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  • rudyjuly2
    Cade Cunningham
    • Aug 2002
    • 14815

    #1

    MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

    I love sliders and talking about them so I figured I would post mine as well. I'm typically a good pitcher and lousy hitter. I found the pitch speed too fast in '08 and usually lower it all the way to the bottom since my eye just isn't good enough at default. This helps me actually draw walks if I'm trying to be patient. Better yet, I can turn on a fastball! Last year I couldn't pull a fastball without guessing which made me look foolish guessing at pitches way out of the zone. Even though with pitch speed at 0, a good fastball will fool you when you try to have an eye at the plate, particularly if a pitcher mixes in off speed stuff. I don't use Guess Pitch at all.

    A few common things I will point out before listing the sliders on All-Star. I think both the user and cpu have too good of pitch control on default (I use Classic which may be easier this year). I think outfielders are still too fast and get to balls in the corner preventing doubles when they should be doubles. I see very few fielding errors although the fielding error slider also seems to affect a defender's range and/or ability to make a play - even if there is no error (not 100% sure though). The other thing I feel strongly about is relief fatigue is too high (I've always felt that on every version of the Show) so I drop them down to 0.

    A few things I will have to look at as well are baserunner speed and fielder arm strength. I don't have a big issue with these although others like Blzer feel that runners are too slow and/or fielders arms are too strong. Either way I've left that for now.

    In terms of pitching, I really like to reduce control for the user to help induce user issued walks. But one of the best ways to produce walks is make the cpu offense a little more potent. If you are scared of them, you will nibble and issue walks to the good players. Giving in to good hitters will get you burned this year. I personally found the cpu paints corners too well on default. I'm a "timing only" swing guy so this really hurts me. Lowering the cpu pitch control really helps produce mistakes and allows me to smack them for extra bases. I also lower strike percentage which does cause the cpu to throw more first pitch balls. I use the Classic pitching method which may be easier this year. Meter is tough and I've read many people talk about too many passed balls. Raise human consistency to help reduce this.

    I think the power on hits off the bat is pretty good. I also haven't felt the need to adjust the Solid Hits slider although much of hitting is personal skill level and these things will have to be tweaked by the user. I'm a timing only guy so if you are good with the analog stick, you will find these too easy to hit and either not use them or have to tweak them.

    Most of my slider changes are very balanced since I find All-Star to be very balanced for my skill level. Changes I do to myself typically work well when also applied equally to the cpu. I also use auto base running since I hate having to do most of that stuff myself. I do manual field though. R2 diving is very tough this year. Stick to the R-stick in the field unless you are 100% certain you have to dive (then use R2).

    Since my ramble is so long, I'll post the sliders in the next post. I do expect these to change a little over time but for the moment I'm happy. I've played a ton of games on the demo (the hitting is quite a bit different from retail but the pitching seems similar) and 9+ games of the retail version so far.
    Last edited by rudyjuly2; 03-08-2009, 07:08 AM.
  • rudyjuly2
    Cade Cunningham
    • Aug 2002
    • 14815

    #2
    Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

    Settings and Personal Preference

    DIFFICULTY All-Star
    PITCHING Classic
    CONFIDENCE On
    API Off
    STRIKE ZONE Off
    BALL MARKER Fade
    GUESS PITCH No

    Default = 5. 0 = all the way to the left. 10 = all the way to the right.

    User
    Contact 6
    Power 5
    Timing 5
    Fouls 5
    Solid Hits 6
    Starter Stamina 7
    Reliever Stamina 1
    Pitcher Control 0
    Pitcher Consistency 5

    Note: If using meter, you may find pitcher control too low. Also, if you are seeing too many passed balls, raise pitcher consistency up.

    CPU
    Contact 5
    Power 5
    Timing 5
    Fouls 5
    Solid Hits 5
    Starter Stamina 5
    Reliever Stamina 0
    Pitcher Control 0
    Pitcher Consistency 5
    Strike Frequency 1
    Manager Hook 7
    Pickoffs 5

    Global
    Pitch Speed 0 (personal preference)
    Fielding Errors 5
    Throwing errors 5
    Fielder Run Speed 0
    Fielder Reaction 5
    Fielder arm strength 4
    Baserunner speed 5
    Baserunner Steal ability 5
    Baserunner Steal frequency 5
    Wind 5
    Injuries 5

    Note: Pitch speed is more personal preference. Injuries are much higher this year and I don't think we need to raise it. Still not sure about Arm Strength or Baserunner speed. I use auto running so I can't comment too much on some stuff.

    I believe the fielding error slider is broken. If you find user players just let balls go right by them, drop it some more.

    March 24th: After over 30 games, I'm going to drop cpu contact back to default. I'm just getting hit a bit too hard. I'm also going to boost human solid hits up to 6. That's because I suck at hitting.
    Last edited by rudyjuly2; 03-24-2009, 11:37 AM. Reason: Tweaks March 24th

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    • delo2beatu
      Banned
      • Sep 2008
      • 96

      #3
      Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

      I agree with you about pitch speed being a personal prefrence. What I believe your going to have trouble with is fielder speed being so low. If you notice the game moves a little quicker than last year so anything under 2 from default I believe your going to be frustrated and get many hits that should have been outs, esspecially for the CPU. I have mine set at -1 and truly think thats where it should be set at. Check my slider set and tell me what you think.

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      • rudyjuly2
        Cade Cunningham
        • Aug 2002
        • 14815

        #4
        Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

        I don't mind if the fielders are a little too slow on some hits. I just want to boost the extra base numbers a little.

        I believe the fielding error slider is broken. While it effects both cpu and user, it does it in a different way. It only appears to affect the cpu at first glance. Crank up the fielding errors to 10 and you will see the cpu bobble quite a few balls and make a nice amount of errors. You won't see human fielders make the same amount. What you do see is the balls just go through them. The fielding error slider seems to affect your ability to actually make plays rather than generate true errors.

        See this picture below. Inge has a ball go right through him in a crucial situation for me. Not only does he not make the play but no error is scored. This play really ticked me off but I'm seeing quite a bit of this. Balls just go through or right beside your defender if the fielding error slider is high. They actually bounce off the cpu for errors. Its something I saw a little bit of in the demo and I'm certainly seeing it in the retail version.

        Ball goes through Inge:


        Inge doesn't even make an attempt at the ball here (could be user error on this one but I'm not sure):

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        • Millennium
          Franchise Streamer
          • Aug 2002
          • 9889

          #5
          Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

          Rudy -

          Only thing I am really interested in is your walks. I have Pitch Control at 3 for both the CPU and the User, and nothing else, and have seen some. How have your walks been?

          BTW - still use your Heisman NCAA sliders in an OD
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          • Matt Diesel
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 1637

            #6
            Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

            Played a game with these. Fun. 2 of the lower end teams to start.

            * -Me
            R H E
            Nationals 4 11 2
            *Pirates 3 11 0

            Pitchers:
            Nats - 3BB 4k
            Bucs - 3BB 6k

            No HRs [A few close]
            Bucs 3 2B [1 was a ground rule]
            Nats 2 2B 1 3B 1 GIDP

            I probably could have score 5 runs if I didnt suck at base running.

            Im gonna try Red Soxs vs Pirates now and test great team vs bad team.
            Return of the Mack

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            • rudyjuly2
              Cade Cunningham
              • Aug 2002
              • 14815

              #7
              Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

              Originally posted by Millennium
              Rudy -

              Only thing I am really interested in is your walks. I have Pitch Control at 3 for both the CPU and the User, and nothing else, and have seen some. How have your walks been?

              BTW - still use your Heisman NCAA sliders in an OD
              I'm getting about 1 walk a game myself. But that's because I'm impatient at the plate. I should be getting more but I'm swinging at too much crap. I'm issuing about 2-3 walks a game on average. It depends on how willing you are to give in. Rios and Wells made me pay for avoiding walks early on so you can't just groove a pitch.

              I'm 5 games into my Tiger season with these and after five games I'm 3-2, have hit 6 HRs, opponents 5 HRs. I've seen plenty of doubles too. I think I'm batting just under .250 because I'm swinging at too much stuff out of the zone and trying to pull home runs too often. Toronto batted .297 against me in the first 4 games of the season but I won a nail biter 3-2 against the Rangers this morning. Magglio led off the 9th inning with a walk and Sheffield brought him home. I'll check my team stats tonight to double check the walk numbers.

              Because control is bottomed out, I think the only way to get more walks is to reduce consistency but I find it pretty good. If you drop consistency too much you will see too many hit batters or wild pitches. I've plunked a few coming inside and the cpu has hit Sheffield twice in my season. Only one other player has been plunked. Teams usually hit a batter once every 2.5 to 3 games so its pretty good (might be a tad high) but overall I'm very happy.

              Again though, these sliders fit my skill sets and tastes. If anyone struggles to hit and pitches well like I generally do on All-Star, these might work for them. I don't plan on changing anything at this point.

              Glad you liked the NCAA sliders. Still disappointed in the exclusion of the new QB ratings this year.

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              • rudyjuly2
                Cade Cunningham
                • Aug 2002
                • 14815

                #8
                Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                Originally posted by mddst34
                Played a game with these. Fun. 2 of the lower end teams to start.

                * -Me
                R H E
                Nationals 4 11 2
                *Pirates 3 11 0

                Pitchers:
                Nats - 3BB 4k
                Bucs - 3BB 6k

                No HRs [A few close]
                Bucs 3 2B [1 was a ground rule]
                Nats 2 2B 1 3B 1 GIDP

                I probably could have score 5 runs if I didnt suck at base running.

                Im gonna try Red Soxs vs Pirates now and test great team vs bad team.
                Those are some pretty decent numbers but its only one game. Hope you like the sliders or find some tweaks that work well for you over time.

                I'm really loving pulling home runs this year. If you turn on a bad pitch, you can crush them. Magglio has hit 3 of my 6 HRs and all three were to dead left field. Freaking Cabrera has only one hit through 5 games though (2 run HR to RF)! I'm pressing. Guillen has hit one HR - pulled to RF. I can't remember who hit my other HR but 4 of the 5 that I remember have been pulled. I never did this last year and at least Miggy shows power to all fields unlike Magglio. Magglio sprays hits all over the field but not HRs.

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                • chuckm1961
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 1429

                  #9
                  Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                  Looking forward to trying All-Star.

                  I was 0-6 on HOF as the Indians, with good pitching but no offense except the occasional home run.

                  I will start on All-Star today with these sliders. I'm gonna bump up CPU Contact, because I was getting outs pretty easily on HOF against the CPU.

                  Also will bump down my pitcher control to -5 .... on HOF last night, the Indians fifth starter threw 34 strikes on his first 37 pitches using Classic pitching!! And I was trying to miss a lot of the time. "Throw a freakin' ball," I was screaming at the game.
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                  • rudyjuly2
                    Cade Cunningham
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 14815

                    #10
                    Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                    Originally posted by chuckm1961
                    Also will bump down my pitcher control to -5 .... on HOF last night, the Indians fifth starter threw 34 strikes on his first 37 pitches using Classic pitching!! And I was trying to miss a lot of the time. "Throw a freakin' ball," I was screaming at the game.
                    I've got control bottomed out and use Classic Pitching. If you want worse control, you will have to drop user consistency as well but you shouldn't be able to paint corners as it is. I played a little on HOF last year just because the cpu couldn't hit well on All-Star but this game is much better in that department.

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                    • RaiderFan18
                      Rookie
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 58

                      #11
                      Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                      RudyJuly2,

                      Are you finding that the CPU hits a lot better this year on the All Star Level?

                      I have my pitch control at 0 and my pitcher consistency at 3 (2 below the midline)

                      Thanks.

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                      • rudyjuly2
                        Cade Cunningham
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 14815

                        #12
                        Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                        Originally posted by RaiderFan18
                        RudyJuly2,

                        Are you finding that the CPU hits a lot better this year on the All Star Level?

                        I have my pitch control at 0 and my pitcher consistency at 3 (2 below the midline)

                        Thanks.
                        Definitely. Last year on All-Star I had my control at 0 and I think I ended up maxing out the cpu contact to 20 and still wasn't quite happy with the cpu hitting. This year the cpu is more effective without touching the contact slider much at all. If I max out the contact slider for them, I get killed. I actually played a few games like this when I first got it and I got lit up for 11 and 14 runs in a couple games. I did pitch one decent game where I only gave up 5 runs but after that, I quickly brought the cpu contact back down closer to default. My profile ERA after 5 exhibition games was between 8 and 9 on All-Star lol.

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                        • RaiderFan18
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 58

                          #13
                          Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                          I have the CPU contact/timing and fouls slider at 6.

                          The CPU power slider is at 7.

                          I'm getting beat...But not by more than 2-3 runs.

                          It seems like I can't avoid that one big inning.

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                          • DJ
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 17756

                            #14
                            Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                            Rudy,
                            Nice sliders. I'm using pretty much the exact same settings on the PS2 version (also playing All-Star), with the only difference being I used meter pitching so my control is a little higher.
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                            • rudyjuly2
                              Cade Cunningham
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 14815

                              #15
                              Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                              Originally posted by Djwlfpack
                              Rudy,
                              Nice sliders. I'm using pretty much the exact same settings on the PS2 version (also playing All-Star), with the only difference being I used meter pitching so my control is a little higher.
                              Meter definitely seems much harder this year. I'd almost recommend that you add 5 points for control and consistency for meter users. Who knows but I was awful at the meter when I tried it.

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