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  • dkrause1971
    All Star
    • Aug 2005
    • 5176

    #76
    Re: Show 09 Sliders

    Originally posted by rudyjuly2
    I think pitchers are too accurate on default. I play on Classic and have my pitch control at 0 and cpu pitch control at 1. It keeps everyone from painting corners.

    I have noticed the cpu hitters don't chase as many pitches as the demo. The one slider they removed that was great last year was cpu plate discipline. I think that was a bad decision as you could finetune how many balls they chased out of the zone.
    I was thinking about this- wouldn't it be better to drop strike % and keep pitch control at default? that way if they are told to throw a ball they are accurate throwing a ball.

    Overall, i am in the same boat all of you are. I pitch well enough to be on all-star but hit pretty poor. Most of that is because the CPU either is not throwing enough balls or i have a hard time telling which are balls and which are strikes. I think the answer is in between (the cpu should throw more and i should have a better eye).

    Anyway- any tips on how to stay more disciplined or tell if its a ball more often? i especially struggle on the pitches below the strike zone.
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    • dbrandon
      Banned
      • Mar 2003
      • 1337

      #77
      Re: Show 09 Sliders

      Originally posted by Knight165
      Not exactly.
      I think it's a bad label for the option.
      Basically...it gives a boost to whichever side is down. Once it goes to more than 4 runs...it's a little bit bigger boost.
      They are only slight boosts to contact/power I believe...maybe a pitching boost/hamper also..I can't remember.
      It's not a scripted thing at all...and MUCH still depends on the USER.

      M.K.
      Knight165
      I think a lot of people like the extra challenge this options. I have 2 buddies that would never thin of playing with this of. It;s great to have the sliders available.

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      • dbrandon
        Banned
        • Mar 2003
        • 1337

        #78
        Re: Show 09 Sliders

        Originally posted by delo2beatu
        Say it with me people... Release a patch or get working on one pronto. Anyone who thinks i'm wrong on this let me just say that I thought MLB 08 was the best game ever. I'm a huge baseball fan and like as much realism as possible in my video games. In 08' the show with Nems' sliders i had a .270 avg, during a full season, 5+ era, realistic HRs and Ks. Can anyone honestly say they are ready to start a season right now on 09' and get these type of results? Oh yeah.. I don't use guess pitch, strike zone, or the ball marker while pitching.

        The game looks great and does indeed have great additions but c'mon now, my biggest complaint is everyone pitches like CC. These pitchers paint the corners like crazy. Last game i counted 62 times they either painted an extreme corner or went extramly low center. 62 pitches like that and then factor in maybe 35-40 balls, hmmm WOW whats left 3-5 good hitable pitches. This game almost feels like HR derby. I can never manufacture any runs! Another complaint is errors. Very obvious errors are called hits almost every game with one of my games having 3 of them. This game needs help. 2 days in and i lower my 10 score to a 7. With a patch maybe a 10. FIX THE PITCHING SONY! I believe that is why so many people are have problems hitting. Oh yeah, lastly this game is NOTHING like the demo, which is a good thing but what were they trying to do... Trick us?
        LOL I play as KC believe me they don't paint the conners as you talk about, as far as HR's go I've had one. My record is 1-2. By fat the most realistic BB game I have ever played. Another funny thing is I have had 1 HR all my run are scored on singles doubles etc......

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        • rudyjuly2
          Cade Cunningham
          • Aug 2002
          • 14816

          #79
          Re: Show 09 Sliders

          Originally posted by dkrause1971
          I was thinking about this- wouldn't it be better to drop strike % and keep pitch control at default? that way if they are told to throw a ball they are accurate throwing a ball.

          Overall, i am in the same boat all of you are. I pitch well enough to be on all-star but hit pretty poor. Most of that is because the CPU either is not throwing enough balls or i have a hard time telling which are balls and which are strikes. I think the answer is in between (the cpu should throw more and i should have a better eye).

          Anyway- any tips on how to stay more disciplined or tell if its a ball more often? i especially struggle on the pitches below the strike zone.
          I haven't tried the strike percentage but I have been very happy with cpu control at 1 (almost at the bottom). I usually drop pitch speed all the way down to the bottom and that helps me determine balls and strikes better. Have you touched pitch speed at all?

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          • dkrause1971
            All Star
            • Aug 2005
            • 5176

            #80
            Re: Show 09 Sliders

            Originally posted by rudyjuly2
            I haven't tried the strike percentage but I have been very happy with cpu control at 1 (almost at the bottom). I usually drop pitch speed all the way down to the bottom and that helps me determine balls and strikes better. Have you touched pitch speed at all?
            You know i did touch pitch speed and was then swinging like a month early. I probably will have to drop it down and just adjust.
            I don't know if your like me but if your sitting on say a fastball. I tend to swing way too early and foul the heck out of it. Probably costs me at least a few solid hits a game. Another reason i didn't want to touch it was so a power pitcher would just be scary when i faced him.

            What kind of strike/ball ratios are you seeing with pitch control at 0-1? I am getting around 65% when i am pitching and around 70-80 when they are pitching.

            Here are the slider changes i made
            Global
            Fielding errors +2

            user
            Reliever Stam -1, I think they pitch too long otherwise
            Pitcher control -2

            CPU
            Reliever Stam -1, I think they pitch too long otherwise
            pitcher control -1
            Strike Frequency -3

            I guess i am freaked to drop sliders too much because of how russell described sliders in one of the threads of where dropping something to zero makes everyone the same as the worst player at that skill. But he didn't go into alot of detail so maybe i understood wrong.
            Last edited by dkrause1971; 03-05-2009, 09:30 AM.
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            • rudyjuly2
              Cade Cunningham
              • Aug 2002
              • 14816

              #81
              Re: Show 09 Sliders

              Originally posted by dkrause1971
              You know i did touch pitch speed and was then swinging like a month early. I probably will have to drop it down and just adjust.
              I don't know if your like me but if your sitting on say a fastball. I tend to swing way too early and foul the heck out of it. Probably costs me at least a few solid hits a game. Another reason i didn't want to touch it was so a power pitcher would just be scary when i faced him.

              What kind of strike/ball ratios are you seeing with pitch control at 0-1? I am getting around 65% when i am pitching and around 70-80 when they are pitching. This is with default control and i think -2 strike % for the CPU and control -2 for me.

              I've adjusted to the speed after plenty of demo games but still screw up hitting from time to time.

              With cpu pitch control, I think I'm seeing percentages very similar to yours. But they make more mistakes when pitching with control down and I need the occassional meat pitch because I'm a timing only guy (don't use analog stick when swinging). I'm a lousy hitter and need the boost.

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              • jmik58
                Staff Writer
                • Jan 2008
                • 2401

                #82
                Re: Show 09 Sliders

                Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                I've adjusted to the speed after plenty of demo games but still screw up hitting from time to time.

                With cpu pitch control, I think I'm seeing percentages very similar to yours. But they make more mistakes when pitching with control down and I need the occassional meat pitch because I'm a timing only guy (don't use analog stick when swinging). I'm a lousy hitter and need the boost.
                I lowered pitch speed and I still think it's difficult to catch up to serious heat on All-Star. I have Power bumped up 3 notches because I think the wall scraper home runs get old. Contact is bumped up 1 to help with check swings. Fielder reaction and speed needs to be damn near zeroed out (I have reaction at "0" and speed at "1"). Fielding errors needs to be bumped up as well. I think this may help with the angles that the defense takes to the ball as well ( I hope) ?

                The one I haven't touched yet is pitch control. I have an issue with the corner painting done by the CPU. When moved to the left, is everyone seeing a change in the corner painting? I don't want to mess with the # of strikes slider just yet because I'm not as concerned about that. I still get a few walks a game, but I think dropping control would help that as well.

                Just remember to work the counts as much as possible to tire pitchers and earn walks.

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                • mgoblue678
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 3371

                  #83
                  Re: Show 09 Sliders

                  Originally posted by jmik58
                  I lowered pitch speed and I still think it's difficult to catch up to serious heat on All-Star. I have Power bumped up 3 notches because I think the wall scraper home runs get old. Contact is bumped up 1 to help with check swings. Fielder reaction and speed needs to be damn near zeroed out (I have reaction at "0" and speed at "1"). Fielding errors needs to be bumped up as well. I think this may help with the angles that the defense takes to the ball as well ( I hope) ?

                  The one I haven't touched yet is pitch control. I have an issue with the corner painting done by the CPU. When moved to the left, is everyone seeing a change in the corner painting? I don't want to mess with the # of strikes slider just yet because I'm not as concerned about that. I still get a few walks a game, but I think dropping control would help that as well.

                  Just remember to work the counts as much as possible to tire pitchers and earn walks.
                  I disagree about fielder reaction needing to go down. Balls in the outfield that should drop and find gaps seem be doing to doing that along with plenty of hard hit ground balls/linedrives going through the infield. If anything I think it may need to go up a tad because some of the infielders escpially 3rd basemen on balls down the line seem to be reacting very late, almost when the ball is already even with them. There needs to be a couple more web gems down the line .

                  I agree about the fielding errors needing to go up along with throwing errors as well but I don't notice a problem with the angles being taken to the ball. Seems like pretty realistic angles to me.

                  I think maybe cpu pitch control needs go down as well but it is hard to tell consider I am swinging at too many balls. 50% of the strikes the CPU throws would be balls if I didn't do that. I honestly want to punch myself in the face for swinging at some of these pitches.
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                  • rudyjuly2
                    Cade Cunningham
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 14816

                    #84
                    Re: Show 09 Sliders

                    Originally posted by mgoblue678
                    I disagree about fielder reaction needing to go down.

                    I agree about the fielding errors needing to go up along with throwing errors as well but I don't notice a problem with the angles being taken to the ball. Seems like pretty realistic angles to me.
                    I'm with you. Fielder speed should be reduced but reaction might need to go up this year. I also agree that there just aren't enough fielding errors although I thought I was seeing too many throwing errors on default. I'm definitely not raising those yet.

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                    • pberardi
                      Pro
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 964

                      #85
                      Re: Show 09 Sliders

                      Last year's game resulted in too many opposite field hits due to timing issues. It appears after several games they may have overeached with the faster swing timing which indeed leads to alot of pulled balls in foul territory.

                      These foul balls are creating too many pitcher counts such as 0-2, 1-2 so far. Advantage CPU.

                      Last night I played two games and the strike to ball ratio seemed fine. However, I experienced far too few hitter counts and thus my strikeout totals were ridiculous.

                      I hope SCEA didn't replace "too many hits from 08" with too many strikeouts in 09. If that's the case and sliders don't help, I will drop this game and start up MLB 07 which is still the best game of the MLB series IMO.

                      Pitch recognition is tough this year and breaking pitches are very sharp and tough. I need to take the advice of waiting that tad split second with 2 strikes to see the movement better. I know there are walks somewhere in this game.

                      As for batting practice, it's great but it doesn't translate into the regular game. The timing and pitch speed in batting practice is spot on IMO. Then when I play an exhibition game or ST, I'm not the same hitter I was in BP.

                      Of course BP is easier but I'm not seeing the skill level being transferred, not yet anyway. I can layoff pitches out of the zone in BP. I struggle in a real game.

                      (I consider myself to be a very disciplined hitter who can draw walks)

                      Already, I'm lowering CPU pitch sliders to get into more hitter counts and to be able to see more balls to draw walks.

                      Fellas, we just need more time if you ask me. Too many of us know how to hit in this game after 3 or 4 years of playing it. Give it time, it will come.

                      I doubt 5 clicks to the left is going to solve our problems but I will be concentrating on lowering consistency and control. Pitch strike % description is similar to last year. Raising to the right may cause the cpu to pitch poorly? Don't be afraid to move right on this. We may indeed see more control issues.

                      The game tossed out the cpu pitcher aggressiveness slider this year. I always felt that slider was one of the core ones to get your style of play. One of these sliders; control, strike %, consistency or a combination will provide results. I feel it in my bones.

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                      • rudyjuly2
                        Cade Cunningham
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 14816

                        #86
                        Re: Show 09 Sliders

                        Originally posted by pberardi
                        I doubt 5 clicks to the left is going to solve our problems but I will be concentrating on lowering consistency and control. Pitch strike % description is similar to last year. Raising to the right may cause the cpu to pitch poorly? Don't be afraid to move right on this. We may indeed see more control issues.

                        The game tossed out the cpu pitcher aggressiveness slider this year. I always felt that slider was one of the core ones to get your style of play. One of these sliders; control, strike %, consistency or a combination will provide results. I feel it in my bones.
                        I think cpu pitcher aggressiveness will be related to strike % this year. I wouldn't reduce pitcher consistency too much though as that also affects the number of wild pitches. I do think that we will find a sweet spot for pitching with what we have. I'm pretty happy with what I've seen so far for my skills and tastes. I just need to fiddle with the contact sliders a little more before I start my season.

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                        • nemesis04
                          RIP Ty My Buddy
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 13530

                          #87
                          Re: Show 09 Sliders

                          Wow, a lot of slider talk already! Just keep playing guys, the way things were tuned for 09 you are going to need a pretty decent sample size of games to establish trends.
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                          • bellz666
                            Don Mattingly is God
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 1090

                            #88
                            Re: Show 09 Sliders

                            Originally posted by nemesis04
                            Wow, a lot of slider talk already! Just keep playing guys, the way things were tuned for 09 you are going to need a pretty decent sample size of games to establish trends.
                            Are you doing sliders this year Nem? So far, I like the game out of the box, but I've only played like three games...
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                            • The Bimmer
                              Far from perfect
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 1236

                              #89
                              Re: Show 09 Sliders

                              Originally posted by nemesis04
                              Wow, a lot of slider talk already! Just keep playing guys, the way things were tuned for 09 you are going to need a pretty decent sample size of games to establish trends.
                              I agree with this statement. I mean if you get shelled 13-1 and lower CPU power sliders because you think they are hitting to many homeruns, i dont think that is a fix, for example! Maybe practicing pitching is the answer.

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                              • nemesis04
                                RIP Ty My Buddy
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 13530

                                #90
                                Re: Show 09 Sliders

                                Originally posted by bellz666
                                Are you doing sliders this year Nem? So far, I like the game out of the box, but I've only played like three games...
                                To be honest I really have not decided yet. I am just not seeing radical changes being needed like past versions.
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