster and some fans that know little to nothing about anything.

It's hilarious, really. When Lawrie's hitting, he "brings energy to the clubhouse." When he's off, he's "a total douchebag and a detriment to the clubhouse."

[nowitsourtime]

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I'd go Archer or Odorizzi instead as the Twins really need SP depth

Too much for Willingham IMO

[WaitTilNextYear]

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But Lawrie isn't a pain, and there was no rumor. Both are falsehoods perpetuated by a broadcaster and some fans that know little to nothing about anything.

It's hilarious, really. When Lawrie's hitting, he "brings energy to the clubhouse." When he's off, he's "a total douchebag and a detriment to the clubhouse."

I wasn't the one who said it. But it has been said, check out the minor media feud between Lawrie and the Brewers even. Doug Melvin is quoted saying he couldn't get through to Lawrie to wait his turn, and so he shipped him off. Melvin also implies that Lawrie is no superstar like Braun who's a beast. Then Lawrie is quoted saying the Brewers tried to "change" him. If you look for Brett Lawrie on MLBTR and scroll back a bit, you'll see it.

And of course, the unpretty throwing of the helmet last year will stick with people too.

Personally, if I were a Jays fan, I'd be more concerned about him and injuries or his performance over the past 1.5 years.

[AC]

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Personally, if I were a Jays fan, I'd be more concerned about him and injuries or his performance over the past 1.5 years.

Lol if there's anything to be concerned about with him, it certainly isn't his performance. 158 wRC+ at age 21. 100 wRC+ at age 22. And then the club rushes him back for 35 games that are pretty meaningless, he never had the chance to get his timing because - shocker - Anthopoulos is an idiot.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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At the risk of upsetting the thread police, Brett Lawrie's 2011....

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His performance would absolutely concern me. If the dropoff were 100% fueled by injury, I'd be a bit less worried. We have 3 samples to choose from, either he's a stud (2011), and solid regular (2012), or a scrub (2013). Given the largest sample in his brief career is 2012, I'd tend to go with that. His MiLB stats are more in line with 2012 too. But, if the PAs from this season keep growing and his stats don't improve, well, I guess we'll see.

[Bard]

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It depends. The extension would seem to make it less realistic. But, in my chise (in 2014) the O's had fallen on hard times, so I shipped Hardy to the Giants. If you can give the O's a nice return, it's not out of the question.



nowitsourtime probably knows the Twins farm system better than me, but I would think a Kepler/Arcia + May/Gibson + Rosario would be plenty for Cano. You could keep Buxton and Sano for sure.

Also, I bolded the Dee Gordon part, just curious, has anyone had ANY success with Dee Gordon in game? It seems like he washes out in everyone's chise, lol.



First thought is Shaffer shouldn't be an A. But, second thought is it's probably a move the Rays don't make. But all the standard questions apply... are the Rays in the hunt? The Twins? How is the Rays OF doing? Could they use a DH? How's Shaffer performing?

I actually hit really well with him haha, like .280's AVG and gets a ton of SB.

[AC]

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At the risk of upsetting the thread police, Brett Lawrie's 2011....

His performance would absolutely concern me. If the dropoff were 100% fueled by injury, I'd be a bit less worried. We have 3 samples to choose from, either he's a stud (2011), and solid regular (2012), or a scrub (2013). Given the largest sample in his brief career is 2012, I'd tend to go with that. His MiLB stats are more in line with 2012 too. But, if the PAs from this season keep growing and his stats don't improve, well, I guess we'll see.

I'm not sure what the relevance of this discussion is, isn't it something about his trade value? No clue anymore

His 2013 should be thrown out. Absolutely. A small sample coming off a pretty bad injury. He shouldn't have played for the first month. It's injury-fueled for sure. But take a look at his 2011 numbers. There really aren't any of the standard eye-bulging numbers that you'd normally see from SSS. He seemed pretty legit.

EDIT: Let's keep in mind that he played through an injury in 2012 as well, his numbers took a big nose dive after that. Lawrie was hitting .291 in the first half with a 108 wRC+ and a .332 wOBA and he just fell off a bit after he played through some injuries, which contributed to his injury this year (I *believe*).

I think he's somewhere inbetween 2012 and 2011. ~.360 wOBA. ~.200 ISO. ~.280 average. ~20ish dingers. And obviously elite fielding.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I actually hit really well with him haha, like .280's AVG and gets a ton of SB.

Nice! Apparently it only seemed like no one has any luck with him.

[rjackson]

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I think what annoys me most is WTNY is a smart guy, probably the smartest living in Illinois, but he is unable to think for himself and out of the box.

Anyways, the Beckett idea seems more than fair but I am not sue about realism?

The Pirates aren't enough of a challenge. I am thinking of going Cubs now.

[AC]

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I think what annoys me most is WTNY is a smart guy, probably the smartest living in Illinois, but he is unable to think for himself and out of the box.

Anyways, the Beckett idea seems more than fair but I am not sue about realism?

Not that that's saying much ( ), but I strongly disagree with the rest of that statement. Go look at his franchise. The guy hasn't had a single "in the box" thought in ever haha.

Dunno why it'd be unrealistic. Checked the stats earlier, ~3.30 ERA but he tore his groin (OW) and he's out for a long while, plus his contract will be up after next year and he's expensive, so I figure the Dodgers would move him, especially since they'll probably be players in FA.