O.S.F.M. 2015 Recruiting(joint ops with Hybrid Set)

[Willard76]

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Willard, just sent you a PM I'll take care of the mets how many players per team do you want?

Ideally 100-105, so 10 to 15 extras to cover for released or trades. We need 90 for release

[CaseIH]

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In my opinion we've always created too many A prospects. Each farm system should have 1-2 tops. I even feel like that is pushing it. Sure thing prospects should be A's, not just guys with high upside that are hit or miss.


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Hate to agree with a Cubs fan, but I agree 100% with you,lol. And a few teams shouldn't have any A prospects.

[1andonly]

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Are you basing this off our spreadsheet or what you saw in the game? I agree that prospects get overrated in general whether in this game or real life. Internet has brought prospects into everyone's vision and every fan seems to overvalue their teams minor league players.

I was going to actually post this picture before I read this post to illustrate my own point about prospects. This is the last 4 years of the Reds top 10 prospects. Some were huge, some were complete busts and some turned out to be average players.


Now that said, if there is a lack of higher end prospects in the game, the draft will add them the next year. We have a chart posted a few pages back for guys to reference where to rate a guy and we will look over all teams and adjust if needed before the roster comes out.

I am basing this off what I saw in the game and I see the problem returning based on the spreadsheet as of now. All the prospects potentials need to go down about 10%. Across the board. Keep their number as far as where they rank among prospects but lower their potentials.

For those who missed it, this should be the guide you use for both potential and where a player ends up Overall right now.

So a guy who is currently going to be in AAA should not be higher than what he would end up depth wise on a upper tier club. No higher than a 79 Overall regardless of positional weights.

We will be starting a new thread in coming days with ratings info.

Willard

The problem I have with this is that players in MLB the show increase in potential much more than they should, so I think a superstar player should be around a 92 potential, and if he truly is a superstar player then he will increase his potential to where it belongs. The same goes to every tier of potential.

[Willard76]

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I am basing this off what I saw in the game and I see the problem returning based on the spreadsheet as of now. All the prospects potentials need to go down about 10%. Across the board. Keep their number as far as where they rank among prospects but lower their potentials.







The problem I have with this is that players in MLB the show increase in potential much more than they should, so I think a superstar player should be around a 92 potential, and if he truly is a superstar player then he will increase his potential to where it belongs. The same goes to every tier of potential.

Your points are very valid, but making a general statement such as "All the prospects potentials need to go down about 10%. Across the board." is also inaccurate.

The rating system in the game is currently being looked at by Seanjeezy, as well you need to realize the draft will compensate for lack of high potentials and create to many high potential picks. You are also not taking into consideration the number of players who regress. Older guys like RA Dickey need to be a 99 or they will be garbage by the end of the first season

I agree with the point that no prospect potential should be above 94 and have stated so in this thread. But saying the whole roster needs a downgrade is off base.

We will be creating a new thread to discuss ratings and specific players who need to be looked at. Once we do please feel free to post in that with specifics from the spreadsheet with a valuable argument as to why a change is needed.

Willard

[rjviking11]

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Ideally 100-105, so 10 to 15 extras to cover for released or trades. We need 90 for release

Sorry but Im a Little confused with how you wrote that, so for my initial release do you want me to have the Mets organization at 90 or 100-105 players

[Willard76]

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Sorry but Im a Little confused with how you wrote that, so for my initial release do you want me to have the Mets organization at 90 or 100-105 players

We need a 90 player roster when you send it to us, but we are asking guys to create another 10-15 players as replacements for trades or waiver claims etc. I will have what I call an extras roster to pull from for updates through the year.

[rjviking11]

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We need a 90 player roster when you send it to us, but we are asking guys to create another 10-15 players as replacements for trades or waiver claims etc. I will have what I call an extras roster to pull from for updates through the year.

So 90 players when I send it in and 10-15 more players sometime after. Do I have that correct?

[seanjeezy]

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65 or above is an A prospect in the show, there are roughly 10 of those guys a year, with maybe a handful of 70+ at best (usually just 1-3). 60's are B+/B, there are usually around 20-30. 55's are B/B-, about 40-50. 50's are B-/C+, around 60-70.

Right now the surefire A's are (in no particular order):

Buxton
Bryant
Correa
Seager
Giolito
Urias
Russell

These are the consensus 65+, guys like Syndergaard, Gallo, etc. are 65's on some lists and 60's on others so I'd have to look at how they rate out.

I'm curious to see how Russell rates out. While he doesn't have any standout tools, being above average across the board usually results in a high overall.

For the Mariners I plan on having 3 B+ and maybe 5-8 B/B- types. We have a lot of C depth this year.

Edit:

Forgot to mention that the approximations above pertains to real life numbers, in the show there are quite a few more B-/C+

[og236]

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Idk if this has been answered in this thread, but will there be a OSFM/Hybrid set without pitch edits? Just curious


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[1andonly]

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Your points are very valid, but making a general statement such as "All the prospects potentials need to go down about 10%. Across the board." is also inaccurate.

The rating system in the game is currently being looked at by Seanjeezy, as well you need to realize the draft will compensate for lack of high potentials and create to many high potential picks. You are also not taking into consideration the number of players who regress. Older guys like RA Dickey need to be a 99 or they will be garbage by the end of the first season

I do not agree that that statement is inaccurate. I have done many simulations over a 5-7 year span in MLB the Show 14. From my experience when prospects have such high potentials there are way too many players with such high ratings. The amount of prospects with certain potentials is about the same this year so the same problem will 100% occur. Players who regress do not even come close to outweighing the hordes of players progress. However, when I reduce their potentials about 10-15% then I started seeing that there was a large variety of players with all ratings

[sink4ever]

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I do not agree that that statement is inaccurate. I have done many simulations over a 5-7 year span in MLB the Show 14. From my experience when prospects have such high potentials there are way too many players with such high ratings. The amount of prospects with certain potentials is about the same this year so the same problem will 100% occur. Players who regress do not even come close to outweighing the hordes of players progress. However, when I reduce their potentials about 10-15% then I started seeing that there was a large variety of players with all ratings

A) With the change to progression this year, we're really going to have to test it out once it launches anyway.
B) If you don't like how potential is handled in the set, it shouldn't take you too long to go through the 'A' potential prospects and drop their potentials slightly before starting your franchise. We're all going to have slightly ideas how to address this, but the good news is we can all make our own little tweaks once the roster is released.

[1andonly]

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A) With the change to progression this year, we're really going to have to test it out once it launches anyway.
B) If you don't like how potential is handled in the set, it shouldn't take you too long to go through the 'A' potential prospects and drop their potentials slightly before starting your franchise. We're all going to have slightly ideas how to address this, but the good news is we can all make our own little tweaks once the roster is released.

I agree. As I have said before I am not requiring a change and appreciate everyone's hard work. This is a mere suggestion based off my own personal experience and what I see as a problem. Of course I will reduce everyone when it comes out but I just wanted to help out and see if that is something other people would find helpful as well.

[T_O_p12]

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I agree. As I have said before I am not requiring a change and appreciate everyone's hard work. This is a mere suggestion based off my own personal experience and what I see as a problem. Of course I will reduce everyone when it comes out but I just wanted to help out and see if that is something other people would find helpful as well.

What are your thoughts on the guide posted by Willard76, I have copied it below? Do you think if that guide is followed to the letter we will be okay 5-10 years into a franchise? I think the guide makes sense but the hard part is enforcing it. Many of the teams are developed by fans of that team so naturally those prospects probably get a little over rated and over hyped. Another problem is the combination between the potential rating and the overall rating. A future HOF prospect can have a high potential but a balance needs to be struck between his overall rating when the player is created and when he is expected to arrive in the major league. That way you don’t have a huge prospect in AA who is better than your everyday guy in the MLB. Over the years he will natural progress to the bigs if his overall and potential is balanced.

Guide posted:

The Last Couple of years we have used this guide for Potentials as well as measuring where a player should be rated Overall - that said positional ratings do affect Overall as well so please keep that in mind. For instance if you are creating a 3b or 1b who hits for more Average than Power his Overall will be lower but that doesn't necessarily mean he needs a bump up.

95-99 - Superstar player, Future HOF player
90-94 - Perennial All Star, Bottom End Superstar - a true Ace or top 2/3 player, some Closers but not all
85-89 - semi Regular All Stars, Could be a #1 starter on most teams, most Closers and high end Set up guys
80-84 - sometimes All Star/Everyday player on any team, 2/3 Starters, low end Closers and most set ups guys
75-79 - Everyday player on most teams/high end Bench players, most 3/4 starters, low end set up or very good relievers
70-74 - Bench Players/on the cusp minor league players or AAAA players, 4/5 starters, average relievers
65-69 - AAAA players or career AAA players
60-64 - AAA or good AA players
55-59 - AA or high A
50-54 - High A quality which includes good Short Season A players
45-49 - high school draftees

Also no minor league hitter should have a clutch rating above 45, most should be 35 ish unless they are on the cusp of making it.

[seanjeezy]

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The only tweak I would make to that scale would be the starting pitcher descriptions. An ace is the pitching equivalent of an MVP type player. A strong #3 would actually be an all-star caliber player, a strong #4 above average.

The grades below overlap because of the sub-tiers within each tier.

95+ ace EX: Kershaw
90-94 #1 EX: Price
86-92 #2 EX: Strasburg
82-88 #3 EX: Iwakuma
78-84 #4 EX: Dickey
74-80 #5 EX: Leake

[1andonly]

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What are your thoughts on the guide posted by Willard76, I have copied it below? Do you think if that guide is followed to the letter we will be okay 5-10 years into a franchise? I think the guide makes sense but the hard part is enforcing it. Many of the teams are developed by fans of that team so naturally those prospects probably get a little over rated and over hyped. Another problem is the combination between the potential rating and the overall rating. A future HOF prospect can have a high potential but a balance needs to be struck between his overall rating when the player is created and when he is expected to arrive in the major league. That way you don’t have a huge prospect in AA who is better than your everyday guy in the MLB. Over the years he will natural progress to the bigs if his overall and potential is balanced.

I agree with this. Everyone including myself, even when trying to remain unbiased will overrate their prospects/players. I agree with the potneial vs overall thing as well. You don't want a bunch of 23 year olds who are 90 overall. They should be around mid 70s maybe low 80s.

Guide posted:

The Last Couple of years we have used this guide for Potentials as well as measuring where a player should be rated Overall - that said positional ratings do affect Overall as well so please keep that in mind. For instance if you are creating a 3b or 1b who hits for more Average than Power his Overall will be lower but that doesn't necessarily mean he needs a bump up.

95-99 - Superstar player.
90-94 - Perennial All Star, Bottom End Superstar - top 2/3 player, some Closers but not all
85-89 - semi Regular All Stars, Could be a #1 starter on most teams, most Closers and high end Set up guys
80-84 - sometimes All Star/Everyday player on any team, 2/3 Starters, low end Closers and most set ups guys
75-79 - Everyday player on most teams/high end Bench players, most 3/4 starters, low end set up or very good relievers
70-74 - Bench Players/on the cusp minor league players or AAAA players, 4/5 starters, average relievers
65-69 - AAAA players or career AAA players
60-64 - AAA or good AA players
55-59 - AA or high A
50-54 - High A quality which includes good Short Season A players
45-49 - high school draftees

Also no minor league hitter should have a clutch rating above 45, most should be 35 ish unless they are on the cusp of making it.

My guide would go like this for potential.

90-94 - Superstar player.

85-89 - Perennial All Star, Bottom End Superstar - a true Ace or top 2/3 player, some Closers but not all

80-84 - semi Regular All Stars, Could be a #1 starter on most teams, most Closers and high end Set up guys

75-79 - sometimes All Star/Everyday player on any team, 2/3 Starters, low end Closers and most set ups guys

70-74 - Everyday player on most teams/high end Bench players, most 3/4 starters, low end set up or very good relievers. 4/5 starters, average relievers.

65-69 - Bench Players/on the cusp minor league players or AAAA players.