FenwayMac Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders

**FenwayMac** · 08-18-2016, 02:01 PM

Re: FenwayMac Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders

Originally posted by CanYouRead

Okay. Just to let you know Fenway I was using Pure Analog when I was pitching with Wei-Yin Chen. He went 7 innings strong and gave up 5 hits and only struck out 3. The Marlins gave up 8 hits, 6 singles and 2 doubles. One of the doubles that were given up was from the pitcher, Kenta Maeda. We won 3-2 and we gave up zero homeruns.

The next game I played the Milwaukee Brewers. Adam Conley was pitching and this game ended up going into extra innings thanks to a rally from the Brewers in the 6th inning. Conley started out strong through 4 innings then got rocked. He only lasted 5.1 innings and he had given up 7 hits, and struck out 6. The Marlins gave up 10 hits that game and gave up only 1 double and 9 singles.

The next game of the series we won 9-2. Our pitcher was Andrew Cashner who is currently 4-1. He lasted 6 innings while only giving up 3 hits and striking out 7. The Brewers only accumulated 3 hits off of our bullpen as we struck out 11 batters, 4 coming from the bullpen. Out of those 6 hits, 3 of the hits were doubles and the other 3 were singles.

To add, I use Pure Analog pitching and I feel like you can pitch however you want to with this setting.

What are your thoughts on the results? Playing well or not thrilled?

**CanYouRead** · 08-18-2016, 03:21 PM

Re: FenwayMac Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders

Originally posted by FenwayMac

What are your thoughts on the results? Playing well or not thrilled?

Well I just got rocked by the Brewers 6-4. Even though I outhit them 9-7, I gave up too many walks..gave up 3 to one player. So it varies if I say so myself just like in real life. I play the diamondbacks next and Jose is pitching. Will post a box score later after I play that game.

**CanYouRead** · 08-18-2016, 05:21 PM

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**FenwayMac** · 08-18-2016, 11:48 PM

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Game #3. Total heart-breaker. Had a great pitching performance taking place, but then the middle of Toronto's order just took over...

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Donaldson scores</td><td align="right" width="8%">5</td><td align="right" width="8%">4</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="7%">TOR</td><td align="center" width="7%">6</td><td width="70%">Brown homered to center</td><td align="right" width="8%">5</td><td align="right" width="8%">5</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="7%">TOR</td><td align="center" width="7%">7</td><td width="70%">Tulowitzki homered to left. Pillar scores</td><td align="right" width="8%">7</td><td align="right" width="8%">5</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#0D1B3F" colspan="9"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">Boston Red Sox</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="41%">HITTERS</td><td align="right" width="7%">AB</td><td align="right" width="7%">R</td><td align="right" width="7%">H</td><td align="right" width="7%">RBI</td><td align="right" width="7%">BB</td><td align="right" width="7%">SO</td><td align="right" width="7%">HR</td><td align="right" width="10%">AVG</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td colspan="9"><b><u>BATTING:</u></b><br /><b>HR:</b> B.Swihart (11)<br /><b>RBI:</b> D.Pedroia (53) D. 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**CoachModer** · 08-19-2016, 04:48 AM

Re: FenwayMac Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders

Fenway what is your record on the Season?

**FenwayMac** · 08-19-2016, 02:49 PM

Re: FenwayMac Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders

Originally posted by CoachModer

Fenway what is your record on the Season?

I want to say around 75-65 or around there. I am in deep trouble because I trail the division by 3.5 and the wildcard by 1.5 so unless my bats pick up the pace a bit, could be a sad ending.

**Noiziv** · 08-19-2016, 09:55 PM

Re: FenwayMac Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders

I'm going to give these another go. What do you recommend for AllStar pitching on the highlighted settings where you put "HoF Difficulty Only"?

Also, and I'm not sure if this was already mentioned previously, but do your hitting settings work well on Timing hitting as opposed to Zone?

**CanYouRead** · 08-19-2016, 11:04 PM

Re: FenwayMac Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders

Originally posted by Noiziv

I'm going to give these another go. What do you recommend for AllStar pitching on the highlighted settings where you put "HoF Difficulty Only"?

Also, and I'm not sure if this was already mentioned previously, but do your hitting settings work well on Timing hitting as opposed to Zone?

His sliders work fine if you want to go with the directional hitting route. I racked up 16 hits in a game that went extra innings, and I racked up 13 hits in a 7-3 win over the Diamondbacks.

**FenwayMac** · 08-20-2016, 01:22 AM

Re: FenwayMac Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders

Originally posted by Noiziv

I'm going to give these another go. What do you recommend for AllStar pitching on the highlighted settings where you put "HoF Difficulty Only"?

Also, and I'm not sure if this was already mentioned previously, but do your hitting settings work well on Timing hitting as opposed to Zone?

Thanks for giving the set a go and also thanks for reminding to clarify the original post. I have made the changes on Post#1 as well, but it appears the consensus is that for CPU all star hitting sliders use:

CPU Contact 6
CPU Power 5
CPU Timing 4
CPU FF 5
CPU Solid Hits 4

Let me know how those go!

As for the human hitting sliders on timing, I will have to defer to the other members, I only play zone hitting, but best way is to give them a go.

**Noiziv** · 08-20-2016, 06:41 AM

Re: FenwayMac Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders

Originally posted by FenwayMac

Thanks for giving the set a go and also thanks for reminding to clarify the original post. I have made the changes on Post#1 as well, but it appears the consensus is that for CPU all star hitting sliders use:

CPU Contact 6
CPU Power 5
CPU Timing 4
CPU FF 5
CPU Solid Hits 4

Let me know how those go!

As for the human hitting sliders on timing, I will have to defer to the other members, I only play zone hitting, but best way is to give them a go.

Awesome, thanks! I'm looking forward to testing these out over the next couple series.

**FenwayMac** · 08-21-2016, 09:47 PM

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HOF Pitchers: I believe that I have some good new regarding the CPU hitting sliders that we have been testing over the last couple of weeks. As a quick reminder, here are the settings that have been tested, and are only if you are pitching on HOF level.

CPU Contact - 5
CPU Power - 6
CPU Timing - 3
CPU Foul Frequency - 5
CPU Solid Hits - 4

Goals

As much as I enjoyed the All-Star pitching sliders that are associated with the FenwayMac Variety 1.0 sliders, I found that as the season progressed, pitching became a little too easy, and those half-innings were virtually an afterthought of feeling that I was on auto-pilot and getting quick outs. I needed more of a challenge

HOF certainly creates a challenge, but as a base set it also throws all the hitting variety, averages, CPU power, and scoring variety out of wack. You essentially need to calibrate from scratch on each level you choose to play. Here were the goals I set out to adjust:

1) Tame home runs and CPU "Cheese" - You have all seen it before. You are dominating a team and then out of nowhere the computer absolutely destroys a pitch for a deep home run. You look at the location and somehow the computer made perfect contact on a pitch location that it had no business hitting in the first place.

2) Tame "long string of singles" rallies. Combined with the home runs, the CPU has a knack for putting together 4+ single hits in a row, often very early in the count. Every team rallies, but you feel helpless as a pitcher when everything you throw gets hit. It quickly lowers confidence and compounds itself.

3) Raise CPU batting average - On All-Star the CPU was batting around .230. I wanted to increase the CPU throttle a bit.

4) More CPU strikeouts - when you switch to HOF, it seems that the CPU gets the bat on everything. Needed to make the CPU more "human", with looking strikeouts, swinging strikeouts, and off-timing swings.

Overall the goal was to create more of a challenge on the pitching side of the equation, while continuing to utilize my Human All-Star hitting sliders. Overall, I think that the HOF CPU hitting sliders listed above hit pretty close to these targets

Results - 20 game sample

First of all, you know me and hit type percentage. This is the results of the CPU hitting against my HOF sliders...

1B- 61.79%
2B - 21.95%
3B- 2.44%
HR- 13.82%

Initially on base sliders, singles and home runs were running way too high and doubles and triples way too low. It does seem odd that increasing power would actually DECREASE home runs, but my thinking on this is (combined with a contact drop and a timing drop) created hits that were not perfectly squared-up, which sprayed the ball around the field rather that always flying out of the park. If you want to see the computer hit more home runs, just throw one over the plate and see what happens! Now, when you see a good, solid hit and check the location of pitch and contact, it should look a little more earned by the CPU. Not every time, but enough to satisfy that the comeback code can be tamed.

As for variety of scoring, also better balanced. Less string of single rallies. Less long bombs. more run-scoring doubles, and sac flies mixed in there as well now.

Average .264

Right about where I would want to be for a middle-of-the-road pitching team that I have. Dropping contact and timing helped to lower this from the 300's, but also is an increase from the 230's that I was receiving at All-Stat

K's.

Drop in computer contact and timing also allowed me to get a reasonable amount of K's per game at 7.62. My highest was 14 and my lowest was 4. My most by a starting pitcher was 9.

Walks

Due to a stronger opponent at HOF level, my walks averaged right around 3 per game, some higher, but very few lower. You have to pitch carefully and if the pitcher is not spot on, more walks ensue.

Overall, I feel that these are pretty much as close as they are going to get. There is just something fundamentally different about HOF level that causes the CPU to have some unrealistic abilities and uncanny timing, but overall these tend to tame that down as much as possible, although not perfect by any means.

I think I will place these into the vault and let you know if you want to give them a try. Let me know what you think!

UPDATE: FenwayMac HOF Pitching is now in the vault!

**Noiziv** · 08-22-2016, 01:34 PM

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In my first game with your sliders (I decided to try HoF over AllStar for once, too), I had a really awesome game.

I play as the White Sox and I was facing the Nationals in the second of a three game series. The first two innings were a breeze for both teams. In the 3rd, however, Wilson Ramos got a solo homerun that barely made it over the fence. I struggled for awhile, only racking up a total of two hits through the first 4 innings. The 6th was a little different, however. I started the inning with a lead off triple down the right field line that Bryce Harper took a bad route on. My next batter blooped an 0-2 pitch down the right field line for a single. My next batter managed to walk after driving the count full. Jose Abreu came up next and crushed a 3-run homer to right center field, putting me up 4-1. The next half inning went great for my team as we shut them down 1-2-3.

The inning after that was the opposite, however, as a double, single, and walk had the Nats in business with bases loaded and nobody out. After a strong outing, I had to take my starter out as Wilson Ramos was back up to the plate. On the second pitch, he drives a liner to right center field, clearing the bases. A new reliever comes in who has struggled all season for me, and he gives up a walk and a couple of hits to put the Nats up 7-4, them scoring 6 runs in the 6th. I managed to score another run in the bottom of the 7th, but that was all, and the game ended in a 7-5 loss.

What I really enjoyed about the game was the fact that I had a big inning that got most of my runs, as did the Nats. Poor pitch placement hurt me in the 6-run inning, and putting a pitcher in who has struggled probably wasn't the best managerial decision I could have made.

**FenwayMac** · 08-22-2016, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Noiziv

In my first game with your sliders (I decided to try HoF over AllStar for once, too), I had a really awesome game.

I play as the White Sox and I was facing the Nationals in the second of a three game series. The first two innings were a breeze for both teams. In the 3rd, however, Wilson Ramos got a solo homerun that barely made it over the fence. I struggled for awhile, only racking up a total of two hits through the first 4 innings. The 6th was a little different, however. I started the inning with a lead off triple down the right field line that Bryce Harper took a bad route on. My next batter blooped an 0-2 pitch down the right field line for a single. My next batter managed to walk after driving the count full. Jose Abreu came up next and crushed a 3-run homer to right center field, putting me up 4-1. The next half inning went great for my team as we shut them down 1-2-3.

The inning after that was the opposite, however, as a double, single, and walk had the Nats in business with bases loaded and nobody out. After a strong outing, I had to take my starter out as Wilson Ramos was back up to the plate. On the second pitch, he drives a liner to right center field, clearing the bases. A new reliever comes in who has struggled all season for me, and he gives up a walk and a couple of hits to put the Nats up 7-4, them scoring 6 runs in the 6th. I managed to score another run in the bottom of the 7th, but that was all, and the game ended in a 7-5 loss.

What I really enjoyed about the game was the fact that I had a big inning that got most of my runs, as did the Nats. Poor pitch placement hurt me in the 6-run inning, and putting a pitcher in who has struggled probably wasn't the best managerial decision I could have made.

That's a good game. I will say that the CPU will make a big rally any chance it gets so breaking up their rhythm the best you can by doing mound visits, calling your own game, and wise substitutions are going to be key.

One major difference I noticed with the games I played is that in the past whenever I had a good inning, suddenly the computer would have one as well. There seems to be more 1-2-3, or at least holding the lead, after scoring during my half.

And you are right, the scoring can come in clumps rather than one here and one there, that is a main purpose of the sliders is the ability to sustain a rally, just like the real deal.

Careful pitching is where it's at, so as you adjust to the abilities of the computer, you will love when you work out of a jam, especially if you can rack up a K doing it!

**Noiziv** · 08-22-2016, 03:36 PM

Re: FenwayMac Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders

Originally posted by FenwayMac

That's a good game. I will say that the CPU will make a big rally any chance it gets so breaking up their rhythm the best you can by doing mound visits, calling your own game, and wise substitutions are going to be key.

One major difference I noticed with the games I played is that in the past whenever I had a good inning, suddenly the computer would have one as well. There seems to be more 1-2-3, or at least holding the lead, after scoring during my half.

And you are right, the scoring can come in clumps rather than one here and one there, that is a main purpose of the sliders is the ability to sustain a rally, just like the real deal.

Careful pitching is where it's at, so as you adjust to the abilities of the computer, you will love when you work out of a jam, especially if you can rack up a K doing it!

I've had a lot of trouble with having games where I score or the other team scores and the lead just stays in favor of one of the teams. It never seems to seesaw much. In just the first game with your sliders, however, I struggled early but halfway through the game seemed to be the most likely winner considering the Nationals only managed to score 1 run through most of it. But keeping a tiring starter in too long (Miguel Gonzalez was at 82 pitches to start the inning) who was bound to lose his rhythm proved fatal in the end.

I'm really excited to see what other results I get from these sliders.

**FenwayMac** · 08-22-2016, 03:46 PM

Re: FenwayMac Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders

Originally posted by Noiziv

I've had a lot of trouble with having games where I score or the other team scores and the lead just stays in favor of one of the teams. It never seems to seesaw much. In just the first game with your sliders, however, I struggled early but halfway through the game seemed to be the most likely winner considering the Nationals only managed to score 1 run through most of it. But keeping a tiring starter in too long (Miguel Gonzalez was at 82 pitches to start the inning) who was bound to lose his rhythm proved fatal in the end.

I'm really excited to see what other results I get from these sliders.

Definitely report back! I have found the my starter can seem to get into the 90's to over 100 pitches of the situation is right, but mostly I start up the 'pen around 80 pitches or so just in case.

Yep, it used to be that if I fell down a couple runs early, I could almost certainly count out getting back in to the game, but now being able to rally keeps me motivated to the end. That is how baseball should be!

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