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  • packmanuk
    MVP
    • Aug 2002
    • 1095

    #61
    Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

    Does Jackdog have sliders for hof ?

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    • rudyjuly2
      Cade Cunningham
      • Aug 2002
      • 14816

      #62
      Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

      Originally posted by packmanuk
      Does Jackdog have sliders for hof ?
      Don't know. Sorry. Try pm'ing him.

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      • The Chef
        Moderator
        • Sep 2003
        • 13684

        #63
        Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

        Originally posted by rudyjuly2
        I posted a poll asking if people are seeing enough fielding errors for the user. Please vote: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ng-errors.html .
        Well this is a tricky situation imo, I see guys commit errors at an alarming rate with this slider at 8 but the problem is they arent being recorded as errors. Kemp launches one over Hudson at second allowing the runners to advance and they ignore it completely without recording it as an error. I think the big problem is the way they score things in the game, obvious errors being ignored completely isnt right at all.
        http://www.twitch.tv/kitm9891

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        • packmanuk
          MVP
          • Aug 2002
          • 1095

          #64
          Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

          I only mentioned Jackdog's sliders because you said he was having a lot of success on HOF. So I thought he must have sliders. Sorry.

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          • rudyjuly2
            Cade Cunningham
            • Aug 2002
            • 14816

            #65
            Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

            The fielding in this game is just done poorly. I'm dropping the error sliders just back to default. Only other changes are to boost manager hook to 7 and drop fielder arm strength to 4.

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            • The Chef
              Moderator
              • Sep 2003
              • 13684

              #66
              Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

              Originally posted by rudyjuly2
              The fielding in this game is just done poorly. I'm dropping the error sliders just back to default. Only other changes are to boost manager hook to 7 and drop fielder arm strength to 4.
              Raising manager hook? Were you seeing times where the CPU was getting torched and not getting pulled from the game? So far in my limited testing Ive yet to see it, Jon Garland lasted 4.1 and was pulled since I was shelling him, Doug Davis owned me but ran out of gas in the 6th or 7th I believe, if anything Im starting to think that the SP Stamina slider for the CPU needs to be raised to 6, which is where its at for the user already.
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              • rudyjuly2
                Cade Cunningham
                • Aug 2002
                • 14816

                #67
                Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                Originally posted by The Chef
                Raising manager hook? Were you seeing times where the CPU was getting torched and not getting pulled from the game? So far in my limited testing Ive yet to see it, Jon Garland lasted 4.1 and was pulled since I was shelling him, Doug Davis owned me but ran out of gas in the 6th or 7th I believe, if anything Im starting to think that the SP Stamina slider for the CPU needs to be raised to 6, which is where its at for the user already.
                I saw a game where the cpu pitcher had already given up 6 runs, it was past the midpoint of the game, he was spent and they still left him in there. I thought that was really odd so I raised it. To be honest, a lot of guys on the boards here are doing that and after seeing this situation I figured I would just do the same.

                As for pitcher stamina, the starters might be a little low although I do think the user starter's stamina does tend to drain faster than the cpu. If anything I would boost both of them up one notch. How do you feel about human stamina at 6?

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                • The Chef
                  Moderator
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 13684

                  #68
                  Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                  Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                  I saw a game where the cpu pitcher had already given up 6 runs, it was past the midpoint of the game, he was spent and they still left him in there. I thought that was really odd so I raised it. To be honest, a lot of guys on the boards here are doing that and after seeing this situation I figured I would just do the same.

                  As for pitcher stamina, the starters might be a little low although I do think the user starter's stamina does tend to drain faster than the cpu. If anything I would boost both of them up one notch. How do you feel about human stamina at 6?
                  I have no problem with SP Stamina at 6 for the User as it allows me to work deep into the game if Im pitching a good game without having to worry that one 8 pitch battle with a guy will ruin my chance at a shutout/no hitter/perfect game.

                  Right now Im fairly set with everything other then CPU Pitcher Control, I have this at 0 but Im thinking of increasing it to 1 and seeing how it plays. The bullpen is really struggling for the CPU with hanging pitches so Im hoping something small like this might also improve their pitching overall while still allowing me to draw walks and formulate an offense with the situation calls for it.

                  I will probably raise the Manager Hook if I continue to hear feedback that calls for it. In my last game Brandon Webb was pitching well but they brought him out to pitch in the 7th with a slim 3-2 lead having thrown 100 pitches already, where, imo, they should have taken the guy out heading into the 7th with his pitch count that high already.
                  http://www.twitch.tv/kitm9891

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                  • The Chef
                    Moderator
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 13684

                    #69
                    Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                    Hey Rudy, I havent heard any new updates on how things are going with your sliders recently, so how are things looking? In my last game I was using the following changes...

                    USER
                    RP Stamina 0

                    CPU
                    RP Stamina 0
                    Pitcher Control 0
                    Strike Frequency 1
                    Pitcher Consistency 6

                    GLOBAL
                    Fielder Speed 0

                    Here are the pitching stats from that game, I was the Dodgers....

                    Matt Cain (5 1/3 IP, 4 ER on 6 Hits with 2 K's and 1 BB) 54/37 Strike/Ball Count with a 59% strike rate on pitches thrown by Cain.
                    Jeremy Affeldt (2/3 IP, 1 ER on 2 Hits with 0 K's and 0 BB's)
                    Jack Taschner (1 2/3 IP, 0 ER on 1 Hit with 3 K's and 1 BB)
                    Noah Lowry (1/3 IP, 0 ER on 0 Hits with 0 K's and 0 BB's)

                    Hiroki Kuroda (7 IP, 2 ER on 8 Hits with 5 K's and 0 BB's)
                    Corey Wade (1 IP, 0 ER on 1 Hit with 1 K and 0 BB's)
                    Jonathan Broxton (1 IP, 0 ER on 0 Hits with 2 K's and 0 BB's)

                    San Francisco went 9/34 (.265) from the plate while I went 9/33 (.273). One question that always comes to mind, are you doing most your offensive damage against the bullpen? Last game was a 1-1 tie before Manny drilled a 2-run HR off of Cain and after allowing another runner to reach they yanked him but the relievers just arent good enough imo. I couldnt muster much off of Cain going 6/23 (.261) off of him but the bullpen allowed me to go 3/10 (.300) after that which seems to be a normal occurance so far. I thought of raising Pitcher Control to 2 from 0 and see what happens but its tough considering its just the bullpen that is struggling, not the starters. Brandon Webb, Jake Peavy, Matt Cain and Doug Davis to an extent all pitched well against me so if Im raising Pitcher Control are these guys going to become superhuman? I certainly dont want that just so the bullpen will pitch well. Any feedback Rudy would be great since we play the sameway as each other as it pertains to the offensive side of things.

                    You and I are really close slider wise, I left my contact and the CPU's contact at default, havent raised the Manager Hook since I havent seen this as a problem yet and I lowered SP Stamina back to default as well.
                    http://www.twitch.tv/kitm9891

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                    • rudyjuly2
                      Cade Cunningham
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 14816

                      #70
                      Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                      I've been playing mainly with the Reds and am 3-8 after 11 games. (I am still 4-2 with the Tigers). I've struggled to both hit and pitch. I'm hitting the bullpen a little better but I still get some runs against the starters. Just not enough, particularly when I'm struggling from the mound.

                      I wrote down some team stats after 10 games with the Reds (still too early, I don't plan on making any more changes really unless I continue to suck after 25 games). I just think I'm in a little funk that I hope to get out of. I have seen one injury - a pre-game one to a starting pitcher who had to miss two days.

                      Overall my pitching staff through 10 games has a bloated 5.38 ERA, has given up 24 BB, struck out 70 batters, 87 IP, 104 Hits and allowed 11 HRs. Opponents have scored a total of 55 runs (52 earned) and my starters have only 2 quality starts in 10 games. Right handed hitters are hitting .331 against my staff!

                      My batters have only committed one error, have a .281 avg but due to five measly walks a pathetic .294 OBP. I have a .398 slg and a .691 OPS. All on the low side. Stolen 3 bases in 5 attempts. While I only have 5 BBs I have struck out 74 times! I have 20 doubles, no triples and 7 HRs. I've scored 37 runs on the year which needs to improve.

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                      • rudyjuly2
                        Cade Cunningham
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 14816

                        #71
                        Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                        I should say that I finally got an error - two throwing errors with one each in my last two games. Both costed me three unearned runs in each game and hurt bad. I guess the Show is trying to exact revenge against me for trashing the error system. That's ok. The fielding errors and scoring of them is still bad. They can't keep me quiet!

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                        • Millennium
                          Franchise Streamer
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 9889

                          #72
                          Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                          Chef (and Rudy)

                          I have it on good word that Strike Frequency doesn't affect walks, but early count balls/strike strategy, and Pitch Control affects more hanging pitches than throwing balls.

                          I also have it on good word that Pitch Consistency is the only slider you need to touch to get walks
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                          • HustlinOwl
                            All Star
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 9713

                            #73
                            Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                            Good to hear Millennium I have been using Rudy's sliders and actually won 2 straight games for the first time. Playing Exhibition games only and using the Reds every game.

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                            • The Chef
                              Moderator
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 13684

                              #74
                              Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                              Originally posted by Millennium
                              Chef (and Rudy)

                              I have it on good word that Strike Frequency doesn't affect walks, but early count balls/strike strategy, and Pitch Control affects more hanging pitches than throwing balls.

                              I also have it on good word that Pitch Consistency is the only slider you need to touch to get walks
                              Interesting but if I lower consistency then the CPU starts throwing more wild pitches and beaning more batters as well.

                              What you said about control is spot on, same with strike frequency but since Im a swing only player I cant afford to have the CPU doing nothing but pounding the corners or else Im in real trouble since I dont use the left stick at all. You saw my setup last page and Im tempted to raise the Pitch Control to 2 and see what happens as Im not hitting well against stud starters but Im killing the CPU's bullpen at an unreasonable rate right now.

                              With pitcher control at default its next to impossible to get hits without using the left stick, trust me Ive tried and damn near was no hit by Matt Cain thanks to his perfect control when behind in the count, and I cant hit using the left stick as Im just unable to identify pitch, location, move stick and swing so thats where Im at currently.
                              http://www.twitch.tv/kitm9891

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                              • rudyjuly2
                                Cade Cunningham
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 14816

                                #75
                                Re: MLB 09 All-Star Sliders for the bad hitter/good pitcher

                                Originally posted by The Chef
                                Interesting but if I lower consistency then the CPU starts throwing more wild pitches and beaning more batters as well.

                                What you said about control is spot on, same with strike frequency but since Im a swing only player I cant afford to have the CPU doing nothing but pounding the corners or else Im in real trouble since I dont use the left stick at all. You saw my setup last page and Im tempted to raise the Pitch Control to 2 and see what happens as Im not hitting well against stud starters but Im killing the CPU's bullpen at an unreasonable rate right now.

                                With pitcher control at default its next to impossible to get hits without using the left stick, trust me Ive tried and damn near was no hit by Matt Cain thanks to his perfect control when behind in the count, and I cant hit using the left stick as Im just unable to identify pitch, location, move stick and swing so thats where Im at currently.
                                Yeah, pitch consistency will lead to passed balls and beaned batters if lowered too much. Sort of pick your poison. And I definitely agree that swing only guys on All-Star need to lower cpu pitch control otherwise they paint corners and you just hit a few weak singles in a game.

                                I avoided the sweep at Houston and finished 1-3 in the series. I'm not sure which one of these two images is the series stats (can't see them at work). Feel free to let me know (heck I might not have grabbed the right one at all!). I'm just 4-9 and in the middle of a 13 day stretch with no days off. My pitching needs to improve or my bullpen will be toast.


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