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  • flamingoezz
    Rookie
    • Mar 2010
    • 122

    #136
    Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

    No offense but Mo did this during the steroid era. Look at star players who retired in the 70's and 80's. bodies just don't hold up except rare occasions without these drugs.

    even durable players like schmidt, sandberg, etc took a nose dive statistically at 36 or so.


    Originally posted by pirates1fan
    Ok, wow, this is a huge issue for me. I wanted to get into a franchise and sim a little to see what would happen. Unbelievable the amount of drop from anyone who is just a little on the older side.

    Take a guy like Mariano Rivera as an example. He is currently 43 years old. 2005, his age 35 season, he had a 1.38 ERA. 43 Saves. 2011, 41 yeras old, 1.91 ERA, and 44 saves. And he kept it at right about the same for all years in between. Point is, AGE CLEARLY DOES NOT DETERMINE A PLAYERS REGRESSION! Now, I am not saying that as a player gets older he doesn't decline. And, quite frankly, Mariano Rivera is a freak of nature. However, I don't understand how age alone determines a players regression.

    The Pittsburgh Pirates aquired A.J. Burnett last spring. His age 35 year. He was coming off of a couple 5.00+ ERA years with the Yanks. Not to mention, he missed all of spring training because a bunted ball was fouled off of his eye and he broke his orbital bone. He came back, started 31 games, pitched 202.1 innings, went 16-10 with a 3.51 ERA and 180 K's.

    So, your telling me that because a guy hits about 35 years of age, no matter his performance in the game, he drops about 15-20 overall in spring training, and even more over the year! Biggest load of BULL CRAP I have ever seen. Age alone should in no way shape or form determine a players regression.

    Now, the combination of age+results+durability is what should determine a decline in a game in my opinion. The main thing I play is Franchise and this will ruin it for me if I have to see this load of crap. Almost makes me want to return it. If this isn't patched, I will have to consider my options. Never thought I'd say that, but this is awful for me. For anyone that disagrees with me, sorry, but I am quite infuriated right now if you couldn't tell by this really long message.

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    • BrianU
      MVP
      • Nov 2008
      • 1565

      #137
      Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

      Originally posted by geisterhome
      I don't see it as dramatic as you maybe but I have to say I agree with you for the most part. I really hope they'll tone it down/randomize it quite a bit and get rid of the first year spring training decline completely.

      Everybody agreeing make sure that you vote for the "BUG REPORT" in my signature. It's has the 5th most votes right now.
      The Bug Report in your sig could be written better. It doesn't mention the Spring Training drops that can be avoided by selecting 'End Spring Training' but by doing that doesn't allow you to participate in the spring training experience and try out your players/decide position battles

      That should really be pointed out as the devs may not be aware of that issue, they may look at it as people not liking the regression system overall which isn't really the case for many. It's ratings dropping after spring training 20 points, then again during the entire season. How a guy can lose 20 points in 1 month is beyond me. Regular season regression is more understandable, but that too could be toned down a little.

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      • geisterhome
        MVP
        • Sep 2011
        • 2101

        #138
        Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

        Originally posted by BrianU
        The Bug Report in your sig could be written better. It doesn't mention the Spring Training drops that can be avoided by selecting 'End Spring Training' but by doing that doesn't allow you to participate in the spring training experience and try out your players/decide position battles

        That should really be pointed out as the devs may not be aware of that issue, they may look at it as people not liking the regression system overall which isn't really the case for many. It's ratings dropping after spring training 20 points, then again during the entire season. How a guy can lose 20 points in 1 month is beyond me. Regular season regression is more understandable, but that too could be toned down a little.
        That's true, what would you change to point out the spring training decline?

        Another and maybe bigger problem is that also the actual bug description on The Show Nation doesn't directly refer to the spring training ratings decline..

        Not sure what to do? Open another bug report? I'm afraid that could take away votes from the one in my signature and never get enough votes to get much attention from the devs itself.
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        • pirates1fan
          Rookie
          • Dec 2012
          • 185

          #139
          Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

          I just played a play now game and remembered how much I do love the game, so I am better now.

          Still, the amount of regression is rediculous A.J. Burnett, orginally an 84, dropped to a 72 after Spring Training. And even if you hit end spring, they are still going to drop drastically very soon. Worse yet, A.J., who has been named the Bucs opening day starter, was put in the Bullpen as long relief! So the game only looks at the ratings, so guys like Derek Jeter will probably be in a permanent bench role before you know it! That is so over the top to me. While the old system with regression wasn't great, I would rather have that over this new system.

          I simmed a season mode, and it didn't have the regression thing, so I will just do those if Franchise doesn't somehow get a patch. I don't know if they can patch it, but I hope so. Who knows, maybe they don't think the system is flawed anyway. But, really not happy about it. But, oh well I guess. Just dissapointed.

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          • pirates1fan
            Rookie
            • Dec 2012
            • 185

            #140
            Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

            Originally posted by BrianU
            The Bug Report in your sig could be written better. It doesn't mention the Spring Training drops that can be avoided by selecting 'End Spring Training' but by doing that doesn't allow you to participate in the spring training experience and try out your players/decide position battles

            That should really be pointed out as the devs may not be aware of that issue, they may look at it as people not liking the regression system overall which isn't really the case for many. It's ratings dropping after spring training 20 points, then again during the entire season. How a guy can lose 20 points in 1 month is beyond me. Regular season regression is more understandable, but that too could be toned down a little.
            You couldn't have summed it up any better. I am not saying I think the regression thing all the way around is a bad thing, just way over the top, way too much

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            • geisterhome
              MVP
              • Sep 2011
              • 2101

              #141
              Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

              So I created a new bug report just concerning the spring training decline.

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              • 3fiddy
                Rookie
                • Apr 2012
                • 392

                #142
                Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                Wondering if this is a time where a person would be this upset if Rivera was retiring and they simulating that. Just like the blochbuster trade that would never happen ( toronto an miami ) Clearly it shouldn't be cut an dry method when they hit an age. But this system is in it's early stages 1st real shot at a player progression / regression system.
                I play MLB exclusively with my cousin. Usually looking for info on Franchises. We played minor league baseball as 9-10 YOs on the Zephyrs.

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                • Betterai
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 489

                  #143
                  Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                  Originally posted by iRepIndiana
                  I understand where you're coming from but let me put this into perspective.

                  There are more 36-40 year olds who decrease in playing ability and their number than there are who maintain and continued success in the big leagues.

                  I think this system is great.
                  Agree with this.....also you can jump in and edit any of the older players you think may have unjustly declined and restore their ratings.....I'm just hoping SCEA doesn't alter the system too much, because I think this is the best progression/regression system we've ever had for this game
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                  • GreenGlen
                    Pro
                    • Nov 2002
                    • 639

                    #144
                    Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                    Originally posted by pirates1fan
                    I just played a play now game and remembered how much I do love the game, so I am better now.

                    Still, the amount of regression is rediculous A.J. Burnett, orginally an 84, dropped to a 72 after Spring Training. And even if you hit end spring, they are still going to drop drastically very soon. Worse yet, A.J., who has been named the Bucs opening day starter, was put in the Bullpen as long relief! So the game only looks at the ratings, so guys like Derek Jeter will probably be in a permanent bench role before you know it! That is so over the top to me. While the old system with regression wasn't great, I would rather have that over this new system.

                    I simmed a season mode, and it didn't have the regression thing, so I will just do those if Franchise doesn't somehow get a patch. I don't know if they can patch it, but I hope so. Who knows, maybe they don't think the system is flawed anyway. But, really not happy about it. But, oh well I guess. Just dissapointed.
                    Even the text based games struggle with progression/regression. If you can play within the limitations of the game and they ALL have limitations, you will really start enjoying this game again. Every year I find things I don't like but when I play within the limitations of the game, I totally love it.

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                    • zman2392
                      Rookie
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 270

                      #145
                      Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                      Originally posted by natey2k4
                      Here's a question (may have been answered, sorry if it has);

                      Say, for example, R.A. Dickey is a 95 overall. Does his spring training stats matter to the decrease or not? So say he has a poor spring, will he maybe drop 20-points to a 75? Or, if he has an incredible spring, will he stay 95? Or if he has a so-so spring, will he drop to just 85? Does their Spring Training performance have anything to do with the drop in ratings or is it purely just a random thing based on age?
                      For what its worth I have made two starts with R. A. in my spring and have done decent with him (7 IP 2 ER) and he is still at a 95. But I don't know if its a gradual thing or if all of a sudden he drops down at the end of spring training.

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                      • pirates1fan
                        Rookie
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 185

                        #146
                        Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                        Originally posted by GreenGlen
                        Even the text based games struggle with progression/regression. If you can play within the limitations of the game and they ALL have limitations, you will really start enjoying this game again. Every year I find things I don't like but when I play within the limitations of the game, I totally love it.
                        Hey, I still think the game is awesome. Just every year I look forward to Franchise the most, and then this happens and it is just discouraging to me.

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                        • Drew127
                          Pro
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 523

                          #147
                          Originally posted by GreenGlen
                          Even the text based games struggle with progression/regression. If you can play within the limitations of the game and they ALL have limitations, you will really start enjoying this game again. Every year I find things I don't like but when I play within the limitations of the game, I totally love it.
                          Well said. This same logic could apply when complaining about the salaries being observed given to free agents in franchise mode.

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                          • Dr.Livingdead
                            Rookie
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 30

                            #148
                            Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                            Damn you Pujols and your crazy deal. I guess ill be paying
                            25 mil for a dh here soon lol

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                            • Russell_SCEA
                              SCEA Community Manager
                              • May 2005
                              • 4161

                              #149
                              Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                              Originally posted by geisterhome
                              So I created a new bug report just concerning the spring training decline.

                              http://theshownation.com/bug_reports/10716
                              It's not a bug and I wouldn't get my hopes up for any alteration in a patch.

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                              • geisterhome
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 2101

                                #150
                                Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                                Originally posted by Russell_SCEA
                                It's not a bug and I wouldn't get my hopes up for any alteration in a patch.
                                So why doesn't the decline happen when we select "End Spring Training" right at the beginnig of the franchise? If that is not a bug then I don't what is one...
                                But maybe I should be quiet not to make you guys patch out the only possible work around, lol.

                                For sure some very odd game design in that case, not sure anymore if I will really purchase that game.
                                Last edited by geisterhome; 03-08-2013, 03:06 PM.
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