2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[BlueJays09]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I was agreeing with you and Bluejays, I thought Bluejays meant it would be realistic to replace a B with an A. I think the Rockies would demand one.

Ya I meant replace 1 B with a Low A

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I didn't mean to imply that you referred to BABIP as luck, that was just a generalized statement I felt like I needed to throw in there due to massively popular misperception. However, the point that your regression to the mean is flawed is valid. Nobody can argue his fb/hr is sustainable, but to assume his barrelling skills are average for the sake of regression? Think about what that means. I dunno about teying to pick something realistic for him though. It is arbitrary but could be right.

35 makes a great way of stating a gap and come trade deadline time, who really knows what the market is like? It could theoretically go the other way as well. Non-deadline deals, I will agree with his assessment on bending.

I like your arguments though and I'll drop it from this thread. It has been fun!

I don't think regressing Cargo to his career mean is unfair; it's apples to apples. Comparing him to the MLB average is a stretch. BABIP can be a *skill* in some cases, or at least partly.

But, Cargo has a .320-.330 BABIP outside of Coors not a .420 BABIP like this year, lol.

gotta love debates that take up more then 3 entire pages...good work fellas!

Mike Olt anyone?

I agree. Three Bs are better that one low A IMO.

Depends on what you need. A surefire starter at a position of weakness might be better depending on the team. For example, what would the Cards/M's do with 3 more B's? They'd be buried in a system-wide avalanche of prospect depth. Then again, 3 B's would be much better for the White Sox/Angels...It's context dependent, and prospect dependent too.

[Bluejaysfan65]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I was agreeing with you and Bluejays, I thought Bluejays meant it would be realistic to replace a B with an A. I think the Rockies would demand one.

Ya I meant replace 1 B with a Low A

I'm completely confused now...

[Bluejaysfan65]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Mike Olt anyone?

Nah, how about Stanton?

[G3no_11]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Tyler Colvin?

[KingFry]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I'm completely confused now...

We meant that we think they would rather replace one of the B's with a Low A. That's all.

[Shock1011]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

2 pretty minor deals as the Rays

TB Gets: Guerra + Castellanos
LAD Gets: Patrick Leonard + Kelly Johnson

and

TB Gets: Chris Carter + Brett Wallace
HOU Gets: Floethe, Markel + Toles

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

2 pretty minor deals as the Rays

TB Gets: Guerra + Castellanos
LAD Gets: Patrick Leonard + Kelly Johnson

and

TB Gets: Chris Carter + Brett Wallace
HOU Gets: Floethe, Markel + Toles

Neither one is terrible. Maybe could get more for Carter.

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I don't think regressing Cargo to his career mean is unfair; it's apples to apples. Comparing him to the MLB average is a stretch. BABIP can be a *skill* in some cases, or at least partly.

I do think it was a stretch and DID admit it. You guys want me to regress him to .320 BABIP and 14% HR/FB?

And BABIP is 3 main components: pure luck, contact%, and LD%. Just imo.

But, Cargo has a .320-.330 BABIP outside of Coors not a .420 BABIP like this year, lol.

Hence why I suggested that to be more fair.

Mike Olt anyone?

DON'T even go there hahaha.

[Shock1011]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I added another high C pitcher to the Carter deal

Also warning your eyes may bleed

Spoiler

CPU Traded Stanton for Colby Lewis in my RTTS

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Spoiler

CPU Traded Stanton for Colby Lewis in my RTTS

[Bluejaysfan65]

I added another high C pitcher to the Carter deal

Also warning your eyes may bleed

Spoiler

CPU Traded Stanton for Colby Lewis in my RTTS

Oh hell no....

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

So, Adam Lind is playing in my dynasty pretty much exactly like he is in real life (GJ Willard!), and I want to know what he'd be valued at if I sold high. Jays fans, I will take your words with more than a grain of salt for fairly apparent reasons.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...ition=1B/DH/OF

Here's how he's playing in real life. That .393 BABIP looks bad, but a much improved LD% (with the plate discipline numbers to boot) and a platoon (slows regression) displays that a .330+ BABIP may be sustainable. He's on an extremely reasonable contract. Showing good power and a nice ability to get on base, obviously.

The defense passes not only the eye test (he's purty out there), but the metric test, he's rocking a 5.6 UZR/150.

What do you guys think? Just basing things off real life, as there haven't been any surprises aside from Wil Myers beasting in my chise, teams that want a 1B: Mets, Brewers, Phillies, Royals, Cardinals, Giants, Athletics.

[G3no_11]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

So, Adam Lind.....
What do you guys think? Just basing things off real life, as there haven't been any surprises aside from Wil Myers beasting in my chise, teams that want a 1B: Mets, Brewers, Phillies, Royals, Cardinals, Giants, Athletics.

What exactly are you looking for? I'm assuming MLB ready players? or prospects? Pitching help or position players?

Or are you just trying to get a general value?

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

What exactly are you looking for? I'm assuming MLB ready players? or prospects? Pitching help or position players?

Or are you just trying to get a general value?

Just a general value, really. I'm more than willing to DFA Ackley if I was getting a 2B back as he's hitting like ****. A 3B wouldn't be bad either. But mainly, I really, really want a catcher. Pleeeeeaaaaaaaasssssseeeee. I'm playing the Red Sox next and I hope Arencibia gets run over by Ortiz at the plate. He is just such ****. I hate him with a passion. I can't justify going for Grimm anymore unless Grimm blows up. My catcher prospect A.J. Jimenez is blowing and Santiago Nessy is a couple years away.