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  • Willis135
    Pro
    • Jan 2010
    • 601

    #166
    Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

    I think the "work around" for this is simply not to look at the players names. If you pay no attention to the player names, I think the progression system is great. Forces you to play franchise the way it was meant to be played.

    Use your farm system/free agents. Gives younng players a chance to make it to the bigs instead of just using 40 year olds who are still highly rated. I love it!

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    • PhillyWhat2011
      Rookie
      • Sep 2011
      • 144

      #167
      Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

      Originally posted by Willis135
      I think the "work around" for this is simply not to look at the players names. If you pay no attention to the player names, I think the progression system is great. Forces you to play franchise the way it was meant to be played.

      Use your farm system/free agents. Gives younng players a chance to make it to the bigs instead of just using 40 year olds who are still highly rated. I love it!

      This way of looking at it is beginning to grow on me. I just wish they didn't drop as quick during the Spring.

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      • pirates1fan
        Rookie
        • Dec 2012
        • 185

        #168
        Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

        Originally posted by PhillyWhat2011
        No he didn't. He said that players "fall off of a cliff" when he should have said "players basically die"
        Oh, I apolagize.

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        • pirates1fan
          Rookie
          • Dec 2012
          • 185

          #169
          Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

          Originally posted by PhillyWhat2011
          This way of looking at it is beginning to grow on me. I just wish they didn't drop as quick during the Spring.
          I'm glad it is growing on you, but I will just do season mode or something if they don't patch it. Russell didn't deny it was something that could be patched, he just said not to get our hopes up. So, I am going to get my hopes up.

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          • CabreraMVP
            MVP
            • Sep 2010
            • 1437

            #170
            Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

            Torii Hunter is a guy who's gotten better as he aged and just had one of his best years at age 36 or 37.
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            • BBallcoach
              MVP
              • Dec 2012
              • 1524

              #171
              Can you edit other teams' players attributes? Or even your own? Cause I'll just look at the #s and make proper adjustments
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              • ptbnl
                Rookie
                • Mar 2012
                • 348

                #172
                Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                Originally posted by Willis135
                I think the "work around" for this is simply not to look at the players names. If you pay no attention to the player names, I think the progression system is great. Forces you to play franchise the way it was meant to be played.

                Use your farm system/free agents. Gives younng players a chance to make it to the bigs instead of just using 40 year olds who are still highly rated. I love it!
                While I agree that you should be pushed to use younger players, you shouldn't see a complete disintegration of ANY player just because he hit 35. That doesn't happen in real life, except in the case of injury usually.

                While I think there should be regression, it should be a little more gradual (not slow, but paced). Guys should not be dropping 20 overall points in the first month of the season or ST (or even by the end of the year really).

                Guys 35 and up should be getting worse, but this is like watching Indiana Jones and the Nazis open the Ark.
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                • 24
                  Forever A Legend
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 2809

                  #173
                  Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                  Originally posted by jrivera34
                  IMO this is only an issue for those rare players (Jeter, Dickey, Rivera) who defy age.

                  Can you manually change their ratings back up after they drop?

                  If so then we can correct the players we don't agree on and leave the others.
                  Many players in the past have succeeded past the age of 35. Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Mike Schmidt, Greg Maddux, Griffey Jr, Jim Thome, and Ichiro are a few. Hell look at Jaimie Moyer He won 21 games at the age of 40. It's not an everyday occurrence but older players can still produce and as modern medicine advances it will eventually happen more often.

                  I think their should be a regression rating. The higher the rating the less likely a player is to regress as he gets older.


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                  • ptbnl
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 348

                    #174
                    Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                    Originally posted by 24
                    Many players in the past have succeeded past the age of 35. Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Mike Schmidt, Greg Maddux, Griffey Jr, Jim Thome, and Ichiro are a few. Hell look at Jaimie Moyer He won 21 games at the age of 40. It's not an everyday occurrence but older players can still produce and as modern medicine advances it will eventually happen more often.

                    I think their should be a regression rating. The higher the rating the less likely a player is to regress as he gets older.
                    The problem is, how do you determine that? Should Mike Trout have a high regression rating? Or should he go to crap in his mid-30s?

                    We don't know. This rating only works if you have history to go on (e.g.: Moyer, Jeter, Rivera, Thome, etc...)

                    But, if the regression was a little more gradual as the norm (which is the way it is in real life), but increases as the player ages (your regression gets faster each year the player stays active), it works better.

                    Then you'll have players aging differently and at a more manageable pace. You'll see guys who have played for 10 years or more being able to continue playing at some productivity even into their late 30s, but not being stars anymore.
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                    • BBallcoach
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 1524

                      #175
                      Originally posted by 24
                      Many players in the past have succeeded past the age of 35. Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Mike Schmidt, Greg Maddux, Griffey Jr, Jim Thome, and Ichiro are a few. Hell look at Jaimie Moyer He won 21 games at the age of 40. It's not an everyday occurrence but older players can still produce and as modern medicine advances it will eventually happen more often.

                      I think their should be a regression rating. The higher the rating the less likely a player is to regress as he gets older.
                      As some one else said.. Call it a longevity rating
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                      • mgoblue678
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 3371

                        #176
                        Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                        Originally posted by BBallcoach
                        Can you edit other teams' players attributes? Or even your own? Cause I'll just look at the #s and make proper adjustments
                        Unless something was changed for MLB 13, I believe you can edit any player at anytime.

                        I would definatly put myself in the catagory, of people who think the decline is way too drastic and uniform instead of being more random. Players falling off a cliff to the point where they are basically a minor player in such a short timeframe, is something that does not commonly happen. From what has been said in this thread by Ramone, it looks like this probally won't be something that is altered, so I guess editing players myself to lessen the decline/make it more random is what I will probally end up doing, though that takes time away from actually playing the game.
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                        • BBallcoach
                          MVP
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 1524

                          #177
                          Originally posted by mgoblue678
                          Unless something was changed for MLB 13, I believe you can edit any player at anytime.

                          I would definatly put myself in the catagory, of people who think the decline is way too drastic and uniform instead of being more random. From what has been said in this thread by Ramone, it looks like this probally won't be something that is altered, so I guess editing players myself to lessen the decline/make it more random is what I will probally end up doing, though that takes time away from actually playing the game.
                          Yeah. If the player had good stats I'll just bump them up points. It maybe time consuming but for my osfm chise it will be worth it
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                          • woody2goody
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 2097

                            #178
                            Using some examples from other games:

                            On FIFA 13, in my Liverpool career, Jamie Carragher (a 34 year old defender for those who don't know) starts off at I believe 76 or 77 OVR. During the season he regressed to 74, losing a few points on his physical attributes mostly.

                            Now, by the start of season 2 he was 72, and now 3 months in to the season he is rated 71. Now I realise that overall ratings aren't the be-all and end-all, but this is what sticks out as realistic regression to me.

                            A guy losing 15-20 points of overall rating at the end of Spring Training is ridiculous. Todd Helton won't go to ST as an 85 OVR or whatever he is, and then on opening day magically turn into a below average major leaguer. I'd be fine if he lost 5-10 points gradually throughout the year depending on how he plays, but it is a problem, devs forgive me but I can't see the thinking behind implementing this in this particular way.
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                            • Dr.Livingdead
                              Rookie
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 30

                              #179
                              Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                              Why would they put so much time and effort into the new scouting,drafting,and developing system, if every player was amazing until they were 50? Give and take. You have to have room for all these prospects to play anyway. I say great system, force us to make decisions on players we would normally never get rid of.

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                              • BBallcoach
                                MVP
                                • Dec 2012
                                • 1524

                                #180
                                Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                                Originally posted by Dr.Livingdead
                                Why would they put so much time and effort into the new scouting,drafting,and developing system, if every player was amazing until they were 50? Give and take. You have to have room for all these prospects to play anyway. I say great system, force us to make decisions on players we would normally never get rid of.
                                i get that, but in the same time a guy shouldn't drop 15 points after a good season just do to age... I get an age drop but 5-10 is way more reasonable that 15-20... For some players, now in my season Dempster should drop a ton, his numbers got worse and worse. But Ortiz hit .320 with 36 HR and 120 RBI... while declining -17 in every category over the year. Now he's a 73 ovl after a great year. I think an 80 would be fine even but 17 points after a great year is kind of crazy.

                                Like I've said before I know the game doesn't see it as David Ortiz. Just a 37 year old player, but it should take that player's stats into account.
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