Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 16 Timed/Classic Simulation Sliders

[torpidbeaver]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 16 Timed/Classic Simulation Sliders

Painfully dumb question, but where do I find these options?

General
Umpire Balls and Strikes: Personalized
Umpire Close Plays: On
Scorebar Display - On
Pitch Select Display - Off
Swing/Pitch Info - Off
Game Log Order - Default

Pitch Callout: Off (cleaner screen but turn it on if you like)

I can't seem to find them anywhere in the options. Am I looking in the wrong place? Gah!

As always, thanks for the sliders A&S. Use your set every year.

[KBLover]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 16 Timed/Classic Simulation Sliders

Painfully dumb question, but where do I find these options?

Those look like they should be in Options -> User Settings -> General - Advanced.

Edit: not sure where Pitch Callout is. The rest are in the above path.

[torpidbeaver]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 16 Timed/Classic Simulation Sliders

Ah, goddammit. I never noticed that stupid Basic/Advanced tab. Thanks very much!

[The Chef]

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The one thing that Ive noticed over the years of playing this game and has always bugged me, maybe its just me and thats entirely possible, but its the constant advantage given to the CPU SP if he has a high h/9 rating. Its as if the game is set so if the CPU SP has a high h/9 he can get away with throwing pitches that should be crushed and to keep it "real" those pitches are either popped up, missed entirely or crushed but always right at someone. Now if the CPU SP has a low h/9 those same exact pitches suddenly start falling for hits, to me thats not realistic thats attempting to make the final stats more important then the journey to achieve those stats. Most recent game Im facing Archer over in TB, solid h/9, comes into the game with an ERA over 5 and you can see why as his pitches are catching way too much of the plate but, as usual, those pitches are laced right at guys over and over again. Ive seen this way too many times for my liking, in the end I dont care about ratings, if the guy is grooving pitches with any regularity hes gonna get lit up but it seems like the h/9 rating is balancing it out and keeping things "real". Thoughts?

[KBLover]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 16 Timed/Classic Simulation Sliders

The one thing that Ive noticed over the years of playing this game and has always bugged me, maybe its just me and thats entirely possible, but its the constant advantage given to the CPU SP if he has a high h/9 rating. Its as if the game is set so if the CPU SP has a high h/9 he can get away with throwing pitches that should be crushed and to keep it "real" those pitches are either popped up, missed entirely or crushed but always right at someone. Now if the CPU SP has a low h/9 those same exact pitches suddenly start falling for hits, to me thats not realistic thats attempting to make the final stats more important then the journey to achieve those stats. Most recent game Im facing Archer over in TB, solid h/9, comes into the game with an ERA over 5 and you can see why as his pitches are catching way too much of the plate but, as usual, those pitches are laced right at guys over and over again. Ive seen this way too many times for my liking, in the end I dont care about ratings, if the guy is grooving pitches with any regularity hes gonna get lit up but it seems like the h/9 rating is balancing it out and keeping things "real". Thoughts?

Limitation of the engine.

In the real game, "H/9" is debatable in strength (or even existence in a lot of guys) because irl that means BABIP allowed and/or strength of contact allowed. That said, some pitchers DO control it (especially relievers, knuckleballers, quality finesse pitchers, extreme flyball/groundball pitchers...which doesn't even exist in MLBTS because there's no G/F profiles in the game, and lefties). Also, pitchers that tend to get K's a lot seem to induce weaker contact on balls that are hit.

Otherwise, "avoiding hits" in the real game is K's for reliability (never a hit allowed) and the rest is defense or if you're a pitcher that can induce weaker hits consistently (and even then that's just making it easier for your defense).

In MLBTS, H/9 seems to related to batting average allowed (not BABIP allowed) and to a degree the quality of contact factor.

Now, that said, a pitch down the middle is not a hit 100% of the time.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2014/7/21/5921769/babip--strikezone-location-mlb

Zone 5 is right down the middle in MLBTS as well. As you see, .350 BABIP, so 65% of the time, pitches there are still outs when non-HR contact is made.

Given that the location is THE most hittable place in the zone, outs probably came from poor timing or poor contact trajectory. MLBTS can emulate that to a degree (of course people then complain about that), but line drives going for out a lot is I think just a limitation of the engine. It happens too much, I agree. I would rather see those balls be grounders or well-hit flies that still become outs (not quite all of it, trajectory too high, etc).

Throw on the fact that H/9 and K/9 also have an impact and the fact it's more about BA than BABIP in the engine (imo), I think that's why we see what you describe.

Now, I DO care about ratings because that's the representation of the player's ability profile in this game. It's bad enough HR/9 is meaningless in "live" games. That's unrealistic enough. If H/9 just stays confined to contact quality, I think it's doing what it's supposed to. I know when my "all H/9" pitcher is on (95 H/9, decent BB/9 and like 35 K/9). He induces bad contact/trajectories all game long. Pitches over the middle do get hit the hardest, though, so if he's not on and not locating, it becomes a luck fest as to where the balls get hit, which isn't terribly unrealistic.

So I guess ultimately my thoughts are summed like this:

-Yes, LD become outs too often. I agree, but I feel that's a limitation of the engine problem.

-I don't want H/9 to become "powerless" like HR/9 is. Maybe it's effect should be lowered a little or confined to influencing batted ball trajectories.

-Location should matter, but within the zone, there's not a ton of difference in how often balls become hits when they don't leave the yard, mostly type of hits (extra base vs single).

-There might be too many LD on balls down the middle. LD rate doesn't really change much, so maybe that's why it looks bad...some of those LD should be hard grounders or high flies that may or may not make it out.


JMO.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 16 Timed/Classic Simulation Sliders

Bizarre thing has recently happened here. I can't use any editing (blog text, color text, load pic's, links etc etc) features, can't like posts anymore.

Anyway clue how this happened?

It only happens using my Macbook Pro. My work PC is fine.....so strange.

[stealyerface]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 16 Timed/Classic Simulation Sliders

Limitation of the engine.

In the real game, "H/9" is debatable in strength (or even existence in a lot of guys) because irl that means BABIP allowed and/or strength of contact allowed. That said, some pitchers DO control it (especially relievers, knuckleballers, quality finesse pitchers, extreme flyball/groundball pitchers...which doesn't even exist in MLBTS because there's no G/F profiles in the game, and lefties). Also, pitchers that tend to get K's a lot seem to induce weaker contact on balls that are hit.

Otherwise, "avoiding hits" in the real game is K's for reliability (never a hit allowed) and the rest is defense or if you're a pitcher that can induce weaker hits consistently (and even then that's just making it easier for your defense).

In MLBTS, H/9 seems to related to batting average allowed (not BABIP allowed) and to a degree the quality of contact factor.

Now, that said, a pitch down the middle is not a hit 100% of the time.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2014/7/21/5921769/babip--strikezone-location-mlb

Zone 5 is right down the middle in MLBTS as well. As you see, .350 BABIP, so 65% of the time, pitches there are still outs when non-HR contact is made.

Given that the location is THE most hittable place in the zone, outs probably came from poor timing or poor contact trajectory. MLBTS can emulate that to a degree (of course people then complain about that), but line drives going for out a lot is I think just a limitation of the engine. It happens too much, I agree. I would rather see those balls be grounders or well-hit flies that still become outs (not quite all of it, trajectory too high, etc).

Throw on the fact that H/9 and K/9 also have an impact and the fact it's more about BA than BABIP in the engine (imo), I think that's why we see what you describe.

Now, I DO care about ratings because that's the representation of the player's ability profile in this game. It's bad enough HR/9 is meaningless in "live" games. That's unrealistic enough. If H/9 just stays confined to contact quality, I think it's doing what it's supposed to. I know when my "all H/9" pitcher is on (95 H/9, decent BB/9 and like 35 K/9). He induces bad contact/trajectories all game long. Pitches over the middle do get hit the hardest, though, so if he's not on and not locating, it becomes a luck fest as to where the balls get hit, which isn't terribly unrealistic.

So I guess ultimately my thoughts are summed like this:

-Yes, LD become outs too often. I agree, but I feel that's a limitation of the engine problem.

-I don't want H/9 to become "powerless" like HR/9 is. Maybe it's effect should be lowered a little or confined to influencing batted ball trajectories.

-Location should matter, but within the zone, there's not a ton of difference in how often balls become hits when they don't leave the yard, mostly type of hits (extra base vs single).

-There might be too many LD on balls down the middle. LD rate doesn't really change much, so maybe that's why it looks bad...some of those LD should be hard grounders or high flies that may or may not make it out.


JMO.

The only way to test this would be to edit a pitcher to have a rating of 99 for H/9

Start a game, and using classic timing, press and release the 4 seam without moving the cursor at all. Pitch through 100 pitches, and restart the same game, but lower the pitchers rating to 0

Another 100 pitches, and there ought to be, if the slider is functional, a marked difference in the amount of solid contact, and hits per those 100 pitches, based on the largest disparity of the slider possible.

It would be interesting to see if the number of groundball outs and weak pop ups were to rise, due to the rating being maxed out.

If there was not marked difference, we could chalk it up to yet another suspect slider.

~syf

[KBLover]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 16 Timed/Classic Simulation Sliders

Bizarre thing has recently happened here. I can't use any editing (blog text, color text, load pic's, links etc etc) features, can't like posts anymore.

Anyway clue how this happened?

It only happens using my Macbook Pro. My work PC is fine.....so strange.

I was having that and was about to post in a Steve's Forum about it.

What it was for me was an extension. I was using Ad Block and it was somehow messing with the site so much that I was seeing what you were seeing. The editor was borked, couldn't like, etc.

[KBLover]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 16 Timed/Classic Simulation Sliders

The only way to test this would be to edit a pitcher to have a rating of 99 for H/9

Start a game, and using classic timing, press and release the 4 seam without moving the cursor at all. Pitch through 100 pitches, and restart the same game, but lower the pitchers rating to 0

Another 100 pitches, and there ought to be, if the slider is functional, a marked difference in the amount of solid contact, and hits per those 100 pitches, based on the largest disparity of the slider possible.

It would be interesting to see if the number of groundball outs and weak pop ups were to rise, due to the rating being maxed out.

If there was not marked difference, we could chalk it up to yet another suspect slider.

~syf

I don't have a guy with 0, but I have my guy above (95 H/9, which is near enough to 99) and my fantasy Boston team where the highest is 99 that Chapman has and many of the rest are in the 50's or 70's.

When I use Chapman versus the rest, he gets a lot of bad contact or sometimes harder hit balls are at people. When I use a good pitcher with 70's H/9 (like Chris Sale), he can give up a lot of line drives. When Huff, the finesser, is doing what he's supposed to, I see choppers and routine fly most of the game. When he's not, I see liners and hard grounders at people...or not.

To me, that's H/9 making a difference and impacting quality of contact, which is what it's supposed to do, especially in a irl baseball sense. H/9 might also be a measure of "luckiness" of a pitcher, especially outside the extremes (which indicate just really bad pitching or really good pitching), which would fall in line with a lot of sabermetric thinking about BABIP and pitchers.

So, I'm not sure what people want from H/9, but to me, most of time, it "softens" or "hardens" contact, and I think that's fine. If you want guaranteed outs, get K/9 and hope he gets a lot of swings and misses that day...or better, both like Chapman and my ace on my carryover have.

What I want from the engine is HR/9 acting either as a G/F rate of the pitcher, or, better, the "Matt Cain rating" - flyballs without HR, which is at least somewhat of an actual pitcher ability.

[crains13]

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I'm 16 games into my Reds franchise and my pitching staff is sporting a 2.77 era (which is the worse pitching staff in real life). I've only given up 7 home runs through the first 16 games. I'm using the sliders from the OP except I have HUM consistency at 1 instead of 3. Without trying HOF and without affecting my strikeouts, which slider should I adjust to get more offense from the CPU? Should I try bumping up solid hits to 6?

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 16 Timed/Classic Simulation Sliders

I'm 16 games into my Reds franchise and my pitching staff is sporting a 2.77 era (which is the worse pitching staff in real life). I've only given up 7 home runs through the first 16 games. I'm using the sliders from the OP except I have HUM consistency at 1 instead of 3. Without trying HOF and without affecting my strikeouts, which slider should I adjust to get more offense from the CPU? Should I try bumping up solid hits to 6?

Yes.......and keep playing. Reversion to the mean is forth coming. 16 games...anyone can be on a good streak. After 50 games let me know with the solid hits at 6.

[DJeterFan2]

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This is my first time using these sliders in my seven years of the show, but I do have one question I may have not read in the previous responses.

If I were to play with a zone hitting scheme instead of timed/directional would it hinder the realism?

So far in three games in absolutely crushing it at the plate.

Game 1: 9 Runs on 12 Hits. 1 Home Run
Game 2: 6 Runs on 10 Hits. 1 Home Run
Game 3: 15 Runs on 12 Hits. 7 Home Runs

My pitching hasn't been too shabby either as I've pitched to an ERA of 3.00 through my first three games.

Is this a by-product of a hot streak or the fact that I'm playing with zone hitting and quick counts?

Thoughts?

[The Chef]

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Dumb question but does contact also help with hitting more HR's or just in helping raise the batting averages? I dont want more HR's but I would like a better average. I ask because I turned it up to 6 in my last game after seeing someone mention here and 3 of my 8 hits are HR's lol. I know, extremely small sample size, but wanted to see if anyone who had upped this to 6 themselves had more feedback and had been using it for quite sometime perhaps.

[Mikeyo918]

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Anyway to curb the crazy amount of CGs the computer is throwing?

[crains13]

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Yes.......and keep playing. Reversion to the mean is forth coming. 16 games...anyone can be on a good streak. After 50 games let me know with the solid hits at 6.

I actually just lowered consistency down to 0. I wasn't walking the CPU enough due to the lack of offense. I haven't been trying to nibble as much bc the CPU wasn't hitting. This seems to work so far. It's definitely more difficult.