2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

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Yes Hosmer is extremely unrealistic IMO. They just traded one of the best prospects in baseball to get an established starting pitcher in order to win now, and Hosmer is a key part of their future.

Alright, thanks, I figured as much but that he was on WTNY's list was enough for me to at least ask.

If you want me to say why I think they are built for a run in the next year or 2 I can, but I already troll the thread with my Rockies talk too much haha.

No, please tell me more about CarGo's superstar talent level and how Tyler Colvin is the next coming.

[KingFry]

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Kingfry, take a look at some of these packages and tell me how you like them.



That's the advice (most of it) I gave k_mac, so take that how you will.

I like the (players name shall not be mentioned) one, and the Dodgers one, but I'm trying to keep a spot open for Baez at 3B in the future... I may take the Braves second one though... I really like it. But before I do that, if I do take the Texas or Dodgers one, what should I do with Baez? Trading Barney is unrealistic plus he is a great fielder, so I don't know if I'd move him to 2B, or trade him or what...

[AC]

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I like the (players name shall not be mentioned) one, and the Dodgers one, but I'm trying to keep a spot open for Baez at 3B in the future... I may take the Braves second one though... I really like it. But before I do that, if I do take the Texas or Dodgers one, what should I do with Baez? Trading Barney is unrealistic plus he is a great fielder, so I don't know if I'd move him to 2B, or trade him or what...

If you like Barney that much, then don't bother with a 3B trade. If I were you, I'd take the first Jays one or either of the Red Sox ones. Maybe the second Jays one.

[KingFry]

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If you like Barney that much, then don't bother with a 3B trade. If I were you, I'd take the first Jays one or either of the Red Sox ones. Maybe the second Jays one.

Well I like the Dodgers one but I'm trying to be realistic-- so do you think it would be realistic to move Barney? I didn't think it was very realistic, but if other people do I can move him.

[DaBull_33]

I would say that, realistically, Brothers would probably be the toughest arm to acquire out of the Rockies 'pen. His youth, stuff, and left-handedness make him a highly coveted prize for Mr. O'Dowd. Not saying he's untouchable (I don't think anyone in Colorado is untouchable for the right price), but if you're going for realism, he would definitely demand the highest price of any reliever. Just my two cents.

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[AC]

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Well I like the Dodgers one but I'm trying to be realistic-- so do you think it would be realistic to move Barney? I didn't think it was very realistic, but if other people do I can move him.

I don't think it would be super realistic.

Why do you want to move Barney now?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Too lazy to multi-quote...

Yes, Hosmer is currently unreaslitic. That was kind of my point. I think the Royals bank on him much like the Mets bank on Ike Davis. I don't think Hosmer is SUPER unrealistic though, especially if the Royals' season goes like I think it will...Not guaranteeing they trade him, but just saying he's a rung or two down from the untouchability of Jason Heyward or something.

A mid A is FAR too much for Garza no matter how he's pitching. I thought AC meant to knock his value down a peg?

Even at the height of his value last year (before injuries and with another year of team control) Garza could not get a mid A. I realize the young 3B for Texas is an A in the game, and was rumored to be in a deal, but he's not seen that way by most prospect people anymore.

Barney, untouchable? LOL. Cubs were talking to Detroit about him last year.

By the way, thanks for explaining what people see about Lawrie. I hope he reaches his potential--would be good for the game.

[KingFry]

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I don't think it would be super realistic.

Why do you want to move Barney now?

Maybe not now but overall in any season...(obviously not including when he is 34-35-36).

But I was just mentioning it. I think I'm gonna go with the Dodgers... I thought Lee was a B POT for a second then I realized he is an A, so that makes me more willing--haha.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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With all due respect, and I know a few people like that Dodgers trade, the Dodgers would never trade that much for Garza (he's a rental and not as good as you'd think he is anyway). Seager and Lee are too coveted by the Dodgers. I know money isn't an issue, but I assume they still have people with some baseball knowledge working there.

Seager and Lee would be Christmas in July for Cubs fans.

[AC]

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Too lazy to multi-quote...

So am I so I'm putting these in bold haha.

Yes, Hosmer is currently unreaslitic. That was kind of my point. I think the Royals bank on him much like the Mets bank on Ike Davis. I don't think Hosmer is SUPER unrealistic though, especially if the Royals' season goes like I think it will...Not guaranteeing they trade him, but just saying he's a rung or two down from the untouchability of Jason Heyward or something.

Okay, thanks for clarifying. He's off to a .341 start with 3 dingers so far so I think I'm gonna stay away from that ridiculous price haha.

A mid A is FAR too much for Garza no matter how he's pitching. I thought AC meant to knock his value down a peg?

I'm trying to steer him to some of the lower packages that I suggested. I only suggested mid A's for k_mac because of how he was pitching.

Even at the height of his value last year (before injuries and with another year of team control) Garza could not get a mid A. I realize the young 3B for Texas is an A in the game, and was rumored to be in a deal, but he's not seen that way by most prospect people anymore.

k_mac was really pitching well with him and not touching that last sentence lol.

Barney, untouchable? LOL. Cubs were talking to Detroit about him last year.

Unrealistic, not untouchable lol.

By the way, thanks for explaining what people see about Lawrie. I hope he reaches his potential--would be good for the game.

And for the Blue Jays, which I think we can agree they need haha.

babababold.

Maybe not now but overall in any season...(obviously not including when he is 34-35-36).

But I was just mentioning it. I think I'm gonna go with the Dodgers... I thought Lee was a B POT for a second then I realized he is an A, so that makes me more willing--haha.

Oh, yeah, then that'd be realistic.

Lee is an A in your chise? Okay that changes things, he's a B in mine.

[KingFry]

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babababold.



Oh, yeah, then that'd be realistic.

Lee is an A in your chise? Okay that changes things, he's a B in mine.

Oh no.... ahh, hahahaha, even after I literally just pitched a 1 hitter with him? Woosh... Although Lee basically is just a Low A, so it is a Low A, and a Mid B for Garza who is pitching great + dodgers on a playoff run.

[AC]

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Okay guys, I need some help. Here are some trades I'm planning to do (with stats for once!). I'm around 15 games in or something like that so nothing major here.

Texas trade

Spoiler

Soto(.143 OBP in minimal PT)
Grimm (3.46 ERA in a couple starts)

FOR

Arencibia (same as Soto but he's A potential)
Sierra (lowmid B prospect, hitting well .286 AVG in AAA)
Oliver (pitching well in a couple innings but this is a realism thing)

Seattle Trade 1

Spoiler

Ackley (.200 OBP, before the mendoza line, just baaaad)

FOR

Josh Thole (.167 OBP, B POT, in the trade so that Montero wouldn't catch)
Moises Sierra (above, Seattle has a huge OF hole after injuries)

Seattle Trade 2

Spoiler

Jesus Montero (.151 OBP owowowow)
Jeremy Bonderman (hasn't really pitched but I need depth)

FOR

Ricky Romero (2 DIPS at AAA, the bane of my existence, A POT)

Seattle Trade 3

Spoiler

Justin Smoak (.216 average... AT AAA)

FOR

Ryan Goins (.529 OBP in AAA lolol)

Any advice from anyone? Obviously fairness and realism are 100% necessary.

[AC]

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Oh no.... ahh, hahahaha, even after I literally just pitched a 1 hitter with him? Woosh... Although Lee basically is just a Low A, so it is a Low A, and a Mid B for Garza who is pitching great + dodgers on a playoff run.

Seager isn't a mid B.

I would just go with the first Red Sox or first Blue Jays one if I were you, maybe the Braves one with Teheran.

[G3no_11]

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No, please tell me more about CarGo's superstar talent level and how Tyler Colvin is the next coming.

Ok here is why I think the Rockies are not going to be sellers this year:

First of all, Tyler Colvin is going to return to form around the all-star break and probably carry the team on his back to the World Series. (I'm really not super high on Colvin, I just think he is better than what WTNY is giving him credit for.)

But for real, Chacin, Nicasio, and De La Rosa are all starting to become solid starters. (They are all coming off of fairly serious injuries, Chacin with a pectoral issue that really effected his stats and performance last year. Nicasio with a knee injury that kept him out for half of last year and getting hit by a line drive that knocked him out for a year before that. And JDLR with the Tommy John surgery.)

I'm not as high on Nicasio because of his inconsistency but I think next year he could solidify himself as a 3-4 starter. What I AM excited about is Chatwood. He's shown that he could be a very solid starter after his play in AAA and his few starts this year in the bigs. I think Pomeranz is finally starting to figure things out in AAA as well which could be huge.

That gives the Rockies a fairly solid rotation: Chacin (assuming he gets even better with more seasoning), De La Rosa, Chatwood, Nicasio (assuming he is more consistent by next year, he has shown a lot of improvement his last couple of starts after adding a new pitch), and Pomeranz.

Their offense really isn't a concern, especially with Nolan Arenado coming into the mix at 3B which has been the Rockies hole in their lineup for years. Give him the rest of this year in the bigs and he could have a huge year next year.

Wilin Rosario has shown a lot of improvement behind the dish. Rutledge was a little bit of a let down, but he could be a very solid player if he can figure things out this year. (I think he was just called up too soon and having him switch positions didn't help much with his development either.)

Throw all of that together with Tulo, CarGo, Fowler, Cuddyer and a bullpen that has been impressive, and you will have a team that is built for a run for the division.

The reason I don't think they are sellers THIS year is because I think they are going to let this group play it out for a year or two to see if they can make a run with Arenado in the mix. If they don't show any promising signs in a year or two than I would fully expect CarGo and possibly Tulo dealt to get value while they are still under contract.

But I really just can't see any major deals being made this year.

So there's that. Let the bashing begin.

[AC]

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So there's that. Let the bashing begin.

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