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  • Cliffking
    Pro
    • May 2013
    • 533

    #151
    Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

    Originally posted by KBLover
    Depends on pitch, pitcher, confidence levels, and the hitter.

    Typically:

    Pitch type: Offspeed
    Out of the zone - I'll usually tap as I just want them to chase and it stay out of the zone. Sometimes, if confidence is high, I'll max effort it, especially with no one on base and down.

    In the zone - I'll usually max effort since deception is what I want. If it's going to be a strike, it will have to be a deceptive one to either freeze the hitter or make him swing through it.

    Pitch type: Breaking
    Either in or out of the zone, I'll mix it up. I probably tap more than max effort, especially in the zone or front door. I want the location first and foremost. Away, I'll do more max effort. Hope to get that bite that either makes it look outside and then nip the corner or look middle then bite away after the hitter commits.

    Pitch type: Fastball/Sinker
    Usually I'll max effort out of the zone (try to get the movement to induce a chase) and tap in zone (focus more on location and rely changing locations and speeds if this is a pitcher with different speeds on his fastballs).

    Pitch type: Knuckleball and Knuckle Curve
    Usually max effort. Nothing worse than a knuckler that doesn't move. For the knuckle curve, I think it needs that tight movement to be worth it. Otherwise, it's just a lazy sweeping curve - and I think that's bad.

    Pitch type: Forkballs (forkball, splitter, vulcan change)


    From there, I vary by hitter Vision and Discipline

    High VIS, High DISC
    These are annoying hitters and I will tend to just tap and go for location. I'm probably not going to fool them, and if I do, it's probably because of the pitcher's ratings. Last thing I want to do is make a mistake to a hitter that won't miss it and won't chase. I'll work in and out of the zone and hope for the best.

    High VIS, Low DISC
    For these, I stay out of the zone and max effort. They might make contact, but I can fool them into using that contact on pitches off the plate or that aren't ideal for them to hit.

    Low VIS, High DISC
    I'll do max effort a lot in the zone against these hitters, hoping to freeze them and if not, the VIS should minimize damage unless it's a total fail of a pitch. This is especially true if my pitcher is a high K/9 and Movement pitcher. Out of the zone is mostly taps, hoping to get a close enough but mostly those are "show" pitches against high DISC hitters (they probably aren't chasing).

    Low VIS, Low DISC
    Not many of these but usually I'll just tap and move in and out of the zone. #1 thing here is try to avoid the super mistake pitch that could let them do damage easily.


    I'll also consider my pitcher.

    I mostly look at BB/9 and K/9 with so many types in my franchises,

    (for me, low = under 55, avg = 55-75, high = over 75)
    High BB/9, high K/9
    Not many to go around - one, Boeve my now aging ace in my Year 14 franchise, was probably the best one I ever had. Sale is close. I pretty much just tap except when working fastballs out of the zone (want more movement)

    Low BB/9, Low K/9
    I try not to keep any of these guys around, but if I have to use one it's mostly all taps.

    High BB/9, Low K/9
    Mostly taps. Probably won't get many K's unless they freeze guys with location, which is where the taps come in - try to leverage the command the pitcher relies on.

    Low BB/9, High K/9
    Max effort all day every day. Command is potato no matter what so might as well maximize velocity and movement and hope for the best. Go for that "effectively wild" approach, since that's what those ratings say to me.


    Lastly, confidence - I use the lower of pitch or pitcher confidence. So if pitcher confidence is high but that pitch's is low, I'll use the low rules.

    Average/Normal confidence - use the usual strategy

    Low confidence - more tapping than usual, just want the pitch/pitcher to try to get on track.

    High confidence - more max effort than usual, pitch/pitcher is on so he'll likely execute location even when being greedy with his pitches.
    WOW unbelievable breakdown! I am trying this as soon as I get home! Thank You!

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    • Cliffking
      Pro
      • May 2013
      • 533

      #152
      Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

      Originally posted by KBLover
      Depends on pitch, pitcher, confidence levels, and the hitter.

      Typically:

      Pitch type: Offspeed
      Out of the zone - I'll usually tap as I just want them to chase and it stay out of the zone. Sometimes, if confidence is high, I'll max effort it, especially with no one on base and down.

      In the zone - I'll usually max effort since deception is what I want. If it's going to be a strike, it will have to be a deceptive one to either freeze the hitter or make him swing through it.

      Pitch type: Breaking
      Either in or out of the zone, I'll mix it up. I probably tap more than max effort, especially in the zone or front door. I want the location first and foremost. Away, I'll do more max effort. Hope to get that bite that either makes it look outside and then nip the corner or look middle then bite away after the hitter commits.

      Pitch type: Fastball/Sinker
      Usually I'll max effort out of the zone (try to get the movement to induce a chase) and tap in zone (focus more on location and rely changing locations and speeds if this is a pitcher with different speeds on his fastballs).

      Pitch type: Knuckleball and Knuckle Curve
      Usually max effort. Nothing worse than a knuckler that doesn't move. For the knuckle curve, I think it needs that tight movement to be worth it. Otherwise, it's just a lazy sweeping curve - and I think that's bad.

      Pitch type: Forkballs (forkball, splitter, vulcan change)
      Usually max effort except for forkballs. They are fine if they just "tumble" as long as they end up out of danger. I'll use them as "slow sinkers" more than anything else.

      From there, I vary by hitter Vision and Discipline

      High VIS, High DISC
      These are annoying hitters and I will tend to just tap and go for location. I'm probably not going to fool them, and if I do, it's probably because of the pitcher's ratings. Last thing I want to do is make a mistake to a hitter that won't miss it and won't chase. I'll work in and out of the zone and hope for the best.

      High VIS, Low DISC
      For these, I stay out of the zone and max effort. They might make contact, but I can fool them into using that contact on pitches off the plate or that aren't ideal for them to hit.

      Low VIS, High DISC
      I'll do max effort a lot in the zone against these hitters, hoping to freeze them and if not, the VIS should minimize damage unless it's a total fail of a pitch. This is especially true if my pitcher is a high K/9 and Movement pitcher. Out of the zone is mostly taps, hoping to get a close enough but mostly those are "show" pitches against high DISC hitters (they probably aren't chasing).

      Low VIS, Low DISC
      Not many of these but usually I'll just tap and move in and out of the zone. #1 thing here is try to avoid the super mistake pitch that could let them do damage easily.


      I'll also consider my pitcher.

      I mostly look at BB/9 and K/9 with so many types in my franchises,

      (for me, low = under 45, avg = 55-75, high = over 85)
      High BB/9, high K/9
      Not many to go around - one, Boeve my now aging ace in my Year 14 franchise, was probably the best one I ever had. Sale is close. I pretty much just tap except when working fastballs out of the zone (want more movement)

      Low BB/9, Low K/9
      I try not to keep any of these guys around, but if I have to use one it's mostly all taps.

      High BB/9, Low K/9
      Mostly taps. Probably won't get many K's unless they freeze guys with location, which is where the taps come in - try to leverage the command the pitcher relies on.

      Low BB/9, High K/9
      Max effort all day every day. Command is potato no matter what so might as well maximize velocity and movement and hope for the best. Go for that "effectively wild" approach, since that's what those ratings say to me.


      Lastly, confidence - I use the lower of pitch or pitcher confidence. So if pitcher confidence is high but that pitch's is low, I'll use the low rules.

      Average/Normal confidence - use the usual strategy

      Low confidence - more tapping than usual, just want the pitch/pitcher to try to get on track.

      High confidence - more max effort than usual, pitch/pitcher is on so he'll likely execute location even when being greedy with his pitches.
      The cure for all my classic woes. Big thanks kb

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      • bravesfan1984
        MVP
        • Mar 2008
        • 2808

        #153
        Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

        Originally posted by KBLover
        Depends on pitch, pitcher, confidence levels, and the hitter.

        Typically:

        Pitch type: Offspeed
        Out of the zone - I'll usually tap as I just want them to chase and it stay out of the zone. Sometimes, if confidence is high, I'll max effort it, especially with no one on base and down.

        In the zone - I'll usually max effort since deception is what I want. If it's going to be a strike, it will have to be a deceptive one to either freeze the hitter or make him swing through it.

        Pitch type: Breaking
        Either in or out of the zone, I'll mix it up. I probably tap more than max effort, especially in the zone or front door. I want the location first and foremost. Away, I'll do more max effort. Hope to get that bite that either makes it look outside and then nip the corner or look middle then bite away after the hitter commits.

        Pitch type: Fastball/Sinker
        Usually I'll max effort out of the zone (try to get the movement to induce a chase) and tap in zone (focus more on location and rely changing locations and speeds if this is a pitcher with different speeds on his fastballs).

        Pitch type: Knuckleball and Knuckle Curve
        Usually max effort. Nothing worse than a knuckler that doesn't move. For the knuckle curve, I think it needs that tight movement to be worth it. Otherwise, it's just a lazy sweeping curve - and I think that's bad.

        Pitch type: Forkballs (forkball, splitter, vulcan change)
        Usually max effort except for forkballs. They are fine if they just "tumble" as long as they end up out of danger. I'll use them as "slow sinkers" more than anything else.

        From there, I vary by hitter Vision and Discipline

        High VIS, High DISC
        These are annoying hitters and I will tend to just tap and go for location. I'm probably not going to fool them, and if I do, it's probably because of the pitcher's ratings. Last thing I want to do is make a mistake to a hitter that won't miss it and won't chase. I'll work in and out of the zone and hope for the best.

        High VIS, Low DISC
        For these, I stay out of the zone and max effort. They might make contact, but I can fool them into using that contact on pitches off the plate or that aren't ideal for them to hit.

        Low VIS, High DISC
        I'll do max effort a lot in the zone against these hitters, hoping to freeze them and if not, the VIS should minimize damage unless it's a total fail of a pitch. This is especially true if my pitcher is a high K/9 and Movement pitcher. Out of the zone is mostly taps, hoping to get a close enough but mostly those are "show" pitches against high DISC hitters (they probably aren't chasing).

        Low VIS, Low DISC
        Not many of these but usually I'll just tap and move in and out of the zone. #1 thing here is try to avoid the super mistake pitch that could let them do damage easily.


        I'll also consider my pitcher.

        I mostly look at BB/9 and K/9 with so many types in my franchises,

        (for me, low = under 45, avg = 55-75, high = over 85)
        High BB/9, high K/9
        Not many to go around - one, Boeve my now aging ace in my Year 14 franchise, was probably the best one I ever had. Sale is close. I pretty much just tap except when working fastballs out of the zone (want more movement)

        Low BB/9, Low K/9
        I try not to keep any of these guys around, but if I have to use one it's mostly all taps.

        High BB/9, Low K/9
        Mostly taps. Probably won't get many K's unless they freeze guys with location, which is where the taps come in - try to leverage the command the pitcher relies on.

        Low BB/9, High K/9
        Max effort all day every day. Command is potato no matter what so might as well maximize velocity and movement and hope for the best. Go for that "effectively wild" approach, since that's what those ratings say to me.


        Lastly, confidence - I use the lower of pitch or pitcher confidence. So if pitcher confidence is high but that pitch's is low, I'll use the low rules.

        Average/Normal confidence - use the usual strategy

        Low confidence - more tapping than usual, just want the pitch/pitcher to try to get on track.

        High confidence - more max effort than usual, pitch/pitcher is on so he'll likely execute location even when being greedy with his pitches.

        Wow KB, awesome stuff? Do you think it'd be possible to put together a quick chart or something with this info to make it a little easier to guide through while playing?
        Braves | Cowboys | ND Football | UNC Basketball | 4-Kevin Harvick


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        • KBLover
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2009
          • 12172

          #154
          Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

          Originally posted by bravesfan1984
          Wow KB, awesome stuff? Do you think it'd be possible to put together a quick chart or something with this info to make it a little easier to guide through while playing?

          Maybe.

          I might try it if I get a chance. Was challenging making sure everything got out of my head and on the post. I'm used to thinking it, not typing it lol.
          "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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          • bravesfan1984
            MVP
            • Mar 2008
            • 2808

            #155
            Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

            Originally posted by KBLover
            Maybe.

            I might try it if I get a chance. Was challenging making sure everything got out of my head and on the post. I'm used to thinking it, not typing it lol.
            I totally understand. Sure hope to see you get a chance to put something together. Some very good info!

            Sent from my SM-G965U using Operation Sports mobile app
            Braves | Cowboys | ND Football | UNC Basketball | 4-Kevin Harvick


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            • KBLover
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2009
              • 12172

              #156
              Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

              "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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              • bravesfan1984
                MVP
                • Mar 2008
                • 2808

                #157
                Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

                Originally posted by KBLover
                Thank you so much! Awesome stuff!

                Sent from my SM-G965U using Operation Sports mobile app
                Braves | Cowboys | ND Football | UNC Basketball | 4-Kevin Harvick


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                • Cliffking
                  Pro
                  • May 2013
                  • 533

                  #158
                  Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

                  Originally posted by KBLover
                  Kb, it seems like you have your own slider set. Where is it

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                  • hitmanwa
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 317

                    #159
                    Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

                    Great stuff here. Helping a ton.

                    Quick questions. Are 2SFB and Cutters considered breaking balls or fastballs? Do quirks do anything or just tell you info regarding ratings?

                    Does a tap 4SFB use more stamina than a tap Changeup? Nvm...tested. Why would curve balls use more stam than 2SFB? Breaking balls def use more stam than fastballs.
                    Last edited by hitmanwa; 07-10-2018, 04:28 PM.

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                    • KBLover
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 12172

                      #160
                      Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

                      Originally posted by hitmanwa
                      Quick questions. Are 2SFB and Cutters considered breaking balls or fastballs? Do quirks do anything or just tell you info regarding ratings?
                      2SFB and Cutters are fastballs.

                      Quirks for pitches only speak to their ratings. So if you see a pitcher with 65 movement overall (what's on his card) but you see "Illusionist" for his quirk, then you know he as a high-level change-up.

                      Originally posted by hitmanwa
                      Does a tap 4SFB use more stamina than a tap Changeup?
                      Don't take this as fact, but I'm guessing fastballs use more stamina. For some reason, I remember reading that on here years ago, but can't be for certain and it's hard to tell looking at the bar.
                      "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                      • hitmanwa
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 317

                        #161
                        Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015









                        4SFB vs Sliders w Verlander. Maybe someone can confirm or suggest more viable testing.


                        Threw 10 fastballs vs 10 breakingballs and breaking balls def use more stamina. Going to throw 30 of each. 4SFB, 2SFB and cutter use less stamina than a breaking ball. Can post SSs if anyone likes. Using Morton. Stress on the arm maybe?
                        Last edited by hitmanwa; 07-10-2018, 06:14 PM.

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                        • KBLover
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 12172

                          #162
                          Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

                          The images are both showing fastballs.

                          But based on what you tested - seems that breaking stuff uses more stamina.

                          Stress on the arm is probably what's being simulated.
                          "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                          • hitmanwa
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 317

                            #163
                            Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

                            Post was being weird. Should be correct now. Added the 126 and Circle.

                            This game...I swear.
                            Last edited by hitmanwa; 07-10-2018, 07:32 PM.

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                            • KBLover
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 12172

                              #164
                              Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

                              Thanks for the tests and the evidence.
                              "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                              • wong604
                                Rookie
                                • Apr 2017
                                • 49

                                #165
                                Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion Thread 2015

                                how do you aim with classic pitching if your using no ball marker? do you aim with the left joystick?

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