O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

[Willard76]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

I agree with this. Everyone including myself, even when trying to remain unbiased will overrate their prospects/players. I agree with the potneial vs overall thing as well. You don't want a bunch of 23 year olds who are 90 overall. They should be around mid 70s maybe low 80s.











My guide would go like this for potential.



90-94 - Superstar player.



85-89 - Perennial All Star, Bottom End Superstar - a true Ace or top 2/3 player, some Closers but not all



80-84 - semi Regular All Stars, Could be a #1 starter on most teams, most Closers and high end Set up guys



75-79 - sometimes All Star/Everyday player on any team, 2/3 Starters, low end Closers and most set ups guys



70-74 - Everyday player on most teams/high end Bench players, most 3/4 starters, low end set up or very good relievers. 4/5 starters, average relievers.



65-69 - Bench Players/on the cusp minor league players or AAAA players.

I do have to ask, on your future sims, which roster are you using, because the consensus of the Hybrid was we rate lower than some would like and I honestly have not seen many players jump higher than they should.

The OSFM roster with no edits I will agree with you on

[RidinDwnKingsley]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

Why are we making this more difficult than it has to be? Do it the way we have always done it and we tweak when and where we need..... Its not an exact science and no ones an expert.


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[WaitTilNextYear]

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I do not agree that that statement is inaccurate. I have done many simulations over a 5-7 year span in MLB the Show 14. From my experience when prospects have such high potentials there are way too many players with such high ratings. The amount of prospects with certain potentials is about the same this year so the same problem will 100% occur. Players who regress do not even come close to outweighing the hordes of players progress. However, when I reduce their potentials about 10-15% then I started seeing that there was a large variety of players with all ratings

I think you've been overstating your case, honestly. If I sim, I just don't see the same results that you've stated. Some POTs go up, some go down, some don't change. It's not a huge wave of every prospect's POT increasing by 3-6+ points. That just doesn't happen; although I would be interested to see your data in another thread.

It's true that the OVRs inflate as the game progresses, but you should blame that on SCEA created draftees. OSFM players contribute little to what you're seeing 5-10 years out. In < 5 years, things are actually quite well under control statistically speaking and ratings-wise. Who would argue that Buxton could not be an 85 OVR (fringe all star) 3-4 years into his career? Because that's what happens; it's not like 90+ POT guys immediately leap to 99 OVR after 1 or 2 years. By the time these guys reach their ceiling (the highest rated prospects are low 70s OVR to begin with), they're at a peak age of 25-28 y/o and guys like Pedroia and other 90+ rated guys are declining and some are retiring.

Finally, and I can't stress this enough, OVR ratings have very little to do with how players play. Even as a highly rated OVR, it's not like guys are 50 HR 150 RBI roid monsters. Different positions weight their OVRs differently, and if I were you, I'd be much more concerned with future sim stats balancing and players playing true to projection than obsessing over there being (or not being) a neat and tidy distribution of (mostly useless) OVR ratings. If guys like Buxton are hitting .375 with 55 HRs, THEN we have an issue.

[RidinDwnKingsley]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

Like I have said before in years past.... If you are an "expert" and can do it better feel free to spend the 150 hours on the project alone and let us know how it works out. Best of luck to you. Hope you wrap it up before the summers over.

Hate to put it like that but the people who have worked on this and will work on this invest 100's of hours and every year someone has " a better way" ..... Go for it dude or dudettes have at it. Ill continue to work on the OSFM as we have planned and as we always do.


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[1andonly]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

Like I have said before in years past.... If you are an "expert" and can do it better feel free to spend the 150 hours on the project alone and let us know how it works out. Best of luck to you. Hope you wrap it up before the summers over.

Hate to put it like that but the people who have worked on this and will work on this invest 100's of hours and every year someone has " a better way" ..... Go for it dude or dudettes have at it. Ill continue to work on the OSFM as we have planned and as we always do.


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I really do not appreciate this as it is rude and condescending for no reason. It was clearly aimed at me and I have said nothing negative, but quite the opposite and have only praised those who put in the time for this.

There is absolutely no reason to be rude and disrespectful when I have been entirely grateful and respectful.

Unbelievable.

[ShowTyme15]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

These Athletes wear Mizuno brands. I also know Bryan LaHair of the Red Sox also wears Mizuno.

http://www.mizunousa.com/baseball/athletes

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[1andonly]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

I think you've been overstating your case, honestly. If I sim, I just don't see the same results that you've stated. Some POTs go up, some go down, some don't change. It's not a huge wave of every prospect's POT increasing by 3-6+ points. That just doesn't happen; although I would be interested to see your data in another thread.

So these results are using the OSFM Hybridv3 roster and is at the beginning of 2019.

These are the prospects (not including already players like Trout, Kewshaw etc) that have a 97-99 potential.

1. Carlos Correa OVR: 96 AGE: 24
2. Jon gray OVR: 95 AGE: 27
3. Kyle Zimmer OVR: 93 AGE: 27
4. Byron Buxton OVR: 93 AGE 25
5. Robert Stephenson OVR: 92 AGE: 26
6. Tyler Glasnow OVR: 87. AGE: 25
7. Corey Seager OVR: 88. AGE: 25
8. Julio Urias OVR: 93 AGE: 23
9. Lucas Giolito OVR: 88 AGE: 24
10. Aaron Sanchez OVR: 95 AGE: 26
11. Francisco Lindor OVR: 96 AGE: 25
12. Addison Russel OVR: 97 AGE: 25
13. Andrew Heaney OVR: 91 AGE: 28
14. Braden Shipley OVR 87 AGE: 27

This just seems like too much to me. I know you said OVR doesn't mean much but their attributes are high in areas that matter as well.

[Willard76]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

So these results are using the OSFM Hybridv3 roster and is at the beginning of 2019.



These are the prospects (not including already players like Trout, Kewshaw etc) that have a 97-99 potential.



1. Carlos Correa OVR: 96 AGE: 24

2. Jon gray OVR: 95 AGE: 27

3. Kyle Zimmer OVR: 93 AGE: 27

4. Byron Buxton OVR: 93 AGE 25

5. Robert Stephenson OVR: 92 AGE: 26

6. Tyler Glasnow OVR: 87. AGE: 25

7. Corey Seager OVR: 88. AGE: 25

8. Julio Urias OVR: 93 AGE: 23

9. Lucas Giolito OVR: 88 AGE: 24

10. Aaron Sanchez OVR: 95 AGE: 26

11. Francisco Lindor OVR: 96 AGE: 25

12. Addison Russel OVR: 97 AGE: 25

13. Andrew Heaney OVR: 91 AGE: 28

14. Braden Shipley OVR 87 AGE: 27



This just seems like too much to me. I know you said OVR doesn't mean much but their attributes are high in areas that matter as well.

This is a much better way of presenting info instead of writing several posts basically doing what feels like slamming the system whether you meant to or not. Now we have a list that will give us some info. I don't want to get into a prospect debate on this thread - it is not the purpose of it.

What I will ask is what do the draft picks potentials end up looking like as well as retired players, because all of this is tied to potential.

Also we will need to test out potential once this year's game comes out because of the new progression system - but now we at least have info instead or arguing back and for about ideas.

[RidinDwnKingsley]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

I really do not appreciate this as it is rude and condescending for no reason. It was clearly aimed at me and I have said nothing negative, but quite the opposite and have only praised those who put in the time for this.



There is absolutely no reason to be rude and disrespectful when I have been entirely grateful and respectful.



Unbelievable.

No it was not intended for anyone in particular. Just for the group that are complaining. If you feel it was directed towards you so be it, but to be honest I never even read a whole post of yours. Have a good night.


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[1andonly]

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This is a much better way of presenting info instead of writing several posts basically doing what feels like slamming the system whether you meant to or not. Now we have a list that will give us some info. I don't want to get into a prospect debate on this thread - it is not the purpose of it.

What I will ask is what do the draft picks potentials end up looking like as well as retired players, because all of this is tied to potential.

Also we will need to test out potential once this year's game comes out because of the new progression system - but now we at least have info instead or arguing back and for about ideas.

I did not mean to "slam" the system. I was just giving a different point of view to prospect ratings from my own personal experience and what I view as a problem and how I went about correcting it.

So as far as retired players and age at the end of the 2019 season look like this.

26 years and under ratings
99, 99, 99, 9897, 96, 91, 91, 90. These are all players with 99 potential and 26 years old and under.

This next list is number of players in general at 90 OVR or above.
- 113 players at 90 OVR or above.
- Out of those 113 players only 38 are above 30 years old with only 21 of those being 33 or older.

No it was not intended for anyone in particular. Just for the group that are complaining. If you feel it was directed towards you so be it, but to be honest I never even read a whole post of yours. Have a good night.

I don't see anyone complaining, so I still think you aimed it at me which is incredibly out of line. Don't be rude to people just because they are giving different input. It is incredibly disrespectful.

[Willard76]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

I did not mean to "slam" the system. I was just giving a different point of view to prospect ratings from my own personal experience and what I view as a problem and how I went about correcting it.



So as far as retired players and age at the end of the 2019 season look like this.



26 years and under ratings

99, 99, 99, 9897, 96, 91, 91, 90. These are all players with 99 potential and 26 years old and under.



This next list is number of players in general at 90 OVR or above.

- 113 players at 90 OVR or above.

- Out of those 113 players only 38 are above 30 years old with only 21 of those being 33 or older.









I don't see anyone complaining, so I still think you aimed it at me which is incredibly out of line. Don't be rude to people just because they are giving different input. It is incredibly disrespectful.

Ok. You have made some valid points. What I can promise you is we will take an in depth look at the entire roster before it is released as a team. Let's leave the potential debate aside until we find out more in depth how progression works this year.

[nola2728]

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As well, Teeds is currently working on a spreadsheet to use for ratings based off Steamer and Oliver prospect projections. While these may not give perfect ratings they give fairly accurate bases. We are also looking right now at the ratings tables Knight has always provided to see if they need some tweaks. We found last year the pitching and some hitting ratings values had changed a bit

I was able to find the 2015 streamer projections on fangraphs but I cannot locate the 2015 oliver projections any where? Does anyone know where the 2015 oliver projections can be located?

[Willard76]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

I was able to find the 2015 streamer projections on fangraphs but I cannot locate the 2015 oliver projections any where? Does anyone know where the 2015 oliver projections can be located?

They haven't been released yet.

[Willard76]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

A note about service time

Please wait until at least the first update to create players with Service Time needed and we can find players with appropriate matches.

We don't want to have you waste your time creating someone only to have to replace them. On the spreadsheet any player with Service time beside them we do not expect to be in the game and will need to be created. I along with Motown have been working hard to get those faces done to copy over.

[Houston]

Re: O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

A note about service time

Please wait until at least the first update to create players with Service Time needed and we can find players with appropriate matches.

We don't want to have you waste your time creating someone only to have to replace them. On the spreadsheet any player with Service time beside them we do not expect to be in the game and will need to be created. I along with Motown have been working hard to get those faces done to copy over.

I will have a list of editable players with service time as I do every year I will pass along.

This is just an example from what I had on MLB 14.

P Ryan Rowland-Smith - 3.079
P Evan Meek - 3.072
2B Jonathan Schoop - 0.027
CF Grady Sizemore - 8.056
LF Ryan Kalish - 2.033
3B Mike Olt - 0.063
P Brian Schlitter - 1.039
P Trevor Bell - 1.124
CF Nyjer Morgan - 3.120
3B Ian Stewart - 4.088
3B Chone Figgins - 9.145
3B Casey McGehee - 4.028
SS Jason Bartlett - 7.053
CF Tony Gwynn Jr. - 4.171
LF Xavier Nady - 9.037
P Joe Beimel - 9.018
P Chris R. Young - 7.162
2B Brandon Hicks - 1.022
LF Brandon Guyer - 1.066
P Daniel McCutchen - 2.010
P Drew Hutchison - 1.128
3B Kevin Kouzmanoff - 4.137
RF Bobby Abreu - 14.165
P Juan Carlos Oviedo - 7.009
P Aaron Poreda - 0.048
P Bruce Billings - 0.018
P Christopher Leroux - 2.030
P Nick Masset - 6.146
2B Steven Tolleson - 0.161
P Randy Wolf - 13.115
P Casey Coleman - 1.044
1B Nick Evans - 1.128
P Blaine Boyer - 4.130
C Ali Solis - 0.030
C Eli Whiteside - 3.066
P Buddy Carlyle - 3.083
P Dana Eveland - 3.008
P Jason Lane - 4.049
LF Jerry Sands - 0.094
P Yoslan Herrera - 0.032
1B Brad Snyder - 0.078
P Bobby Korecky - 0.091
P Brad A. Mills - 0.088
1B Clint Robinson - 0.007
SS Andres Blanco - 3.087 2.087
2B Brooks Conrad - 3.002
SP Tsuyoshi Wada - 1.076
2B Kristopher Negron - 0.047
1B Matt Hague - 0.054
RP Ryan Feierabend - Should be 1.135

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IN FREE AGENTS:

CF Derrick Robinson - 0.160
SP Simon Castro - 0.016
RP J.C. Ramirez - 0.080

PREVIOUS SCEA ROSTER SERVICE TIME PLAYERS:

P Joe Beimel - 11.018
P Chris R. Young - 7.045
RF Bobby Abreu - 15.147
P Dana Eveland - 3.081
CF Nyjer Morgan - 4.120
CF Tony Gwynn Jr. - 3.044

EXTRAS:

LF Jeremy Moore on OSFM v3 PITCH EDITS has 0.009
FAKE PLAYER Fisher Asuncion - 0.033