O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

[CubsWillRiseAgain]

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Honestly it will be a see how things progress. We just have a better system hopefully in place to get it out faster this year. But probably end of April is realistic

Thanks for the info man. Would be a bummer to wait a month to start franchise but i mean these OSFM rosters are so freaking stacked i can't imagine it being a smooth or quick proccess

[Willard76]

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Trust me as a guy who ends up most years not starting a franchise until we get the Hybrid perfected around August, 1 month isn't a bad wait. I will spend over 100 hours myself the first month just editing

[RyanLaFalce]

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Trust me as a guy who ends up most years not starting a franchise until we get the Hybrid perfected around August, 1 month isn't a bad wait. I will spend over 100 hours myself the first month just editing

I used to only use the normal OSFM, but this year I'm going hybrid. Love when people put the time and effort into stuff like this.

[mmorg]

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I was hoping you would volunteer again this year, any chance you can help again with the Hybrid as well?

I will put myself down as a tentative yes for now. But my major issue is my course load this semester. As long as the roster editing lines up with breaks in between tests and labs I should be able to knock out a bunch of stuff on a Friday or Saturday afternoon for the hybrid roster.

[1andonly]

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I think the prospects potentials are way too high. There were 14 prospects with A potential.

With 363 players at A or B potential, with that number sure to increase from all the high C potentials that means every team can have roughly 13 A or B potential players. EVERY TEAM can have 7 starting fielders, 4 starting pitchers, and 2 relievers all with A or B potential. So EVERY TEAM basically will be loaded beyond belief when these players fill in their potentials.

In MLB the show, they do a terrible job at keeping the balance of players who bust and those who succeed. Players succeed at a much higher rate than they fail. In many sims of a 5 year span with the 2014 OSFM rosters, an average of 82 of the top 100 prospects increased their POTENTIAL.

With so many prospects having such inflated potentials it makes it unrealistic. If someone has a generous 90 potential, but then plays well in a season they could very well go up to a 96+ potential after one season. Now after one good year in the minors at the age of 19, they will end up being one of the best players. Players potentials increase much more frequent and consistently than they fall. Also, young players will progress much more rapid because of age.

If you give someone like Buxton who has 97 potential, and instead move it down to like 94. Now with good play his potential will increase.

Here is another example of why such high potential is broke. If a player is 20 years old and 95 potential, but hits .260 with minimal HR's and RBI he will neither increase or decrease in potential but even with his lack luster performance he will continue to grow into one of the best players in baseball.

I say lower all the prospects potentials, and when they play good let them EARN a higher potential instead of just handing everyone a golden ticket to being the best.

I'm sure you guys have all seen it. After a few years every team is loaded and reserves and minor leaguers end up being 85+ overall rated guys.

Polanco, who has the 3rd highest potential among prospects (guess he really isn't one anymore but you get the point) hit .235 and over a 162 game average only had 13 HR's. Now based on his potential it says he is better than players like Pedroia, CarGo, Longoria etc. All of which are proven perennial all stars. He hasn't proven he can do anything in the majors, yet he is already destined to have a higher rating than these players? Sure he COULD, but anyone CAN do anything. Instead, lower his potential to say like 85 and let him increase his potential and become a star. If he bombs out fine, if not then all the better. The problem is giving him 95 potential to start means after a terrible year last year, he could have another terrible or even worse year and still progress +7 or +8 overall. Such rapid progression for someone who shows signs of not being able to play in the MLB (this is a scenario, I'm not ripping in Polanco, relax).

[Willard76]

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I think the prospects potentials are way too high. There were 14 prospects with A potential.

With 363 players at A or B potential, with that number sure to increase from all the high C potentials that means every team can have roughly 13 A or B potential players. EVERY TEAM can have 7 starting fielders, 4 starting pitchers, and 2 relievers all with A or B potential. So EVERY TEAM basically will be loaded beyond belief when these players fill in their potentials.

In MLB the show, they do a terrible job at keeping the balance of players who bust and those who succeed. Players succeed at a much higher rate than they fail. In many sims of a 5 year span with the 2014 OSFM rosters, an average of 82 of the top 100 prospects increased their POTENTIAL.

With so many prospects having such inflated potentials it makes it unrealistic. If someone has a generous 90 potential, but then plays well in a season they could very well go up to a 96+ potential after one season. Now after one good year in the minors at the age of 19, they will end up being one of the best players. Players potentials increase much more frequent and consistently than they fall. Also, young players will progress much more rapid because of age.

If you give someone like Buxton who has 97 potential, and instead move it down to like 94. Now with good play his potential will increase.

Here is another example of why such high potential is broke. If a player is 20 years old and 95 potential, but hits .260 with minimal HR's and RBI he will neither increase or decrease in potential but even with his lack luster performance he will continue to grow into one of the best players in baseball.

I say lower all the prospects potentials, and when they play good let them EARN a higher potential instead of just handing everyone a golden ticket to being the best.

I'm sure you guys have all seen it. After a few years every team is loaded and reserves and minor leaguers end up being 85+ overall rated guys.

Polanco, who has the 3rd highest potential among prospects (guess he really isn't one anymore but you get the point) hit .235 and over a 162 game average only had 13 HR's. Now based on his potential it says he is better than players like Pedroia, CarGo, Longoria etc. All of which are proven perennial all stars. He hasn't proven he can do anything in the majors, yet he is already destined to have a higher rating than these players? Sure he COULD, but anyone CAN do anything. Instead, lower his potential to say like 85 and let him increase his potential and become a star. If he bombs out fine, if not then all the better. The problem is giving him 95 potential to start means after a terrible year last year, he could have another terrible or even worse year and still progress +7 or +8 overall. Such rapid progression for someone who shows signs of not being able to play in the MLB (this is a scenario, I'm not ripping in Polanco, relax).

Are you basing this off our spreadsheet or what you saw in the game? I agree that prospects get overrated in general whether in this game or real life. Internet has brought prospects into everyone's vision and every fan seems to overvalue their teams minor league players.

I was going to actually post this picture before I read this post to illustrate my own point about prospects. This is the last 4 years of the Reds top 10 prospects. Some were huge, some were complete busts and some turned out to be average players.


Now that said, if there is a lack of higher end prospects in the game, the draft will add them the next year. We have a chart posted a few pages back for guys to reference where to rate a guy and we will look over all teams and adjust if needed before the roster comes out.

[authentic]

O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

In my opinion we've always created too many A prospects. Each farm system should have 1-2 tops. I even feel like that is pushing it. Sure thing prospects should be A's, not just guys with high upside that are hit or miss.


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[RyanLaFalce]

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Will some Single-A players be created?

[Willard76]

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In my opinion we've always created too many A prospects. Each farm system should have 1-2 tops. I even feel like that is pushing it. Sure thing prospects should be A's, not just guys with high upside that are hit or miss.


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I agree 100%. If guys follow the chart I put up that should realistically lower the number of A's and create more B's and C's.

An 90-95 is a perennial All Star or Ace Starter, 95-99 should be reserved for HOF bound players. Kris Bryant for instance should be around 94,95 potential, but right now I would have his Overall somewhere in the 70s.

Realistically the OSFM should be the AAA team, majority of the AA team and a handful of lower level prospects- especially with the new progression system that was talked about last week.

Will some Single-A players be created?

See above.

[Willard76]

O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

The Last Couple of years we have used this guide for Potentials as well as measuring where a player should be rated Overall - that said positional ratings do affect Overall as well so please keep that in mind. For instance if you are creating a 3b or 1b who hits for more Average than Power his Overall will be lower but that doesn't necessarily mean he needs a bump up.

95-99 - Superstar player, Future HOF player
90-94 - Perennial All Star, Bottom End Superstar - a true Ace or top 2/3 player, some Closers but not all
85-89 - semi Regular All Stars, Could be a #1 starter on most teams, most Closers and high end Set up guys
80-84 - sometimes All Star/Everyday player on any team, 2/3 Starters, low end Closers and most set ups guys
75-79 - Everyday player on most teams/high end Bench players, most 3/4 starters, low end set up or very good relievers
70-74 - Bench Players/on the cusp minor league players or AAAA players, 4/5 starters, average relievers
65-69 - AAAA players or career AAA players
60-64 - AAA or good AA players
55-59 - AA or high A
50-54 - High A quality which includes good Short Season A players
45-49 - high school draftees

Also no minor league hitter should have a clutch rating above 45, most should be 35 ish unless they are on the cusp of making it.

For those who missed it, this should be the guide you use for both potential and where a player ends up Overall right now.

So a guy who is currently going to be in AAA should not be higher than what he would end up depth wise on a upper tier club. No higher than a 79 Overall regardless of positional weights.

We will be starting a new thread in coming days with ratings info.

Willard

[Willard76]

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Guys, please find attached the current working chart for this year's volunteers for the OSFM. Please PM Teeds, myself or Ridin if we missed you or you want to help out.

Thanks

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...p=docslist_api

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

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In my opinion we've always created too many A prospects. Each farm system should have 1-2 tops. I even feel like that is pushing it. Sure thing prospects should be A's, not just guys with high upside that are hit or miss.


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I agree 100%. If guys follow the chart I put up that should realistically lower the number of A's and create more B's and C's.

An 90-95 is a perennial All Star or Ace Starter, 95-99 should be reserved for HOF bound players. Kris Bryant for instance should be around 94,95 potential, but right now I would have his Overall somewhere in the 70s.

Realistically the OSFM should be the AAA team, majority of the AA team and a handful of lower level prospects- especially with the new progression system that was talked about last week.




See above.

Great posts. I would even go one step further and say that some teams don't deserve any A-grade players.

Guys, please find attached the current working chart for this year's volunteers for the OSFM. Please PM Teeds, myself or Ridin if we missed you or you want to help out.

Thanks

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...p=docslist_api

I think you need to grant permission. I can't view it for some reason.

[teeds]

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I think you need to grant permission. I can't view it for some reason.

should work now

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Great posts. I would even go one step further and say that some teams don't deserve any A-grade players.

like CWS?

At 14 A's we're already at ~0.5 A prospects per team. Not as big of an issue as some might believe, imo

[rjviking11]

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Willard, just sent you a PM I'll take care of the mets how many players per team do you want?