Itbeme23 Sim Sliders - Veteran Hitting/A.S. Classic Pitching & OCD Accurate Strike %!

[tonyfire2001]

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Game 13: SEA W9-L3 Tex: W3-L9 (Playing as Seattle)
SEA: 12 17 0
TEX: 2 8 2

Win: R. Elias (1-1)
Loss: C. Lewis (0-1)


Starting Pitching:

R. Elias– 6 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 80 Pitches, 55 Strikes, 25 Balls, 45% First Pitch Strikes, 69% Overall Strikes

C. Lewis- 4 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 75 Pitches, 51 Strikes, 24 Balls, 65% First Pitch Strikes, 68% Overall Strikes

Team Pitching:

SEA: 9 K, 0 BB, 47% First Pitch Strikes, 69% Overall Strikes
TEX: 6 K, 2 BB, 57% First Pitch Strikes, 65% Overall Strikes

Team Batting:

TEX: 3 Extra Base Hits
2B: P. Fielder (2), D. Murphy (4)
3B: P. Fielder (1)
RBI: S. Choo (6), P. Fielder (10)

8 Hits/34 At-Bats - .235 BA

SEA: 6 Extra Base Hits
2B: K. Seager (4), R. Cano (3), M. Zunino (4)
3B: D. Ackley (3)
HR: R. Cano (4), J. Smoak (1)
RBI: K. Seager (7), R. Cano 4 (9), J. Smoak 4 (8), M. Zunino 2 (10),
A. Almonte (2)

17 Hits/44 At-Bats = .386 BA

ERRORS
TEX: (1)Rios missed play a fly ball and went over his head. (2) Choice missed play a ground ball in the outfield and bounced off his legs.

Everyone jump on the Mariner Express cause we just pulled in at Arlington. The offense continues to pound the ball against Colby Lewis how was just called up, but the big blow came against Hector Noesi (former Mariner) when he gave up 4 runs but still has a 0.00 era. No, they where not charged to Lewis, they were all unearned runs. That we play defense folks.
Still rolling on. Next game brings Martin Perez vs Blake Beavan (being called up to be the 5th starter) Stay tune to see if the Mariners continue this hot streak.

[kpeercy]

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I'm in the middle of playing my first game with these, but I have a couple of concerns. Baserunner speed is higher than armor and swords plus the fielder arm strength is lower. This looks like a double whammy and I have already seen guys beat balls out that they really had no business of beating.

[itbeme23]

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I'm in the middle of playing my first game with these, but I have a couple of concerns. Baserunner speed is higher than armor and swords plus the fielder arm strength is lower. This looks like a double whammy and I have already seen guys beat balls out that they really had no business of beating.

As I've stated multiple times in this thread, these sliders have been tested for over 100 games, +70 of them by me personally. I've never claimed to be trying to mirror Armor's sliders. For the most part, the core of my sliders, particularly hitting and pitching are VERY different from Armor's. So with that being said, if you feel more comfortable with Armor's sliders, feel free to use them. If I felt that Arm Strength and/or BR Speed were having an adverse affect on the set as a whole, I'd be the first one to make adjustments, trust me. Do I see the occasional infield hit? Yes. But it's usually by baserunners with exceptional speed, like Dee Gordon. If I saw A.J. Ellis or Jose Molina beating out infield dribblers, then I'd be concerned. Up to this point, I haven't seen that happen.

Sorry for being a bit brash, but it's prety frustrating when somebody comes into the thread after playing half a game, then points out some "concerns". Especially when I worked on and tested these for over a month. Again, not every set is for everybody. Feel free to use mine as a base, and tweak to your liking.

If not, you know where to find Armor's thread....

[kpeercy]

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As I've stated multiple times in this thread, these sliders have been tested for over 100 games, +70 of them by me personally. I've never claimed to be trying to mirror Armor's sliders. For the most part, the core of my sliders, particularly hitting and pitching are VERY different from Armor's. So with that being said, if you feel more comfortable with Armor's sliders, feel free to use them. If I felt that Arm Strength and/or BR Speed were having an adverse affect on the set as a whole, I'd be the first one to make adjustments, trust me. Do I see the occasional infield hit? Yes. But it's usually by baserunners with exceptional speed, like Dee Gordon. If I saw A.J. Ellis or Jose Molina beating out infield dribblers, then I'd be concerned. Up to this point, I haven't seen that happen.

Sorry for being a bit brash, but it's prety frustrating when somebody comes into the thread after playing half a game, then points out some "concerns". Especially when I worked on and tested these for over a month. Again, not every set is for everybody. Feel free to use mine as a base, and tweak to your liking.

If not, you know where to find Armor's thread....

Take it easy, tough guy. I was just commenting that the baserunner speed at five seems high to me and it seems even more so when you consider that the fielder arm strength is also a tad low.

[itbeme23]

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Take it easy, tough guy. I was just commenting that the baserunner speed at five seems high to me and it seems even more so when you consider that the fielder arm strength is also a tad low.

LOL. It's not about being a tough guy. It's a matter of frustration with somebody who's contributed nothing to the thread, played half a game, and said that he has "concerns" about Arm Strengh and Baserunner speed. Had you been a part of testing....even on the most minimal of levels (i.e. 5 games), and made that comment, maybe you would've gotten a different response.

I don't know how familiar you are with the slider creating and/or testing process, but it's very difficult to develop an idea of how an overall set plays based on 4 innings of ONE game. I think I can speak for all the slider set creators out there when I say that.

Again, I'll apologize for being brash, but not for the response itself.

[kpeercy]

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LOL. It's not about being a tough guy. It's a matter of frustration with somebody who's contributed nothing to the thread, played half a game, and said that he has "concerns" about Arm Strengh and Baserunner speed. Had you been a part of testing....even on the most minimal of levels (i.e. 5 games), and made that comment, maybe you would've gotten a different response.

I don't know how familiar you are with the slider creating and/or testing process, but it's very difficult to develop an idea of how an overall set plays based on 4 innings of ONE game. I think I can speak for all the slider set creators out there when I say that.

Again, I'll apologize for being brash, but not for the response itself.

Just to follow up, I'm playing with the Reds. The first game was a slugfest with 15 combined runs and 25 combined hits. I won on a walk off 2 run shot. As I said, I saw 3 infield hits that I don't think should've been hits. Medium speed guys beat out plays.

The second game was a duel with only 5 runs and 12 hits combined in 11 innings.

I still have concerns about baserunner speed. I'll monitor and adjust if I need to.

On a side note, auto baserunning is an absolute mess on this version. Thru 2 games, I've already been picked off twice. I was around 30 games into a season using Armor's sliders and I had probably been picked off 15 times. It's beyond ridiculous.

[tonyfire2001]

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Game 14: SEA W10-L3 Tex: W3-L10 (Playing as Seattle)
SEA: 2 8 1
TEX: 5 10 0

Win: M. Perez (2-1)
Loss: B. Beavan (0-1)
SV: J. Soria (3)

Starting Pitching:

B. Beavan– 4 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 73 Pitches, 50 Strikes, 23 Balls, 68% First Pitch Strikes, 68% Overall Strikes

M. Perez- 7 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 92 Pitches, 63 Strikes, 29 Balls, 63% First Pitch Strikes, 68% Overall Strikes

Team Pitching:

SEA: 4 K, 2 BB, 74% First Pitch Strikes, 69% Overall Strikes
TEX: 5 K, 1 BB, 62% First Pitch Strikes, 69% Overall Strikes

Team Batting:

TEX: 2 Extra Base Hits
2B: P. Fielder (3), S. Choo (8)
RBI: S. Choo (7), M. Moreland 4 (7)

10 Hits/32 At-Bats - .312 BA

SEA: 1 Extra Base Hits
2B: J. Smoak (7)
RBI: J. Smoak (10)

8 Hits/33 At-Bats = .242 BA

Error:
Sea: (1) M. Zunino over thrown first base but S. Romero picked up the ball from RF and gunned down Moreland at the plate, who was trying to score from First.

Happy Jackie Robinson Day!!!! Finally a pitcher for Texas was able to cool off the bats of Seattle and his name is not Yu Darvish....Amazingly M. Perez was able to bring his 5.83 era into this game cool off the bats. Beaven just called up from the minors to help out the pitching staff due to J. Paxon injury did not fair that well against the combination of Soo and Fielder the two new accusations of the year, but it was the bat of Moreland driving in 4 RBI to win the game for the Rangers.

Plus I think that a lot of the reasons my bat was cooled off was not cause I was being cocky (Have been killing the ball lately) or over aggressive at the plate (Playing catch up from the 3rd inning on). NO...NO....it was Itbeme being a Tough Guy and the base runners Being way to fast....That is the reason behind of it all....its not because these sliders are not just guidelines on what you should use and adjust to your strength and weakness...Nooooooo. It's the fear you instilled in me Itbeme to produce every game now....Just playing . Seriously Itbeme I would just take a quick look at the runner speed and Arm strength ...I had some close calls that I was begining to question but I wanted to give it some time thinking it was me or not.

But like you said you have spent days, now going into months, testing and enjoying where they are at so I would leave them and if they don't like them where they are at to go ahead and change them to their liking.

[itbeme23]

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Game 14: SEA W10-L3 Tex: W3-L10 (Playing as Seattle)
SEA: 2 8 1
TEX: 5 10 0

Win: M. Perez (2-1)
Loss: B. Beavan (0-1)
SV: J. Soria (3)

Starting Pitching:

B. Beavan– 4 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 73 Pitches, 50 Strikes, 23 Balls, 68% First Pitch Strikes, 68% Overall Strikes

M. Perez- 7 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 92 Pitches, 63 Strikes, 29 Balls, 63% First Pitch Strikes, 68% Overall Strikes

Team Pitching:

SEA: 4 K, 2 BB, 74% First Pitch Strikes, 69% Overall Strikes
TEX: 5 K, 1 BB, 62% First Pitch Strikes, 69% Overall Strikes

Team Batting:

TEX: 2 Extra Base Hits
2B: P. Fielder (3), S. Choo (8)
RBI: S. Choo (7), M. Moreland 4 (7)

10 Hits/32 At-Bats - .312 BA

SEA: 1 Extra Base Hits
2B: J. Smoak (7)
RBI: J. Smoak (10)

8 Hits/33 At-Bats = .242 BA

Error:
Sea: (1) M. Zunino over thrown first base but S. Romero picked up the ball from RF and gunned down Moreland at the plate, who was trying to score from First.

Happy Jackie Robinson Day!!!! Finally a pitcher for Texas was able to cool off the bats of Seattle and his name is not Yu Darvish....Amazingly M. Perez was able to bring his 5.83 era into this game cool off the bats. Beaven just called up from the minors to help out the pitching staff due to J. Paxon injury did not fair that well against the combination of Soo and Fielder the two new accusations of the year, but it was the bat of Moreland driving in 4 RBI to win the game for the Rangers.

Plus I think that a lot of the reasons my bat was cooled off was not cause I was being cocky (Have been killing the ball lately) or over aggressive at the plate (Playing catch up from the 3rd inning on). NO...NO....it was Itbeme being a Tough Guy and the base runners Being way to fast....That is the reason behind of it all....its not because these sliders are not just guidelines on what you should use and adjust to your strength and weakness...Nooooooo. It's the fear you instilled in me Itbeme to produce every game now....Just playing . Seriously Itbeme I would just take a quick look at the runner speed and Arm strength ...I had some close calls that I was begining to question but I wanted to give it some time thinking it was me or not.

But like you said you have spent days, now going into months, testing and enjoying where they are at so I would leave them and if they don't like them where they are at to go ahead and change them to their liking.

LOLOLOLOL. This might be the best post of the ENTIRE thread!!!

But seriously, if we need to look at base runner speed and fielder arm strength, then we'll do it. I've always had it in the back of my head, but I just couldn't really find a consistent reason to make changes to the sliders. While there will always be moments in sports games that kind of make you scratch your head, that head-scratching moment needs to happen on a CONSISTENT basis to warrant a slider change....at least that's how I've always approached slider making/adjusting.

Again, what should we be looking for? Slow players (a la the Molina brothers) beating out infield hits? Because I haven't seen that happened at all in my testing. "Average" speed players beating out infield hits? In that case, what's considered average? Seems pretty subjective. Too many bang-bang plays? How do we track that?

As far as fielder arm strength, it may been a little bit easier than base running, but still may be very subjective.

You guys let me know the plan, and we'll try to make it happen. However, what I am concerned about is getting into tweaking mode with these two sliders, and it having a negative affect on the set as a whole.

[itbeme23]

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Just to follow up, I'm playing with the Reds. The first game was a slugfest with 15 combined runs and 25 combined hits. I won on a walk off 2 run shot. As I said, I saw 3 infield hits that I don't think should've been hits. Medium speed guys beat out plays.

The second game was a duel with only 5 runs and 12 hits combined in 11 innings.

I still have concerns about baserunner speed. I'll monitor and adjust if I need to.

On a side note, auto baserunning is an absolute mess on this version. Thru 2 games, I've already been picked off twice. I was around 30 games into a season using Armor's sliders and I had probably been picked off 15 times. It's beyond ridiculous.

You're saying you saw three infield hits that you feel shouldn't have been hits? Who are the "medium speed" guys that beat them out? Again, to me, this is almost completely subjective. A lot has to do with where and how the ball was put in play, how/who it was fielded, etc. And where you think that it shouldn't happen, I may think that it was just a "out of the norm" type of play. That stuff happens in baseball, just like any sport. If it happens on a consistent basis, then it warrants a slider change. If it's a fluke, then it doesn't.

I'm considering bringing Baserunner Speed and Fielder Arm Strength both at 4 to see how it plays out. I really don't feel like there is enough evidence to warrant anything crazy as far as adjustments go. One click to each to start off, and I'll be sure to keep a conscious eye on them moving forward.

I don't use Auto Base Running, so I can't comment on that. I use Assisted baserunning, so I still have control of moving my own runners. Most of the time, it works to my advantage, but sometimes it comes back to bite me by costing me a run when I make a mistake. As far as stealing goes, the CPU is prone to pickoff the User at a higher rate than it should. You have to be very careful about taking that extra step when leading off, or else you WILL be picked off. Choose your spots, and don't get greedy.

[tonyfire2001]

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LOLOLOLOL. This might be the best post of the thread!!!

Thanks man i just had to lighten the mood it was getting all serious in here.

But seriously, if we need to look at base runner speed and fielder arm strength, then we'll do it. I've always had it in the back of my head, but I just couldn't really find a consistent reason to make changes to the sliders. While there will always be moments in sports games that kind of make you scratch your head, that head-scratching moment needs to happen on a CONSISTENT basis to warrant a slider change....at least that's how I've always approached slider making/adjusting.

Again, what should we be looking for? Slow players (a la the Molina brothers) beating out infield hits? Because I haven't seen that happened at all in my testing. "Average" speed players beating out infield hits? In that case, what's considered average? Seems pretty subjective. Too many bang-bang plays? How do we track that?

As far as fielder arm strength, it may been a little bit easier than base running, but still may be very subjective.

You guys let me know the plan, and we'll try to make it happen. However, what I am concerned about is getting into tweaking mode with these two sliders, and it having a negative affect on the set as a whole.

I will take a look at it on my end. I use auto base running and I will test them both at 4 to see what it is like. I've have seen a slow roll to the shortstop and Logan Morrison has beaten out the play at first. Jed lowrie was the ss. But like I said I will test it out and see what happens.

[itbeme23]

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Franchise Game #21 - Phillies (10-10) vs. Dodgers (12-8)
*I played the first game of this series a couple of nights ago, but was too tired to post stats. I got shut out 2-0.

PHI: 4 13 0
LAD: 0 7 2

Win: C. Lee
Loss: Z. Lee

Starting Pitching:

C. Lee - 9 IP, 7 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 121 Pitches, 81 Strikes, 40 Balls, 57% First Pitch Strikes, 67% Overall Strikes

Z. Lee - 4 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 85 Pitches, 56 Strikes, 29 Balls, 52% First Pitch Strikes, 66% Overall Strikes

Team Pitching:

PHI: 4 K, 1 BB, 57% First Pitch Strikes, 67% Overall Strikes
LAD: 10 K, 1 BB, 63% First Pitch Strikes, 70% Overall Strikes

Team Hitting:

PHI:
4 Extra Base Hits
2B: J. Nix (2), C. Utley (5), D. Brown 2 (9)
RBI: J. Nix (2), D. Brown 2 (13), T. Gwynn Jr. (4)
13 Hits/39 At-Bats = .333 BA

LAD:
2 Extra Base Hits
2B: J. Turner (1)
3B: A. Ethier (1)
7 Hits/34 At-Bats = .206 BA

Recap:

Dodgers call up Zach Lee as the long-term replacement for Hyun-Jin Ryu, since he's on the shelf for at least another 6 weeks with the groin tear. Kershaw is still another 3 weeks away from coming back, so the Dodgers are just trying to stabilize the rotation until then. Lee had an impressive major league debut, even though the Phillies were able to get his pitch count early. He was able to tight-rope out of danger during the first couple innings, when the Dodgers sloppy defense reared its ugly head. However, this game belonged to Cliff Lee, as he throws a complete-game shutout against the Dodgers punchless offense. The Dodgers have now been shut out twice in a row, after dropping the first 2 games of this four game series. And to top it off, the Phillies will activate Cole Hammels to start game 3.

[itbeme23]

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Franchise Game #22 - Phillies (11-10) vs. Dodgers (12-9)

PHI: 2 9 0
LAD: 3 8 0

Win: C. Withrow
Loss: J. Papelbon (Blown Save)

Starting Pitching:

C. Hamels - 6 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 79 Pitches, 53 Strikes, 26 Balls, 71% First Pitch Strikes, 67% Overall Strikes

P. Maholm - 6 IP, 9 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 97 Pitches, 63 Strikes, 34 Balls, 70% First Pitch Strikes, 65% Overall Strikes

Team Pitching:

PHI: 5 K, 2 BB, 60% First Pitch Strikes, 65% Overall Strikes
LAD: 7 K, 4 BB, 63% First Pitch Strikes, 62% Overall Strikes

Team Batting:

PHI:
0 Extra Base Hits
RBI: D. Brown (14), D. Ruf (6)
9 Hits/ 33 At-Bats = .273 BA

LAD:
0 Extra Base Hits
RBI: C. Crawford (8), Y. Puig (13), H. Ramirez (11)
8 Hits/31 At-Bats = .258 BA

***Write-up to follow on this one.....The game was too good not to!!!

[ultimatefighter]

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Col 1 4 1
SF 8 9 2

LP: J. Chacin - IP 4 H 8 R 8 ER 6 BB 4 K 2 ERA 7.88
First Pitch: 52% Total: 54%

WP: M. Bumgarner - IP 9 H 4 R 1 ER 0 BB 1 K 6
First Pitch: 66% Total: 74%

I lost the series to the White Sox 2-1... Im sitting at 4-7 right now and its been very frustrating. The Division already feels like its running away from me. Really the only bright spot I have right now is Cargo. Im finally starting to get some hits with Tulo...

C. Gonzalez - AVG .344 HR 3 RBI 9 SB 4 SLG% .750 OBP .462 OPS 1.212

I have 2 more games against the Giants and then have the Padres for 4 games. I dont know if my pitching is bad or its just the team or maybe both lol

Through 11 Games Average:

Hits: 5.6
Runs: 2.5

Hopefully things get better. I was forst in Walks but now am tied for 3rd. We're the worst in BA, Hits, and 29th in runs... T26th HR, 29th RBI, 29th Strikeouts, Last in Slugging% & also On Base%...

Assists T-2nd, Putouts 4th, ERA 6th.

[ultimatefighter]

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Ever since I was a little kid my favorite team has been the Yankees. I really like the Rockies but coming up with my second favorite has been tough, with the Rockies and the Blue Jays.

I just started a Blue Jays Franchise.

Game #1

Tor 2-4-0
TB 8-9-0

Toronto: J. Reyes - 3-4 2 Triples.

I struggled with RA Dickey, he's hard to pitch with.

Game #2

Tor 3-7-0
TB 1-7-0

Toronto: J. Reyes - 4-4 4 Stolen Bases

It's only the first 2 games but, Reyes at 7-8 with 2 Triples and 4 Stolen Bases so far Im really liking. Im trying to be more strategic, a few walks and too many strikeouts so far, but should pull it together.

[KBLover]

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Again, what should we be looking for? Slow players (a la the Molina brothers) beating out infield hits? Because I haven't seen that happened at all in my testing. "Average" speed players beating out infield hits? In that case, what's considered average? Seems pretty subjective. Too many bang-bang plays? How do we track that?

Perhaps the ratio of doubles to triples?

The big difference between a double and a triple is often speed and how strong the outfielder's arms are (especially in this game), especially if fielder speed is where you like it and if it doesn't hamper doubles, it's probably not an issue.

If I see too many triples over a consistent basis, and guys with 50-ish speed (or less) getting a lot of them, I think something is up. Once in a while - that's baseball, but if happens to where someone like Myers has 6 triples in two months - something is up.

I think triples are a good indicator because we know they are pretty much the rarest offensive play aside from an in-the-park HR. So we know we shouldn't see many. But we also should see more than none. If the good speed types (75+) have issues getting any, but yet are hitting balls deep into the gaps - it might be a sign that something might be up.

Triples also happen on pretty much one type of hit - a shot that either splits the OFers and goes to the wall or a similar well-hit ball. That takes out the craziness that can cause infield singles.

I haven't put in a ton of games with the sliders (I usually play on All-Star Hitting/HoF Pitching) but when either using a set as a base or dabbling with my own, I usually use doubles/triples as a criteria for outfield play and runner speed.