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  • WaitTilNextYear
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    • Mar 2013
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    #4741
    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

    Do you guys seriously want me to make a list of the RULE which is great players starting their careers 19-22 years of age? I mean I see some are trying to find EXCEPTIONS. But there are far more great players that debuted younger. That's a fact.
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    • AC
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      #4742
      Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
      Who're you referring to pal? I've forgotten more baseball....well...let's not go there.
      A.) You're saying it by not saying it.

      B.) You don't know that.

      C.) I've posted plenty of arguments that you've ignored. Are we done here? 'cause I can go all night.
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      • AC
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        #4743
        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
        Do you guys seriously want me to make a list of the RULE which is great players starting their careers 19-22 years of age? I mean I see some are trying to find EXCEPTIONS. But there are far more great players that debuted younger. That's a fact.
        Holy crap, no one's saying he's great, he's just more valuable than Papelbon, stop putting words in my/our mouths.
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        • WaitTilNextYear
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          #4744
          Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by HozAndMoose
          Then why waste your time?
          That is a good question. Some of the debates here I actually do find useful though. Probably this one has spilled over into being a street fight of baseball knowledge already, and I should probably get back on topic though.
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          • CameRoN0407
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            • Oct 2012
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            #4745
            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
            Do you guys seriously want me to make a list of the RULE which is great players starting their careers 19-22 years of age? I mean I see some are trying to find EXCEPTIONS. But there are far more great players that debuted younger. That's a fact.
            Knock yourself out! Not everyone is a Strasburg, Heyward, J-Up.
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            • AC
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              #4746
              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
              That is a good question. Some of the debates here I actually do find useful though. Probably this one has spilled over into being a street fight of baseball knowledge already, and I should probably get back on topic though.
              How is this even a little off topic?
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              • WaitTilNextYear
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                #4747
                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by ACMilan99
                A.) You're saying it by not saying it.

                B.) You don't know that.

                C.) I've posted plenty of arguments that you've ignored. Are we done here? 'cause I can go all night.
                I know . That's kinda that point with mods around, being able to say something without saying it. Plus, I try not to be a giant **** most of the time. Maybe this time excluded.

                I wouldn't mind debating all night, but I'd actually rather get a couple of games in . Also both sides seem fairly entrenched right now, and it's more just starting to descend into insults...probably good to turn back from that course.

                Originally posted by ACMilan99
                Holy crap, no one's saying he's great, he's just more valuable than Papelbon, stop putting words in my/our mouths.
                OK, no more putting anything in anyone's mouths! That goes for everyone! That rule might actually be useful in the OP.
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                • CameRoN0407
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                  • Oct 2012
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                  #4748
                  Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by ACMilan99
                  How is this even a little off topic?
                  I don't see an issue here. We are discussing value of a player who is involved in a proposed trade. We can go on all night and day if you want. But our statement still run true. Same with some of yours.
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                  • WaitTilNextYear
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                    #4749
                    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by ACMilan99
                    How is this even a little off topic?
                    Well the original question was do you like Papelbon for Olt? And the poster's already withdrawn that, so this whole debate, while still enlightening, is at least irrelevant if not off topic.
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                    • WaitTilNextYear
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                      #4750
                      Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by CameRoN0407
                      I don't see an issue here. We are discussing value of a player who is involved in a proposed trade. We can go on all night and day if you want.
                      Well I already posted stats for Olt, which was dismissed as an eye problem and SSS. I have not seen anything other that eye health articles come from the other side, so I'm not really thinking we have a huge discrepancy in providing facts, do we?
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                      • G3no_11
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                        #4751
                        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by ACMilan99
                        Because he's intelligent and I love to argue.



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                        Totally unnecessary.

                        You could also throw in Matt Holliday as well.
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                        • WaitTilNextYear
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                          #4752
                          Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by CameRoN0407
                          Knock yourself out! Not everyone is a Strasburg, Heyward, J-Up.
                          OK, but it's not going to happen right away. I will produce a list though. I'm not letting you off the hook that easy.
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                          • AC
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                            #4753
                            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                            I know . That's kinda that point with mods around, being able to say something without saying it. Plus, I try not to be a giant **** most of the time. Maybe this time excluded.
                            You still don't know that it's true. You can't just assume you know more than other people, especially when you're on the wrong side of an argument.

                            Originally posted by WTNY
                            I wouldn't mind debating all night, but I'd actually rather get a couple of games in . Also both sides seem fairly entrenched right now, and it's more just starting to descend into insults...probably good to turn back from that course.
                            Hey, if this is how you get out of losing an argument, by all means haha.

                            Originally posted by WTNY
                            OK, no more putting anything in anyone's mouths! That goes for everyone! That rule might actually be useful in the OP.
                            Some great advice that should be followed by all *hint hint*

                            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                            Well the original question was do you like Papelbon for Olt? And the poster's already withdrawn that, so this whole debate, while still enlightening, is at least irrelevant if not off topic.
                            We're debating the trade value of a player, specifically, his devaluation by some. A player on the spreadsheet, no less, so this is right on topic, but if you'd like to get out of arguing by saying OT, sure lol.
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                            • CameRoN0407
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                              • Oct 2012
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                              #4754
                              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                              Well I already posted stats for Olt, which was dismissed as an eye problem and SSS. I have not seen anything other that eye health articles come from the other side, so I'm not really thinking we have a huge discrepancy in providing facts, do we?
                              If I recall, there was alot of stats, links to Fangraphs and other articles unrelated to the eye issue. That's alot of backup for us.
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                              • AC
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                                #4755
                                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by G3no_11
                                Totally unnecessary.

                                You could also throw in Matt Holliday as well.
                                Ah ****, I forgot Rockies fans were in this thread/existed haha.

                                http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...46&position=OF

                                He never really gave much value, despite an amazing bat. And the reason I said I thought he sucked was because of his 1999 season. It was fascinating.

                                http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dante...e-1999-season/

                                Matt Holiday is a good example as well.
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