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  • MNOFSTEEL34
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    • Dec 2002
    • 901

    #61
    Re: Slider suggestion

    this is a ? for all that have been talking to brian about sliders...

    are you guys going to post your new updated sliders
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    • Hoos
      MVP
      • Mar 2003
      • 3998

      #62
      Re: Slider suggestion

      Originally posted by brunnoce
      allright brian!
      i did what u said, and i increased the pither fatigue(stamina) by 5..wierd that this slider is only at the USER sliders menu, but i guess it also effects the CPU pitcher right(seems so)??

      anywaz, seems its working like u said... i havnet had a +11 hit game after the changes u suggested...and that whithout striking out a lot, which is realistic, depending on the pitcher. Also managers seems to still pulling pitchers out about the right time evan with the stamina so high...no probleme there.

      things are working great! Most becasue of your help man, thank u very much for the inside info ure providing us here!

      now i just cant wait for some updated roster(SCEA after opening day, or knight/jim) so i can start my real franchise
      Brunnoce, is it possible for you to list your slider settings that you are currently using??? I'd really like to test things out seeing how you have been following alot of Brian's suggestions. Is it possible for you to upload them to Sports Connect???

      Would really appreciate it if you can................ thanks
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      • brunnoce
        MVP
        • Mar 2005
        • 4133

        #63
        Re: Slider suggestion

        ok man ill post it here...the ones i dont write means i didnt change..
        Those are really radical sliders as i leave some things maxed and others zeroed out, and seems to be working pretty well so far.

        ill post them later on SC as "brunnoce"

        From default HOF
        I use Guess pitch and API
        0= default

        GLOBAL
        Pitch speed +10
        Pitch Count +10

        USER
        User Hit Quality -10
        User Power +1
        User Plate Vision -9
        User Timing Window +10
        Starting Pitcher Fatigue +10
        Relive Pitcher Fatigue +10
        User Foul Tip +10
        User Pitch Control +10


        CPU
        (dont know if the cpu hitting will work for u, as i use API i might suck at pitching, casue i let the cacther call my game , so maybe thats why i get realistic results from the cpu offense whith my sliders)
        CPU
        CPU Hit Quality -10
        CPU Power +1
        CPU Plate Dicipline -10
        CPU Foul Tip -10
        CPU Timing Window -10
        CPU Fielder Reaction +10
        CPU Baserunning Speed +10(i use auto baserunning)
        CPU Pitcher Agressivness -5( or -10 i cant remember now)
        CPU Pitcher Control +10
        CPU Pitch Movment +10
        CPU Strike % -10



        ok, thats it, gime a feedback once u tested it....
        rember these sliders are for really really patient players... i draw like +3 walks a game with a regular team and +4 with my A's, as i play money ball lol
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        PSN: brunnoce
        Thanx Knight165

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        • Hoos
          MVP
          • Mar 2003
          • 3998

          #64
          Re: Slider suggestion

          Originally posted by brunnoce
          ok man ill post it here...the ones i dont write means i didnt change..
          Those are really radical sliders as i leave some things maxed and others zeroed out, and seems to be working pretty well so far.

          ill post them later on SC as "brunnoce"

          From default HOF
          I use Guess pitch and API
          0= default

          GLOBAL
          Pitch speed +10
          Pitch Count +10

          USER
          User Hit Quality -10
          User Power +1
          User Plate Vision -9
          User Timing Window +10
          Starting Pitcher Fatigue +10
          Relive Pitcher Fatigue +10
          User Foul Tip +10
          User Pitch Control +10


          CPU
          (dont know if the cpu hitting will work for u, as i use API i might suck at pitching, casue i let the cacther call my game , so maybe thats why i get realistic results from the cpu offense whith my sliders)
          CPU
          CPU Hit Quality -10
          CPU Power +1
          CPU Plate Dicipline -10
          CPU Foul Tip -10
          CPU Timing Window -10
          CPU Fielder Reaction +10
          CPU Baserunning Speed +10(i use auto baserunning)
          CPU Pitcher Agressivness -5( or -10 i cant remember now)
          CPU Pitcher Control +10
          CPU Pitch Movment +10
          CPU Strike % -10



          ok, thats it, gime a feedback once u tested it....
          rember these sliders are for really really patient players... i draw like +3 walks a game with a regular team and +4 with my A's, as i play money ball lol
          OKay, thanks Brunnoce....I'll give these a go and will let you know what I see.
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          PSN: hoos4974

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          • pberardi
            Pro
            • Apr 2005
            • 964

            #65
            Re: Slider suggestion

            Originally posted by brunnoce
            ok man ill post it here...the ones i dont write means i didnt change..
            Those are really radical sliders as i leave some things maxed and others zeroed out, and seems to be working pretty well so far.

            ill post them later on SC as "brunnoce"

            From default HOF
            I use Guess pitch and API
            0= default

            GLOBAL
            Pitch speed +10
            Pitch Count +10

            USER
            User Hit Quality -10
            User Power +1
            User Plate Vision -9
            User Timing Window +10
            Starting Pitcher Fatigue +10
            Relive Pitcher Fatigue +10
            User Foul Tip +10
            User Pitch Control +10


            CPU
            (dont know if the cpu hitting will work for u, as i use API i might suck at pitching, casue i let the cacther call my game , so maybe thats why i get realistic results from the cpu offense whith my sliders)
            CPU
            CPU Hit Quality -10
            CPU Power +1
            CPU Plate Dicipline -10
            CPU Foul Tip -10
            CPU Timing Window -10
            CPU Fielder Reaction +10
            CPU Baserunning Speed +10(i use auto baserunning)
            CPU Pitcher Agressivness -5( or -10 i cant remember now)
            CPU Pitcher Control +10
            CPU Pitch Movment +10
            CPU Strike % -10



            ok, thats it, gime a feedback once u tested it....
            rember these sliders are for really really patient players... i draw like +3 walks a game with a regular team and +4 with my A's, as i play money ball lol
            These are interesting, extreme almost. On one hand, you lower HQ and vision dramatically. You're able to work deep into counts without striking out alot?

            Timing +10 Please explain. Is it because you have pitch speed at +10? I tried it on +10 and after one inning realized my skill level was not there. Would you recommend lowering it to default if I kept pitch speed at default? or keep it at +10.

            +10 cpu control and movement? Either these sliders have very little affect +10 seems to make drawing walks harder?

            I like the lower CPU hitting sliders as I agree, the cpu is a singles fest this year.

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            • brunnoce
              MVP
              • Mar 2005
              • 4133

              #66
              Re: Slider suggestion

              Originally posted by pberardi
              These are interesting, extreme almost. On one hand, you lower HQ and vision dramatically. You're able to work deep into counts without striking out alot?

              Timing +10 Please explain. Is it because you have pitch speed at +10? I tried it on +10 and after one inning realized my skill level was not there. Would you recommend lowering it to default if I kept pitch speed at default? or keep it at +10.

              +10 cpu control and movement? Either these sliders have very little affect +10 seems to make drawing walks harder?

              I like the lower CPU hitting sliders as I agree, the cpu is a singles fest this year.

              i would say yeah about the timing window, if u have lower pitch speed, lower it too..acordinly.

              and the +10 cpu pitcher control , this is for one reason only, i was getting way way too many cheap singles in 2 stike counts, where i was just trying to defend the strike zone, with that in mind, i notice that the CPU pitcher were lossing their control, and leaving stuff in the middle of the plate evan with 0-2 count for instance, now wioth +10 control they will try to nibble a lot more, specially when ahead in the count. if its a good pitcher liek beckett or santana he will hit the corners constantly , like in real life...

              I dont strike out a lot...its just about right , 5-8 times a game, with a +10 once in a while.
              ---------------
              PSN: brunnoce
              Thanx Knight165

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              • GSW
                Simnation
                • Feb 2003
                • 8041

                #67
                Re: Slider suggestion

                why not just play on default. srsly...
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                • spyder23
                  Rookie
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 169

                  #68
                  Re: Slider suggestion

                  Originally posted by GSW
                  why not just play on default. srsly...
                  I have been playing my Brewers season on default everything. I am 16-5 so far, at one point I had lost 3 of 4 games. Almost ALL of my games are close. The problem so far is me NOT giving up walks. All of my pitchers have whips under 1.00(my starters).

                  Once I get to 30 games played, I'll list some stats. I'm hitting .299 as a team so far, and my team ERA is a little above 3. Again, its still only in April, but I havent been too concerned with anything...except user walks, but then again, I HATE giving in to anybody, so its probably more a "me" thing.

                  I ripped off 8 games yesterday so I have been playing at a pretty good pace...I should get to 30 games here soon, and I'll give some stats.

                  Oh yeah...I should mention, I took Bill Abner's advice and lowered every OF in the game by half on Reaction and Field ability. I also lowered throw strength some for all OF. But I havent touched a single slider. The edits did wonders. I highly recommend it. I'm seeing lots of gappers, shots down the line, triples, etc...this is for both me and the cpu.

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                  • GSW
                    Simnation
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 8041

                    #69
                    Re: Slider suggestion

                    thats funny.. i get all those types of hits without having done any edits at all.

                    hmm.

                    also i use classic pitching. i dont give up many walks because i dont throw alot of balls... so that wouldnt be the games fault persay.. just my preferance on throwing a ball or strike.
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                    • Brian SCEA
                      Senior AI Programmer - MLB: The Show
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 293

                      #70
                      Re: Slider suggestion

                      Originally posted by GSW
                      thats funny.. i get all those types of hits without having done any edits at all.

                      hmm.

                      also i use classic pitching. i dont give up many walks because i dont throw alot of balls... so that wouldnt be the games fault persay.. just my preferance on throwing a ball or strike.
                      GSW brought up the preference factor in pitch strategy. An interesting thing about baseball strategy is that by changing pitching style, you can exchange one result for another. For example, by throwing more strikes you'll often improve BB/9 and IP in exchange for slightly worse H/9 and K/9. Sometimes you gain the benefits only (ex. perfect game), or the penalties only (ex. hitting streaks), especially since it's also up to how the batter reacts to this.

                      Each pitcher has a different optimal mix, with alternatives that are only slightly worse and make sense depending on the situation.

                      Although R/9 is obviously an important measure, surprisingly that's not always true. I'll give one example - if you're winning by so many runs that a loss seems unlikely (R/9 is no longer as important), the manager may want the pitcher to eat up innings to rest the bullpen for future games (IP is very important). This strategy hardly threatens your lead, because if you ever doubt your safe lead you can immediately revert to an optimal R/9 strategy. Baseball is not just about winning one game, but winning as many as you can and where they count.:wink:

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                      • gtm
                        M*t*l F*r*v*r
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 3946

                        #71
                        Re: Slider suggestion

                        Is there any way we can get sliders that need to be changed together ( that pertain to each other), be put in groups. This would help greatly.
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                        • sask3m
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 2352

                          #72
                          Re: Slider suggestion

                          also it would be nice to get an exact list of which sliders work and which don't.

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                          • ty5oke
                            87%
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 2912

                            #73
                            Re: Slider suggestion

                            Originally posted by sask3m
                            also it would be nice to get an exact list of which sliders work and which don't.
                            I agree. I personally think that the in-game sliders that didn't make the main menu sliders are inactive. But I don't know for sure.
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                            • sask3m
                              Banned
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 2352

                              #74
                              Re: Slider suggestion

                              actually i find that most sliders don't really seem to make a whole lot of difference, which is why you see so many different types of slider sets, no one can actually find one that works consistently, it almost seems to me like the games are a bit predetermined and not totally in the gamers hands, so to speak, kind of like the old highheat series was with the "sim slider" it had.

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                              • ty5oke
                                87%
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 2912

                                #75
                                Re: Slider suggestion

                                Originally posted by sask3m
                                actually i find that most sliders don't really seem to make a whole lot of difference, which is why you see so many different types of slider sets, no one can actually find one that works consistently, it almost seems to me like the games are a bit predetermined and not totally in the gamers hands, so to speak, kind of like the old highheat series was with the "sim slider" it had.
                                I've seen the CPU hitting sliders definetly change the game along with the pitch count sliders. Those are the main ones that I've changed and they made a big difference for me.
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