My thoughts on the two baseball games

[Knight165]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

trade logic in the Show is wonky.
wayyy too many trades as well.
2k might even be considered to have too few trades.
personally, i'd rather have a smaller amount of trades being made then a bunch, with too many head scratchers.
in 2k you will not see big papi get traded to the mets, like i saw.

league leader stats are decent for both.
again subjective.
I personally like seeing a guy like Pujols not hit between 3-5 the same amount of homers every year.

heres some threads on sim stats for 2k in franchise and a trade discussion on the show forums.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...e-trading.html

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...logic-etc.html

edit: i see you said you checked some threads so i am sure you saw the ones posted, i'll give my thoughts in a bit on those two.

there were 9 trades that happened in that test franchise i am running in 2k.

a second sim saw 10 trades, with som really nice ones
including a deadline deal of Kendry Morales and Mark trumbo going from the angels to the braves in exchange for Johnny venters and kris medlen


also it was mentioned about player health history.
that was in 2k11 but this year i checked, arod got hurt two times, but i only showed the latest injury in the player card.

Since you brought it up....

How many would you say is wwaaaaay too many?

Because I have the number of trades from the MLB last year and a 10 year average from the Show.
(here is a hint....if a difference of 1 is considered waaaaayyyy......you're right ...otherwise....not so much)

M.K.
Knight165

[hitstreak13]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

Since you brought it up....

How many would you say is wwaaaaay too many?

Because I have the number of trades from the MLB last year and a 10 year average from the Show.
(here is a hint....if a difference of 1 is considered waaaaayyyy......you're right ...otherwise....not so much)

M.K.
Knight165

LOL, fair enough. I think it just seems like "too many" because so many stars get traded (and in some cases multiple times). I know the game doesn't recognize names, but I think the fact that RP are valued to high threw everything out of whack. The amount of trades that occur wouldn't seem as bad if it were, say, Erik Bedard for a C or B prospect to a contendor. I love the show, but I think lack of stats (not in game of course) has finally gotten to me.

2K is definitely an inferior game by far (IMO of course), but it does some stuff well. Looks like rehab assignments and chronic injuries work this year (small sample though).

But you are right, there are alot of trades that happen. Its just that many of them don't make the front papers.

[pistolpete]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

Since you brought it up....

How many would you say is wwaaaaay too many?

Because I have the number of trades from the MLB last year and a 10 year average from the Show.
(here is a hint....if a difference of 1 is considered waaaaayyyy......you're right ...otherwise....not so much)

M.K.
Knight165

You have to admit not all trades are considered equal. MLB playing hot potato with Albert Pujols, which has been reported numerous times, does not qualify as an average MLB trade.

Of course, neither title should point to trades as their strong point.

[Knight165]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

You have to admit not all trades are considered equal. MLB playing hot potato with Albert Pujols, which has been reported numerous times, does not qualify as an average MLB trade.

Of course, neither title should point to trades as their strong point.

If the Angels are in the running I have never seen Pujols traded.....and rarely when they are "out of it".
I've tracked the trades for seasons totaling probably 50 and I've seen Pujols traded twice maybe.
But....I'm not talking trades but number of trades....which it was stated was way too many.

I'm curious......how many MLB trades do you think happened in 2011?

M.K.
Knight165

[pistolpete]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

I'm curious......how many MLB trades do you think happened in 2011?

I would guess a gazzillion transactions take place every year in MLB. With probably 80 bazzillion being trades.

Data is data, it's up to us humanoids to interpret it. The magnitude of a trade is completely relevant. Mega-stars getting traded carries a much higher co-efficient than teams swapping minor leaguers.

[Knight165]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

I would guess a gazzillion transactions take place every year in MLB. With probably 80 bazzillion being trades.

Data is data, it's up to us humanoids to interpret it. The magnitude of a trade is completely relevant. Mega-stars getting traded carries a much higher co-efficient than teams swapping minor leaguers.

Are you saying stars don't get traded?
Are you saying ALBERT himself wasn't being tossed around in rumors last year....and if St. Louis was out of the running he wasn't possibly getting moved?

If so....then you made the right choice.
Good luck.

M.K.
Knight165

[pistolpete]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

Are you saying stars don't get traded?
Are you saying ALBERT himself wasn't being tossed around in rumors last year....and if St. Louis was out of the running he wasn't possibly getting moved?

If so....then you made the right choice.
Good luck.

M.K.
Knight165

The fact St. Louis who was out of it at the time, and was at risk of losing the best player in baseball for nothing in return didn't trade him says something.

Stars who sign mega-deals typically aren't traded multiple times within 18 months of signing that contract.

[hitstreak13]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

C'mon gentlemen. No game will EVER get the trade logic correct. I mentioned awhile ago that there was a game (can't remember) that had a slider/restriction (e.g., cannot trade a player 80 ovr or higher)

In the case of both games, its subjective. 2k does have very very little trades, which can make franchise feel dull (lack of excitement during deadline).

As far as Knights comments, I admit that there are more trades than I had originally thought. Its a shame as I worked for a damn team and failed to realize this. But I guess my gripe was a bunch of mega stars being traded.

Anyways, the only game that comes CLOSE to perfect trade logic IMO was All-Star baseball 2005. I don't know how they did it, but every guy designated for assignment, optioned, etc. was doing absolutely terrible. Conversely, teams who were in the hunt, were actually getting guys who were hot (went by stats rather than overall).

[pistolpete]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

C'mon gentlemen. No game will EVER get the trade logic correct. I mentioned awhile ago that there was a game (can't remember) that had a slider/restriction (e.g., cannot trade a player 80 ovr or higher)

In the case of both games, its subjective. 2k does have very very little trades, which can make franchise feel dull (lack of excitement during deadline).

As far as Knights comments, I admit that there are more trades than I had originally thought. Its a shame as I worked for a damn team and failed to realize this. But I guess my gripe was a bunch of mega stars being traded.

Anyways, the only game that comes CLOSE to perfect trade logic IMO was All-Star baseball 2005. I don't know how they did it, but every guy designated for assignment, optioned, etc. was doing absolutely terrible. Conversely, teams who were in the hunt, were actually getting guys who were hot (went by stats rather than overall).

You're allowed to edit cpu rosters without having to take full 30-team control. I'm not sure how much it allows you to do though.

[econoodle]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

Since you brought it up....

How many would you say is wwaaaaay too many?

Because I have the number of trades from the MLB last year and a 10 year average from the Show.
(here is a hint....if a difference of 1 is considered waaaaayyyy......you're right ...otherwise....not so much)

M.K.
Knight165

i just did a sim now.
34 trades going back as far as june 6th. then the transaction list stops.

i'll guess in the MLb average is 28.
now wayy too many i should have added that too many trades that are big and too many double dip trades, guys getting traded twice.

[jeremym480]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

I picked up 2k12 last night. I only got to play one game because I spend the majority of my time practicing pitching, but I have to say that I'm impressed. The game certainly isn't as "pretty" as The Show, but I have to say that the pitching is a blast. I can't believe that I've been sleeping on it for so long.

You're allowed to edit cpu rosters without having to take full 30-team control. I'm not sure how much it allows you to do though.

I only briefly looked at franchise, but from what I can use one team control, yet you can still make roster moves for the other 29 teams. That's a really nice feature. One thing I'm going to miss from The Show is the manual injury system. However, with all the other additions to franchise I can overlook that. If only both games would just combine all their features we would easily have the best baseball game ever made. #wishful thinking

[hitstreak13]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

I picked up 2k12 last night. I only got to play one game because I spend the majority of my time practicing pitching, but I have to say that I'm impressed. The game certainly isn't as "pretty" as The Show, but I have to say that the pitching is a blast. I can't believe that I've been sleeping on it for so long.



I only briefly looked at franchise, but from what I can use one team control, yet you can still make roster moves for the other 29 teams. That's a really nice feature. One thing I'm going to miss from The Show is the manual injury system. However, with all the other additions to franchise I can overlook that. If only both games would just combine all their features we would easily have the best baseball game ever made. #wishful thinking

Thats a good sign lol. Obviously your first impression would determine if you had buyer's remorse. I am enjoying the game. Like you said, it is not as glamorous, but it does do alot of things right. In the MLB.com pages, I even read a headline that stated a pitcher was out of the season because of elbow surgery. Incredible stuff.

Sim about 50 games in franchise and see that stats that they put up. You will like for sure

[econoodle]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

I picked up 2k12 last night. I only got to play one game because I spend the majority of my time practicing pitching, but I have to say that I'm impressed. The game certainly isn't as "pretty" as The Show, but I have to say that the pitching is a blast. I can't believe that I've been sleeping on it for so long.



I only briefly looked at franchise, but from what I can use one team control, yet you can still make roster moves for the other 29 teams. That's a really nice feature. One thing I'm going to miss from The Show is the manual injury system. However, with all the other additions to franchise I can overlook that. If only both games would just combine all their features we would easily have the best baseball game ever made. #wishful thinking

jeremy, enjoy.
if you have any franchise questions, i'll try to help as well as hitstreak12 i am sure.


knight, i check the deadline deals last year.
28
so there was a bit.

Now the Show has a ton of trades, the majority I see are head scratchers.
That can be a problem.
The yankees just traded for two starting pitchers.

Still liking the game so far, but trading, even tho they might be closer to real MLB trade amounts, still lacks because of the silliness of some of the trades.
And trust me, I TRY to rationalize them
Then again, i try to rationalize REAL trades. lolol

In any event, just my preference of the CPU making a smaller amount of trades to avoid any crazy transactions.

Now get back to work on the OSFM! Opening day is coming soooooooon.

[econoodle]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

C'mon gentlemen. No game will EVER get the trade logic correct. I mentioned awhile ago that there was a game (can't remember) that had a slider/restriction (e.g., cannot trade a player 80 ovr or higher)

In the case of both games, its subjective. 2k does have very very little trades, which can make franchise feel dull (lack of excitement during deadline).

As far as Knights comments, I admit that there are more trades than I had originally thought. Its a shame as I worked for a damn team and failed to realize this. But I guess my gripe was a bunch of mega stars being traded.

Anyways, the only game that comes CLOSE to perfect trade logic IMO was All-Star baseball 2005. I don't know how they did it, but every guy designated for assignment, optioned, etc. was doing absolutely terrible. Conversely, teams who were in the hunt, were actually getting guys who were hot (went by stats rather than overall).

you are in my head
greatest trade logic ever.
and greatest cover ever.
i STILL play it

loved the spring training stadiums
they had the REAL Yankees spring park, with true to geography, Raymond James stadium out past right field across the street.
my favorite ps2 baseball game, glitches and all.

[Knight165]

Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

i just did a sim now.
34 trades going back as far as june 6th. then the transaction list stops.

i'll guess in the MLb average is 28.
now wayy too many i should have added that too many trades that are big and too many double dip trades, guys getting traded twice.

The MLB had 42 trades last year....(involving MLB level players....forget minor league deals...it's much more)
The Show averages 43 trades..(in 10 first year sims....it drops a bit into year 2 as teams "settle in" to their "logic"(as bad as it may be))

But we're getting off on tangent....as my initial post was about way too many trades.


M.K.
Knight165