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  • Pared
    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
    • Feb 2003
    • 39337

    #91
    Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

    But then you aren't answering the question objectively, ehh, you're answering it subjectively.

    When it comes to questions like this, I always try and answer objectively. As dear as HH and MVP PC are to me, to a baseball gamer that is looking for the "total package" the thread is almost a no-brainer.

    Also, using mods that individuals create doesn't really make it the best game ever IMO. I can typically create what I want in the game given the time but that, if anything, lends credence to the community, not the game itself.
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    • Knight165
      *ll St*r
      • Feb 2003
      • 24964

      #92
      Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

      Originally posted by ehh
      Did it ever occur to people that different gamers look for different things in video games?
      Did it ever occur to YOU?
      Sure doesn't sound like it from your initial post.
      ....and your dismissal of RTTS and manage only mode kind of negate your argument that MVP is "the whole package"...doesn't it?

      M.K.
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      • ehh
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2003
        • 28962

        #93
        Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

        Originally posted by Pared
        But then you aren't answering the question objectively, ehh, you're answering it subjectively.

        When it comes to questions like this, I always try and answer objectively. As dear as HH and MVP PC are to me, to a baseball gamer that is looking for the "total package" the thread is almost a no-brainer.

        Also, using mods that individuals create doesn't really make it the best game ever IMO. I can typically create what I want in the game given the time but that, if anything, lends credence to the community, not the game itself.
        To a certain extent, yes I'm answering it subjectively. I've said it in the past that I can understand why so many people love The Show but that it's not for me. Those additional features (RTTS, manage-only) are great because they'll please a wider number of consumers. The more options the better, I completely understand that.

        My main issues still remain in the core game play.
        • The "manual" fielding in The Show takes all the fun and excitement out of playing defense in a baseball game, the CPU does too much of the work for you. MVP was the first baseball game that made fielding fun and that made me enjoy fielding as much as hitting and pitching. Before MVP fielding was always a bit of a nuisance, something you had to do before you could get up and take your hacks again. It's very hard to go back to a game that doesn't provide that for various reasons, namely that I only look forward to hitting and often and I'm completely disinterested in the game half of the time I'm playing it.
        • The hitting system is something I've never cared for although I'm not crazy about it in MVP either. For some reason when I make contact in The Show I can never tell where the ball will end up. I can't tell if I'm going to drill a HR or if it's going to be a dribbler. I feel like, "Let's swing the bat and see what happens!" In MVP a majority of the time the hitting just feels right, I know where the ball is going to be hit most of the time. I can tell if I hit it on the screws or if I barely got a piece of it, for whatever reason that's not the case with The Show.
        • The one-button pitching is great for realism but that's part of my issue of not feeling in control of the game. Meter pitching has always been too easy in every game, that's not a problem unique to The Show. Here you press a button and let the CPU do the math to see where the pitch will end up, again the realism is wonderful it doesn't do much for those who want to be engaged in as much as possible.
        So if you combine those three core elements of gameplay (hitting, pitching, defense) I find that for the best/most realistic results you are hardly doing anything for two outta three. The realism is sharp but it doesn't keep my interest, I want to be involved in everything as a gamer.

        Trust me, the moment The Show addresses these issues I will be running to the store and buying a PS3. But for now the game isn't quite there, but hopefully it's next March.
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        • ehh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 28962

          #94
          Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

          Originally posted by Knight165
          Did it ever occur to YOU?
          Sure doesn't sound like it from your initial post.
          ....and your dismissal of RTTS and manage only mode kind of negate your argument that MVP is "the whole package"...doesn't it?

          M.K.
          Knight165
          I never said MVP was the whole package, I said when you compare the entire package of what each game as to offer - pretty big difference.
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          • Pared
            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
            • Feb 2003
            • 39337

            #95
            Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

            I hear what you're saying on the first two points. Fielding in MVP is probably the best thing about the game. I love the animations in The Show however so I see where the trade-off is occurring.

            Metered pitching is much better post-patch in The Show.. have you played it post patch? You can't spot your pitches anymore, something I had an issue with pre-patch. The ratings are certainly more important.

            '09 should be even better. From what I know it should be even better as some cool additions are planned.

            I think this post is a better one in explaining your views as I see your point (as I'm sure others do as well). One thing is for sure... it sure ain't MLB 2k8...
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            • Knight165
              *ll St*r
              • Feb 2003
              • 24964

              #96
              Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

              Originally posted by ehh
              I never said MVP was the whole package, I said when you compare the entire package of what each game as to offer - pretty big difference.
              Semantics. The pretty big difference is The Show has much more to offer than MVP does....and manage only mode and RTTS are the two biggest IMO.
              We can argue gameplay all night and all day....and you'll still say it's an orange and I'll say it's an apple...but it's obvious what's in there and what isn't....so please...don't try and pile on OVERLAYS(while excellently done and pretty cool) as great features. Get real on that note.
              The fact that MVP is on PC and can be modded does have me envious. To that I won't deny.....and it's fantastic work. To be able to do what the MVP modders can do in The Show would just be unbelievable.
              Just the fact that such an old game has such life and a following is a testament to the game...but the fact that you need to dismiss and knock The Show to further your love for any other baseball game besides it is laughable(to me at least).
              I voted in this thread quite some time ago...I purposely didn't reply into it because I didn't want to get into this(but I thought it would be a 2K8 vs. The Show argument).....but I knew eventually it would happen....
              ...ahhh the wonderful internet....

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              • ehh
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2003
                • 28962

                #97
                Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

                I haven't played it post patch, I'll def have to give it a try.

                Do you think it's possible to "fix" the fielding w/o completely redoing the engine from the ground up? It seems like SCEA just needs to nix that first auto-movement with each fielder that helps you get to a ball. The hitting is something I could learn to live with if the pitching and fielding are improved and from the sound of it pitching already is.

                If they make the fielding fun and step it up on the sig styles I'd say there's a strong chance I'll buy next year's version.
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                • ehh
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 28962

                  #98
                  Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

                  Originally posted by Knight165
                  but the fact that you need to dismiss and knock The Show to further your love for any other baseball game besides it is laughable(to me at least).
                  LOL, if you're comparing two games you obviously need to point out pro's and con's, sorry if you consider that "dismissing and knocking".

                  You're the one who makes posts like this...

                  How does their manage only mode factor in?:wink:
                  or their RTTS?
                  OR the most boring commentary ever in a sports game?
                  and the blandest presentation of any baseball game in recent times? Talk about BORING.
                  I'm not the one who got super-defensive and acted like a 12-year-old.
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                  • Pared
                    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 39337

                    #99
                    Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

                    Originally posted by ehh
                    I haven't played it post patch, I'll def have to give it a try.

                    Do you think it's possible to "fix" the fielding w/o completely redoing the engine from the ground up? It seems like SCEA just needs to nix that first auto-movement with each fielder that helps you get to a ball. The hitting is something I could learn to live with if the pitching and fielding are improved and from the sound of it pitching already is.

                    If they make the fielding fun and step it up on the sig styles I'd say there's a strong chance I'll buy next year's version.
                    Well, the issue is in their approach to the game. It's similar to NBA 2k... to get the game to play so smooth you have to sacrifice a tiny bit of control for the users. As great as the fielding in MVP was, there weren't many animations for basic fielding. That was always my problem with EA... as I doubt many more animations would've been added. But I'm side-tracking here...

                    I know they're trying to figure out how to not break the animation system and give more control to the user. If you've played 06 and 07, you've seen the fielder control get progressively better... the only way for the quaility of the game to stay up to par with out "sucking you in" and sacrificing control would be to add a ton of new animations. For example... when the ball is popped up... if you're in the proper spot, you player will start waving their arms to call other fielders off... but you can't run away from it... you got in position already. To make that truly user-interactive, they would have to add a drop animation... and to many different degrees: in front of, behind, to the glove side or throwing side. A lot of work that I'm not sure they can accomplish given the time frame and new features for next year.

                    I'm sure we'll see some sort of true "assisted" fielding take the place of the first movement issues you're referring to. Again, I think it's all a matter of not messing up what is there in the process.

                    Sig styles should get an overhaul but I don't know the time-frame on that.
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                    • Knight165
                      *ll St*r
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 24964

                      #100
                      Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

                      Originally posted by ehh


                      I'm not the one who got super-defensive and acted like a 12-year-old.
                      I really think you need to reread your initial post....
                      Your deflection attempt is admirable.....but WAY off base. 12 y.o?....at least 14 .....

                      M.K.
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                      • ehh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 28962

                        #101
                        Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

                        Originally posted by Knight165
                        I really think you need to reread your initial post....
                        Your deflection attempt is admirable.....but WAY off base. 12 y.o?....at least 14 .....

                        M.K.
                        Knight165
                        Sorry, I should have posted like you instead. I'll rewrite my first post in response to Heelfan, maybe this will fit the bill.

                        How does The Show's classic mode figure in? Are you able to play a season in 1956, 61, 64, 67, 78, 94, 05, 06, 07, 08? With accurate stadiums, rosters, cyberfaces, schedules, etc? Pfft, how limited The Show is. ONE season? Boring.
                        Or cyberfaces and portraits for almost every rookie and top prospect? Weak.
                        Or the least interactive gameplay ever to grace a sports title? BORING.

                        I'm glad there are some people around here who aren't fanatical about The Show and can discuss it normally. I'm done w. this topic, another clash with a Show die-hard in the books.
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                        • Knight165
                          *ll St*r
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 24964

                          #102
                          Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

                          Originally posted by ehh
                          Sorry, I should have posted like you instead. I'll rewrite my first post in response to Heelfan, maybe this will fit the bill.

                          How does The Show's classic mode figure in? Are you able to play a season in 1956, 61, 64, 67, 78, 94, 05, 06, 07, 08? With accurate stadiums, rosters, cyberfaces, schedules, etc? Pfft, how limited The Show is. ONE season? Boring.
                          Or cyberfaces and portraits for almost every rookie and top prospect? Weak.
                          Or the least interactive gameplay ever to grace a sports title? BORING.

                          I'm glad there are some people around here who aren't fanatical about The Show and can discuss it normally. I'm done w. this topic, another clash with a Show die-hard in the books.
                          Well....you got me with the seasons...that is AWESOME!....
                          the best I can do is a LEGENDS roster every year...that includes great teams of the past that you can pit against each other.

                          Cyberfaces and portraits....well I got the cyberfaces in......pretty darn good too as well as full minors and top prospects...

                          Sorry you don't feel up to the challenge of a good debate.
                          I'm just as tired of hearing it from "fanatics" as you though.:wink:

                          M.K.
                          Knight165
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                          • duke776
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 3044

                            #103
                            Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

                            Just to add my 2 cents to this thing...

                            I like MVP 2005(xbox) better than MLB 08(ps2), probably because I can make it through a 162 game season playing each game in MVP. The reason The show gets boring to me is because I can't get full minors for ps2. Now if only I was given $600(for a ps3) I'd probably play the show, but right now that's just too much for one game(I've only played baseball games the past 8 months). I like the face editor in the show, it doesn't take any photoshop skills to be able to make the faces and is really detailed. I also think that gameplay in each game is about even. I also love the amount of stances the show has, even though they're not all accurate I can almost always find a perfect one for everyone. RTTS is a big plus, and I don't play Manager only mode though so I don't know what it's like. Also, this is the only game I don't turn the commentary off in.
                            Now, in MVP I like the ability to play through 120 seasons(not sure how many the show has), it's sometimes fun to simulate a bunch of seasons to where all the current MLB and MiLB players are gone so I can play with a bunch of random people and build my own team. This game has saved me from wasting my money on some crappy 2k games through the years. Good thing I love music because these commentators are very annoying. I love the updated rosters with full minors I can download. But I'm not here to try to change people's opinions on a game, just state mine.

                            And just to add, MVP is no longer my favortie game, Power Pros now is.

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                            • bubbaman11
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 61

                              #104
                              Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

                              Baseball Stars - NES
                              WSB 98 - Saturn
                              Griffey Jr BB - SNES
                              Sportstalk Baseball - Gen
                              MVP 05

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                              • Turbo_Squish
                                Rookie
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 233

                                #105
                                Re: What is the greatest baseball videogame of alltime

                                I voted for MVP 2005. I have a PS3 and MLB 08: The Show and there's no doubt that The Show is an outstanding game. Phenomenal even. But there was just something about MVP 2005 that I liked better and I can't quite put my finger on it. It just felt better. It was pure joy to play that game. MLB Power Pros is also great fun, although the fielding is too wonky for me to rank it with MVP and The Show.

                                My top 5 would be:

                                1. MVP 2005
                                2. MLB 08: The Show
                                3. World Series Baseball 98
                                4. MLB Power Pros
                                5. Bases Loaded 2

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