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  • Michael_Mullis
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    • Sep 2003
    • 97

    #181
    Re: My NLG Review is up.

    Let me clarify that I do agree with you on cancelling preloads in the infield. I forgot to mention that in my last post. Your Jeter analogy is a point well taken. I was thinking more of the outfield than anything else.

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    • Pared
      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
      • Feb 2003
      • 39337

      #182
      Re: My NLG Review is up.

      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
      Michael_Mullis said:
      Well, but the scenerio you just brought up is why you have a cut-off man. I've played a little baseball in HS and college and it's the cut-off man's responsibility to be on the look out for that stuff. If the runner breaks back, the cut-off man has to make a concerted effort to interrupt the ball and try to make the play. If the relay man commits to third then that's where the ball is headed. Be thankful the runner didn't stretch out to a triple. Chances are if the runner on second came that far towards third and had to double back the third baseman would also have the play.

      The other option is simply not to pre-load the relay throw. The runner will stop at second if he sees the cut-off man with the ball. Again, if he's THAT far towards third base, then he's going to get nailed whether you preload the throw or not. That's a baserunning error.

      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

      But again, you're commiting to something that should not be permanent. We're always asking for more control, and this would allow it. Your reasoning back is "that's what a cutoff man is for?" Actually a cutoff man is for more than that: they also help the ball get to it's destination faster, as well as helping offline throws.

      So you're saying that you should NOT commit to a preloaded throw? SS and 2B-men do it all the time... they're commited to making that throw to second/third/home, and the runner turns back. They can hold the throw and adjust; YOU CAN'T once you're committed. If you don't commit to that pre-loaded throw, you risk not having the ball reach its destination at its fastest possible time. How many times have you seen a SS pump on a throw to third, then get a guy at second? Or how about a throw from RF to Third... if you catch the ball with the relay man and already pre loaded a throw to third and see the runner turn back to second, you're committed to third and can't get the man out at second on the return. If you don't preload, the relay character goes into the "still" animation (MVP this happens as well, while the meter moves) and you lose some time that can make the difference in an out or safe play.

      I don't get it, you're arguing that the user should learn to play within the set scheme, when a slight addition to it can make the game that much closer to playing the real thing... Isn't that why you're enjoying this game in the first place?
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        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
        • Feb 2003
        • 39337

        #183
        Re: My NLG Review is up.

        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        Michael_Mullis said:
        Well, but the scenerio you just brought up is why you have a cut-off man. I've played a little baseball in HS and college and it's the cut-off man's responsibility to be on the look out for that stuff. If the runner breaks back, the cut-off man has to make a concerted effort to interrupt the ball and try to make the play. If the relay man commits to third then that's where the ball is headed. Be thankful the runner didn't stretch out to a triple. Chances are if the runner on second came that far towards third and had to double back the third baseman would also have the play.

        The other option is simply not to pre-load the relay throw. The runner will stop at second if he sees the cut-off man with the ball. Again, if he's THAT far towards third base, then he's going to get nailed whether you preload the throw or not. That's a baserunning error.

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

        But again, you're commiting to something that should not be permanent. We're always asking for more control, and this would allow it. Your reasoning back is "that's what a cutoff man is for?" Actually a cutoff man is for more than that: they also help the ball get to it's destination faster, as well as helping offline throws.

        So you're saying that you should NOT commit to a preloaded throw? SS and 2B-men do it all the time... they're commited to making that throw to second/third/home, and the runner turns back. They can hold the throw and adjust; YOU CAN'T once you're committed. If you don't commit to that pre-loaded throw, you risk not having the ball reach its destination at its fastest possible time. How many times have you seen a SS pump on a throw to third, then get a guy at second? Or how about a throw from RF to Third... if you catch the ball with the relay man and already pre loaded a throw to third and see the runner turn back to second, you're committed to third and can't get the man out at second on the return. If you don't preload, the relay character goes into the "still" animation (MVP this happens as well, while the meter moves) and you lose some time that can make the difference in an out or safe play.

        I don't get it, you're arguing that the user should learn to play within the set scheme, when a slight addition to it can make the game that much closer to playing the real thing... Isn't that why you're enjoying this game in the first place?
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          • Feb 2003
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          #184
          Re: My NLG Review is up.

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          Michael_Mullis said:
          Well, but the scenerio you just brought up is why you have a cut-off man. I've played a little baseball in HS and college and it's the cut-off man's responsibility to be on the look out for that stuff. If the runner breaks back, the cut-off man has to make a concerted effort to interrupt the ball and try to make the play. If the relay man commits to third then that's where the ball is headed. Be thankful the runner didn't stretch out to a triple. Chances are if the runner on second came that far towards third and had to double back the third baseman would also have the play.

          The other option is simply not to pre-load the relay throw. The runner will stop at second if he sees the cut-off man with the ball. Again, if he's THAT far towards third base, then he's going to get nailed whether you preload the throw or not. That's a baserunning error.

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          But again, you're commiting to something that should not be permanent. We're always asking for more control, and this would allow it. Your reasoning back is "that's what a cutoff man is for?" Actually a cutoff man is for more than that: they also help the ball get to it's destination faster, as well as helping offline throws.

          So you're saying that you should NOT commit to a preloaded throw? SS and 2B-men do it all the time... they're commited to making that throw to second/third/home, and the runner turns back. They can hold the throw and adjust; YOU CAN'T once you're committed. If you don't commit to that pre-loaded throw, you risk not having the ball reach its destination at its fastest possible time. How many times have you seen a SS pump on a throw to third, then get a guy at second? Or how about a throw from RF to Third... if you catch the ball with the relay man and already pre loaded a throw to third and see the runner turn back to second, you're committed to third and can't get the man out at second on the return. If you don't preload, the relay character goes into the "still" animation (MVP this happens as well, while the meter moves) and you lose some time that can make the difference in an out or safe play.

          I don't get it, you're arguing that the user should learn to play within the set scheme, when a slight addition to it can make the game that much closer to playing the real thing... Isn't that why you're enjoying this game in the first place?
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          • truckie16
            Pro
            • Mar 2004
            • 597

            #185
            Re: My NLG Review is up.

            Graphik ^^ I agree but will take it a step further and talk about the OXM review. In that review the guy says that every pitch has a floaty feel to it and that there is no way to change velocity. This is just an outright lie. There are what 3-4 pitch speed options. I think what the people on this site are saying is that this guys review is an in-depth look at the game and all it has to offer. Out of the three reviews I've read this is the most comprehensive by far. I expected more out IGN's review than two pages of "fielder cam sucks" which is basiclly all he said. As for OXM thier sports reviews and reviews in general are getting very poor as of late.

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            • truckie16
              Pro
              • Mar 2004
              • 597

              #186
              Re: My NLG Review is up.

              Graphik ^^ I agree but will take it a step further and talk about the OXM review. In that review the guy says that every pitch has a floaty feel to it and that there is no way to change velocity. This is just an outright lie. There are what 3-4 pitch speed options. I think what the people on this site are saying is that this guys review is an in-depth look at the game and all it has to offer. Out of the three reviews I've read this is the most comprehensive by far. I expected more out IGN's review than two pages of "fielder cam sucks" which is basiclly all he said. As for OXM thier sports reviews and reviews in general are getting very poor as of late.

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              • truckie16
                Pro
                • Mar 2004
                • 597

                #187
                Re: My NLG Review is up.

                Graphik ^^ I agree but will take it a step further and talk about the OXM review. In that review the guy says that every pitch has a floaty feel to it and that there is no way to change velocity. This is just an outright lie. There are what 3-4 pitch speed options. I think what the people on this site are saying is that this guys review is an in-depth look at the game and all it has to offer. Out of the three reviews I've read this is the most comprehensive by far. I expected more out IGN's review than two pages of "fielder cam sucks" which is basiclly all he said. As for OXM thier sports reviews and reviews in general are getting very poor as of late.

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                • Pared
                  Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 39337

                  #188
                  Re: My NLG Review is up.



                  To whom are you referring...?
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                  • Pared
                    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                    • Feb 2003
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                    #189
                    Re: My NLG Review is up.



                    To whom are you referring...?
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                    • Pared
                      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 39337

                      #190
                      Re: My NLG Review is up.



                      To whom are you referring...?
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                      • Ed_Farias
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 1222

                        #191
                        Re: My NLG Review is up.

                        Pared, read Michael's post right before you last one. He agreed with you

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                        • Ed_Farias
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 1222

                          #192
                          Re: My NLG Review is up.

                          Pared, read Michael's post right before you last one. He agreed with you

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                          • Ed_Farias
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 1222

                            #193
                            Re: My NLG Review is up.

                            Pared, read Michael's post right before you last one. He agreed with you

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                            • Pared
                              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 39337

                              #194
                              Re: My NLG Review is up.

                              Only on infield plays. My post later on dealt with outfield relays.
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                              • Pared
                                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                                • Feb 2003
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                                #195
                                Re: My NLG Review is up.

                                Only on infield plays. My post later on dealt with outfield relays.
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